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We were in a near fatal coach crash. Do we really want to give the keys back to the folk that nearly drove us off a cliff in the first place ? What makes us think the drivers have learned anything from the first time around ?

This is my fear also. These Rangers men have never really had to balance the books and show no desire to do so. We have the second highest wage bill in Scotland despite playing in the third division. I'd see the point if we were playing SPL standard football but that's not the case and there's nothing to suggest Ally or Walter have any intention of changing strategy (if there is one) in a footballing sense. I'm just as fearful now as last year. There appears every sign that those running the club will spend every penny that's been raised with very little progress to show for it.

Below is an extract from my latest letter to the BBC complaints director. I think he has one more right of reply then I get to take the complaint to the BBC Trust. What I need are examples of factually incorrect reports, whether online, radio or TV. Can you post any examples in thus thread. It has to be BBC reports where the report can be shown to be untrue. "Having fully considered the points made, I feel that the removal of a single sentence from one of a series of offending articles and broadcasts is not sufficient to address the issue raised. Fundamentally, the BBC has knowingly and repeatedly broadcast as fact matters it knows to have been untrue. Further there have been repeated failures at Editorial level to address this matter, when it has been brought to your attention. Indeed my experience of this process suggests a general lack of accountability and little or no evidence that the BBC has any appetite to address genuine concerns raised by its customers. Notwithstanding, I feel it would be appropriate that the BBC prominently broadcast a correction and publish the revised editorial guidance through all media used to carry the original erroneous reports. The BBC is uniquely placed as the Nation's broadcaster. I believe that with this position comes an overriding responsibility to report fairly and most of all accurately. Whether fast developing or not, whether generalist or not, I believe it is entirely reasonable to expect professional journalists and editors to ensure that all content for which they are responsible is factually accurate, appropriately worded and fair. In aspects of its reporting of the RFC plc story, I regret to say that the BBC and BBC Scotland in particular, has not met the basic standards it should have, and which licence fee payers have every right to expect. "

Letter off to my MP tonight re HMRC appeal. Will try and post reply on here too.

I am part way through the BBC complaints process and got much the same initial response as QJ. The BBC appears to be in breach of its own charter by continuing to report as fact; "new club" ; assertions that are not consistent with the evidence. This could be interpreted as bias, unfairness or factual inaccuracy all of which are included within the BBC charter. In addition I would have thought that there will be a point at which continuing to report as fact things you know to be untrue becomes actionable ?

IMO. The big tax case made the oldco unsellable. No bank would lend with a potential £50M liability hanging over us. However, the fact remains that until CW arrived, Rangers had been paying down the bank debt year on year over a number of years. Which leads me to conclude, CW is and was a spiv who stole millions from the club, then sought to cover it up by the appointment of his "prearranged" administrators Duff and Phelps. Apologies for spelling and \ or grammar. I meant IMO CW is a lying cunt.

The only thing that concerns me about MM statement is the use of the word "revenue" to describe capital raising via an IPO. I think every potential investor and fan is entitled to ask, no should ask, what the funds raised through the IPO are to be used for. The answer should be in the offer documents, so we shouldn't have too long to wait.

Tactically we are getting it wrong, especially away from home. None of our current coaches or players know what it takes to be successful in this league. IMO we should be looking for a coach who's been through the leagues and can help Ally set up the team to win in SFL3. There's no doubt we have the players, even with injuries we should be winning games like today.

[quote name='nelsonRFC82' timestamp='1349181767' post='1060499082' What is quite clear is they have fucked up in interpreting their own rules (not for the first time!) and now don't want to say anymore for fear of causing even more bother! This..... The SFA , SPL may have thrown Rangers out of the SPL and transferred their membership, all of which seems to go against what Nimmo Smith said. Whatever happened to the SFA statement within 48 hours due more than a week ago. It beggars belief that the SFA can't provide clarification of its own actions and application of its own rules. What a complete farce.

The inabilty of the SFA to issue this statement is a joke. They're fuxxed and trying to work out how they're going to somehow make it someone elses fault. Cue Ogilvie......?

Wouldn't it be just terrible luck for the SFA / SPL if at this point a "source" were to confirm the infamous "we'll strip your titles" comment made by the SPL lawyer. And this were to appear in tomorrows papers.

