californiadreamin52 339 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The Rangers Supporters Trust has been in correspondence with former Rangers Chairman Alistair Johnston and he has kindly agreed that we publish a synopsis of his thoughts on a variety of salient points in order that fans can have a better appreciation of the facts.Let me explain my personal motivation here. If in any way I can spread my sentiments, which are based on a combination of knowledge of the facts, interpretation of events, and a philosophical understanding of culpability as it relates to punishment, that in some way would cause the Tribunal that is sitting to determine the destiny of Rangers heritage to pause for thought and provide more objective consideration of the case before them, then my agenda will be to a greater extent served. I just can’t sit by on the side-lines and watch a miscarriage of justice be activated by a kangaroo court. It is not my personal objective to denigrate the football institutions of Scotland, but their actions and words go a long way to influencing public opinion as to the interpretation of the events that have taken place and how members of the public frame their own opinions as a result. The whole process has been established to satisfy a self-serving agenda by vested interests in the SPL. The SFA, however, is the supreme governing body of Scottish football and should invoke its ultimate authority to forestall the inevitable inequity that will ensue if the capital punishment decision is left to the SPL. The SFA is complicit in all of this because they have not at least up until now had the courage to publicly acknowledge that they either ignored or did not really understand the well-publicized structure surrounding the relationship that Rangers FC had with certain of its players. I have been reviewing my files from around April 2011 relating to the annual routine of Rangers FC applying for and being granted a license to participate in organized football in Scotland. Because of the publicity surrounding our club at the time, the SFA wrote to us asking for more details about the public speculation concerning our financial and tax situation. The latter obviously referenced the impact of the EBT schemes as creating a potential taxation liability. The club responded accordingly and provided details, as it had done in previous years, by declaring player salaries, bonuses, benefits, etc., but also payments made to a Remuneration Trust. The SFA compliance officers must have known, both from the description and context of the reports, that such expenditures had some connection to player compensation. However, without any further investigation at the time, Rangers FC received its SFA license to compete in the 2011/2012 season. Rangers, therefore, were entitled to believe that they were not in breach of any SFA regulation requiring reporting of player compensation. If there was any question that the essence of these payments to a Remuneration Trust could have endangered the proud historical record of our team, then why was it not raised long before then. At best, the SFA is relying on inconsistent interpretation of its own rules, and to do this retrospectively is totally at odds with underlying principles of equity in the law. A lawyer representing Celtic recently was successful in having charges against that club dropped because of the inadequacy of the SFA's prescribed rules, regulations, and sanctions. The same principle should apply here. If the SFA now decide to adopt a more focused evaluation of the data they request from its members in order to be granted a license, they should ensure that the legislation upon which they rely for enforcement and the corresponding sanctions are more transparent and predictable. Let me also address the prevailing mood in certain quarters that seems determined to pile on to Rangers when they are vulnerable as confusion over the current structure and authority has allowed allegations and conjecture to trump reality as the institution of the club seems now to be a pawn where rhetoric, no matter how real or substantiated, prevails. Inflammatory and emotional words have been used and recited to justify this rush to judgment which I believe are fundamentally ill founded and out of proportion to the realities of the events that transpired. First, when the previous football commission reported on EBT’s in a very high profile statement, they took the view that if Rangers was indeed guilty of structuring EBT schemes that transgressed the law or the rules of the relevant federations, then this was “close to match fixing.” This is the headline that in my opinion prompted the determination to slay Rangers with capital punishment, which in the case of our club would retrospectively alter the records of our historical achievements of which we are all so proud. “Match fixing” has connotations that correctly relate to bribery and corruption involving players and referees, fielding players that did not meet the criteria and qualifications of the governing bodies, e.g. they were over the age limit, or they were registered to another club, or they were playing while they had been banned for previous misdemeanours, etc., etc. Rangers has never been accused of or been remotely involved in any activity that would justify the terminology that whatever transgressions they might be found guilty of perpetrating was close to “match fixing.” Secondly, and this is really important to the extent that it is a phrase that is prominent in the rhetoric of those whose objective is to crucify Rangers, and that is “financial doping.” The term as I interpret it is an attempt to relate an activity that is outlawed generally throughout the world of sport and regarded as cheating and taking undue advantage of banned stimulants and conjure up a connection with the financial mechanics of a club that has acknowledged that it in the clear light of day and very transparently embraced the use of Remuneration Trusts. Our opponents maintain, illogically, that without the use of EBT’s Rangers would have been unable to afford the quality of players that they fielded and thus gained an advantage over other clubs against which they competed. As an aside, it is interesting to recognize that there has been no complaints about Rangers fielding such players in the Champions League, the Europa League, etc., but the current accusations are being promoted not coincidentally by other members of the SPL who are now attempting to act as judge, jury and executioner against their consistently most potent rival. The reality of the situation is that Sir David Murray, who was intimately involved in the architecture of these efforts to organize the business in a way to mitigate taxation which is totally legitimate and acceptable under all tenets of the law, would have signed and paid for these very same players whether or not EBT schemes were in effect or not. The only difference being one which only has a financial consequence, i.e. it would have increased Rangers reliance on bank debt. During most of the period under investigation by the upcoming SPL Tribunal, he as well as his company enjoyed a very mutually productive relationship with the Bank of Scotland. The Rangers Board, of which I was a member, consistently believed that if and when the debt reached a level where the bank became uncomfortable, Sir David as he did in 2004 when he underwrote a subscription for Rangers shares and thus eliminated much of the bank debt, would be able and willing to repeat this recovery effort. Whether or not he ultimately would have done so is now irrelevant, but what is clear is that “financial doping” is not and could never be construed as describing a situation where a club extends its credit facilities with a recognized financial institution. The level of the debt that a club is willing to tolerate, whether you are Celtic or Manchester United, is determined by that club in conjunction with the lender. Whether the amount involved is £10 million or £600 million is irrelevant to the principle. On the other hand, I have to acknowledge that the malfeasance created by Craig Whyte when he manifestly used funds that did not belong to Rangers, i.e. taxes withheld from employees’ wage checks that rightfully should have been transmitted to HMRC, which avoided him having to invest his own money contrary to his expressed commitment to the Rangers stakeholders to do otherwise, and being either unwilling or unable (or both) to raise any credit to invest into Rangers, exposed our club as a victim of what could be loosely determined as “financial doping.” Thus, Whyte was able to pay the club’s operating expenses including player wages, but it was Rangers which suffered by being ultimately forced into liquidation. Keep in mind, which is not always clear in the molasses of misinformation that is currently circulating, Rangers went into liquidation and suffered all the penalties and sanctions of which we are now aware, solely because of Mr. Whyte’s failure to pay HMRC the withholding tax that the club collected during the short term of his disgraceful proprietorship. Finally, I would hope that the panel which has been charged with investigating Rangers' activities will draw a large circle around a universe of relevant reference points that should be considered in assessing the magnitude of the allegations made against the Club. For example, was the accepted practice of mitigating players overall tax liability utilized by several of the biggest clubs in Europe by drawing up separate contracts segregating off their image rights, which essentially denied that any compensation related thereto was a function of their obligation to play football, any different in principle than the alleged actions of Rangers FC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Fuck aj where has been hidin' while Charlie to his credit fought the good fight, aj is glory huntin' he can take a flying fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,863 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Anyone shorten that for me? Ma heids bursting if anyone can give me a simplified version Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 AJ and the trust what strange bed fellows.....considering Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 also...he speaks a lot of sense here.....Keep in mind, which is not always clear in the molasses of misinformation that is currently circulating, Rangers went into liquidation and suffered all the penalties and sanctions of which we are now aware, solely because of Mr. Whyte’s failure to pay HMRC the withholding tax that the club collected during the short term of his disgraceful proprietorship.indeed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 SURRENDER NO!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gas Man 190 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I could have said all of that in 2 words, "surrender no" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 also...he speaks a lot of sense here.....indeed except for when he says Rangers were liquidated, we know he means the company but he really should be more specific Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 except for when he says Rangers were liquidated, we know he means the company but he really should be more specificquite clear what he meant....how could a liquidated club suffer sanctions Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Regardless of the Trusts involvement that's a belter of a statement Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 So Sir David, AJ, Green, and D&P have clearly set out a case rubbishing this enquiry and we have not heard a peep from the SPL.The keep quiet and hope we get off with it school of PR ain't going to work here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ah aj, why say in 500 words what you can say in 1500 eh? Somewhere in amongst his pretentious bullshit are some good, valid and useful pointsBut he still needs to fuck off out of it along with the rest of the charlatans minions Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ah aj, why say in 500 words what you can say in 1500 eh? Somewhere in amongst his pretentious bullshit are some good, valid and useful pointsBut he still needs to fuck off out of it along with the rest of the charlatans minionsTotally agreed on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSifter 181 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I have been reviewing my files from around April 2011 relating to the annual routine of Rangers FC applying for and being granted a license to participate in organized football in Scotland. Because of the publicity surrounding our club at the time, the SFA wrote to us