If one it two clubs break rank, the others will follow. And that will be the end of the SPL, Stewart Reagan, and quite likely the chairmen of the conspirator clubs. Hope this happens soon.

The commission is an SPL commission. It has no authority to examine any potential breaches of SFA rules, unless the SFA has asked it to do so. In which case it would be hard to see how the SFA could also act as appeal body. The SPL can't apply sanctions to an SFA competition, nor can the SFA apply sanctions for breaches of SPL rules. We all know its a stitch up.

For the more legal minded bears out there : 1) the alleged breach relates to SPL rules. The Scottish Cup is an SFA competition. How can the SPL apply sanctions to the Scottish Cup ? How can the SFA apply sanctions for alleged breaches of SPL (not SFA) rules ? 2). does the SFAs participation in this agreement bar them from acting as appellate body ? They have already shown themselves ready to apply sanctions (1 above). 3) The SPL are responsible for running the league only. I am not sure how they would have any jurisdiction over footballing payments made to players in respect of any other competition, (eg Europe, Cups) let alone non football discretionary loans. If correct, could this mean that the dual contracts rule is outside of the authority of the SPL in the first place ? 4) can we tell them all to f**k off and get back to the fooball ?

Anytime anyone starts this shit with me, I can usually point them towards their own club badge and ask them to explain why the date on their badge does not match the date of incorporation. This for most of them seems to be enough put them back in their obsessed little boxes. I should think exactly the same approach could be applied to lazy journos. Tbh the SFA could put an end to this shit easily if they were to issue a definitive statement....

What about the treatment of septic after they challanged the legality of the NL touchline ban, versus the treatment of Rangers after they challenged the legality of a transfer embargo. In one case, the SFA chief executive issued a statement accepting the outcome and concluding with words something like, "the football authorities are not above the law". In the other case, the SFA reached no such conclusion and chose to pursue a sanction beyond its powers and one which had previously been rejected by UEFA on the grounds of potential legal challenge.

The deal wasn't even done with Rangers. Dundee Utd asked the SPL to pay them the money, off set against money the SPL would be due to Rangers. The SPL agreed to do so. To me that means the SPL now owe Dundee Utd the money. Dundee Utd must know that's the case because they asked for it to happen ! Why they've even asked Rangers for the money is beyond me.

Both dummies. And I think we all know who has his hand up their arses operating them.

If the title to the stadium is no longer under the original land registry entry, and there are now six entries, does this mean that in effect the ground has been sold / transferred to six new owners ?

I was referring to an earlier post concerning the use of "legitimate investments" and trying to point out that other clubs might make payments to players through other means.

To explain, the Ltd company that runs the SPL is itself governed under a set of "rules" that describe the purpose, responsibilities etc that govern everything the Company does. These are the Memorandum and Articles of Association. The SPL as an organisation is therefore governed under these rules. As the Memo and Articles are created at the start of a new company, they can sometimes be overlooked when the company later makes changes to other rules. The result could be that the company either acts outside of its powers or that it does not fulfil its duties as set out in the Memo and Articles of Association. My point , are the SPL rules consistent with the rules of SPL ltd? Has the SPL fulfilled its duties as set out in the rules of SPL ltd ? The SPL may take the same approach as the SFA and make it up as they go along, but I'm pretty sure that the law of the land is that a company must act within its memo and articles.

It doesn't matter how the payment was made, or whether it is an EBT. SPL rule 9.3 prohibits any payment of any type that is not disclosed in the contract. That includes brown envelopes of cash, legitimate investments etc.

If these "legitimate business investments" fall into the category of payments of any type made to players outside of the terms of their contracts, I suspect they should be treated the same under the rules. What's your source and could you move thread to existing thread "Interesting rules in SPL articles" as this covers a similar area.

Would be interesting to check the Memo and Articles of Association for the Scottish Premier League Ltd as well. These set out the rules and duties of the company running the SPL. There could be something in there of interest. Can't find them online though. Anyone any ideas ?

Its the SPL that are investigating alleged dual contracts. The SPL board will make the decision on the punishment if we are found guilty. The SFA are the appeal body, so we can be sure of a fair hearing there too.