asking for more details about the public speculation concerning our financial and tax situation. The latter obviously referenced the impact of the EBT schemes as creating a potential taxation liability. The club responded accordingly and provided details, as it had done in previous years, by declaring player salaries, bonuses, benefits, etc., but also payments made to a Remuneration Trust. The SFA compliance officers must have known, both from the description and context of the reports, that such expenditures had some connection to player compensation. However, without any further investigation at the time, Rangers FC received its SFA license to compete in the 2011/2012 season. Rangers, therefore, were entitled to believe that they were not in breach of any SFA regulation requiring reporting of player compensation. If there was any question that the essence of these payments to a Remuneration Trust could have endangered the proud historical record of our team, then why was it not raised long before then.This is the only part that is of any relevance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Totally agreed on that. So, we are cool on rangers and Murray, not so much on independence... I can live with that haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 627 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Anyone shorten that for me? Ma heids bursting if anyone can give me a simplified versionHe is a prick!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watp_72 33 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 So Sir David, AJ, Green, and D&P have clearly set out a case rubbishing this enquiry and we have not heard a peep from the SPL.The keep quiet and hope we get off with it school of PR ain't going to work here.He should have his knighthood stripped, right before having his sticks kicked away from him and then kicked down a very large hill, leading into a cave of wild wolves, who haven't fed in days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 i have always thought AJ was good for us (I realise this will cause a backlash). However, we did seem to get our finances under control when he was here (i realise Europe helped out a lot in that regard), and he did speak out about CW, but everyone was riding the CW train at that point. and in case anyone asks, i was unsure about CW but when he was in control, i refused to believe he would screw the club. should have listened to my head in that regard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 He should have his knighthood stripped, right before having his sticks kicked away from him and then kicked down a very large hill, leading into a cave of wild wolves, who haven't fed in days.Fantasies about hurting disabled people....you seem like quite the intelligent fellow and not at all mentally damaged...keep it up.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBunny 441 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Bloody hell, that's hard to get through. Far too many long winded sentences, sentences beginning with "Because" etc. Fucking shambles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSifter 181 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ah aj, why say in 500 words what you can say in 1500 eh? Somewhere in amongst his pretentious bullshit are some good, valid and useful pointsBut he still needs to fuck off out of it along with the rest of the charlatans minionsTotally agree, did you notice Chairman Murray's gimp latched onto this thread and AJ's comments all to try and show the man who nearly destroyed Rangers isn't actually that bad?He's not a Rangers supporter, he's a David Murray fanboi with no interest in the club whatsoever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 i have always thought AJ was good for us (I realise this will cause a backlash). However, we did seem to get our finances under control when he was here (i realise Europe helped out a lot in that regard), and he did speak out about CW, but everyone was riding the CW train at that point. and in case anyone asks, i was unsure about CW but when he was in control, i refused to believe he would screw the club. should have listened to my head in that regard.While he spoke out against whyte, rightly so as it turns out, he had little to do with the finances, that was lloyds, under Fullerton, I mean you or I could have ha his job and done just as well. Looks like a good tenure on paper, in reality he had shit all to do with it, and has shown himself up a few times since Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 i have always thought AJ was good for us (I realise this will cause a backlash). However, we did seem to get our finances under control when he was here (i realise Europe helped out a lot in that regard), and he did speak out about CW, but everyone was riding the CW train at that point. and in case anyone asks, i was unsure about CW but when he was in control, i refused to believe he would screw the club. should have listened to my head in that regard.While he spoke out against whyte, rightly so as it turns out, he had little to do with the finances, that was lloyds, under Fullerton, I mean you or I could have ha his job and done just as well. Looks like a good tenure on paper, in reality he had shit all to do with it, and has shown himself up a few times since Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw69uk 123 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Totally agree, did you notice Chairman Murray's gimp latched onto this thread and AJ's comments all to try and show the man who nearly destroyed Rangers isn't actually that bad?He's not a Rangers supporter, he's a David Murray fanboi with no interest in the club whatsoever.Ah would that be my irritation token stalker? No doubt with a normal "oh sir David... Sook sook swallow" type post? Don't see them any more. Agree though, he was desperate for some succulent lambAs for aj, hopefully he and the rest can disappear one this case is done with Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watp_72 33 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Fantasies about hurting disabled people....you seem like quite the intelligent fellow and not at all mentally damaged...keep it up..That disabled person, definitely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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