Another clatties EBT excuse from the sphell

[ray 105]

THE SPL have revealed they decided not to investigate Celtic’s EBT payment to Juninho because the Brazilian didn’t receive his cash until AFTER he’d left Glasgow.

While an independent commission has been set up to study Rangers’ EBT payments, the SPL itself ruled that the Parkhead club ‘had no case to answer’ regarding Juninho’s contract in 2004.

And Record Sport can reveal the SPL believe it’s the fact Juninho wasn’t paid until after his Celtic exit – while Gers stars picked up EBTs while playing at Ibrox – that is the key

difference in the cases.

An SPL source said: “It’s a simple process of matching it up to our rule book.

“In the case of Celtic’s EBT for Juninho he wasn’t paid while he was kicking a ball for Celtic. He received payment after he’d finished playing for the club.”

Record Sport understands the reason Rangers have a case to answer is that their players were being paid via EBTs while they were still playing in the SPL.

The inquiry set up by the SPL into the EBT schemes used by Rangers between 2001 and 2010 is headed by Lord Nimmo Smith.

He has set a hearing date of November 13 with an outcome expected by November 21.

If found guilty of breaching SPL rules the Ibrox club could be stripped of league titles.

New Rangers owner Charles Green has refused to take any part in the inquiry and called it a “Mickey Mouse event”.

He insists all Rangers’ EBTs were disclosed in the oldco club’s annual accounts.

Gers fans were outraged on Wednesday when the SPL said Celtic were in the clear over Juninho while the Ibrox club were still in the dock.

Juninho received his EBT payment in 2005 and the money was declared in the club’s annual accounts – but not to the SFA or SPL.

In 2008, after becoming aware there was a potential tax liability related to EBTs, Celtic reached an agreement to pay a sum to HMRC.

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Sort of like being killed efter yir deid ?

[rayq81 231]

SPL - Fucking rancid lying cheating bastards, I hope the fucking offices burn down with the cunts still in it

[Bad Robot 21,148]

do we know if any of our players were paid after they left?

I thought getting paid after you left was all part of the EBT process?

[paisleyroad 894]

Because they say it is different does not mean it is . . . . hopefully our lawyers use this to effect.

[iang2911 423]

It does not matter, they will make it up as they go along. Either EBTs were allowed or they were not, if not then it really should not matter when the money was drawn out but when and why it was paid in, and everyone who used an EBTS to provide funds to players should be found guilty or vice versa

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

The whole point of the EBT is .....it is in the form of a loan.......................now they actually use the word pais the Brazilian........so he must have had this in a contract or side letter.............I mean who would belive a football club , without having it in writing..........more so one that back stabbed a manager while sitting discussing the job with another family member................yes they are a family club....................in car park for his job.

The thing is they paid him..not loaned the money .

[markem 7,251]

'our rule book' which we wrote yesterday.

[Gillete 1,338]

Celtic paying money to HMRC in 2008

They knew about us and were shit scared so knew if they gave HMRC a sweetener then they would come after us like the devil

Dirty scumbag bastards

[outlaw69uk 123]

THE SPL have revealed they decided not to investigate Celtic’s EBT payment to Juninho because the Brazilian didn’t receive his cash until AFTER he’d left Glasgow.

While an independent commission has been set up to study Rangers’ EBT payments, the SPL itself ruled that the Parkhead club ‘had no case to answer’ regarding Juninho’s contract in 2004.

And Record Sport can reveal the SPL believe it’s the fact Juninho wasn’t paid until after his Celtic exit – while Gers stars picked up EBTs while playing at Ibrox – that is the key

difference in the cases.

An SPL source said: “It’s a simple process of matching it up to our rule book.

“In the case of Celtic’s EBT for Juninho he wasn’t paid while he was kicking a ball for Celtic. He received payment after he’d finished playing for the club.”

Record Sport understands the reason Rangers have a case to answer is that their players were being paid via EBTs while they were still playing in the SPL.

The inquiry set up by the SPL into the EBT schemes used by Rangers between 2001 and 2010 is headed by Lord Nimmo Smith.

He has set a hearing date of November 13 with an outcome expected by November 21.

If found guilty of breaching SPL rules the Ibrox club could be stripped of league titles.

New Rangers owner Charles Green has refused to take any part in the inquiry and called it a “Mickey Mouse event”.

He insists all Rangers’ EBTs were disclosed in the oldco club’s annual accounts.

Gers fans were outraged on Wednesday when the SPL said Celtic were in the clear over Juninho while the Ibrox club were still in the dock.

Juninho received his EBT payment in 2005 and the money was declared in the club’s annual accounts – but not to the SFA or SPL.

In 2008, after becoming aware there was a potential tax liability related to EBTs, Celtic reached an agreement to pay a sum to HMRC.

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Sort of like being killed efter yir deid ?

yet this is exactly what they said about our case when it started, almost lost track of which excuse, i mean reason they are using this week

[Prince of Orange 84]

"It's a simple process of matching it up to our rule book, just give us time to write it."

[Brian Fantana 28,894]

if those bastards try to punish us for the use of a legal loophole which was the EBT scheme, then i hope Green takes them to court for being implicit in the whole thing - they signed off on the fucking accounts. Punished for doing something poefectly legal??? only in Scottish football.

Just cos they've got a fucking tarrier on the board now they think they can rewrite the rules - they can go an take a flying fuck to themselves.

[geronimoo 1,474]

You know I never really bought into this don't support the Scotland team thing but

to be honest I'm starting to have 2nd thoughts, the findings they have came to is

no more than a slap in the face to everyone of the Rangers Family, I'm not

getting hysterical here and I do realise that this is not the fault of the guys in

the team like Justin Rhodes etc etc, I want to put as little money in the pocket of

the SFA as possible and if it means turning away from the National Team then

it is something I need to consider.

The bottom line with me is Ive always been a Rangers Supporter First, National Team Supporter

second and I thought that would never change, as I said it has nothing to do with the players in

the National Team but at the end of the day the SFA is their boss and it seems they have a problem

with Rangers and that means they have a problem with the whole Rangers Family which is me, you

and everyone else associated with Rangers.

I have no problem with anyone who keeps supporting the National Team or anyone who turns their

back on them, I only put across my view and in my view while the current leadership of the

SFA etc etc are in place I will need to think long and hard about where I stand but I

really doubt I will be a Scotland Supporter until they have moved on.

I always laughed at the conspiracy nuts out there but we have to look at some facts here,

a 3 man board has been set-up, 1 of the panel is a known celtic supporter and also works

for celtic and throw into the hat 1 of his workmates just so happens to be a celtic

directors daughter and then we have Lord Nimmo who has already shown his legal

know how when he put the transfer embargo on Rangers then had to look like a fool

when he was told this was no legal, I'm not a QC or Lawyer but even I knew a

Transfer Embargo wouldn't stand up in court.

[theySTILLKNOW 80]

The excuses they give are becoming more and more ludicrous.

[Smile 26,600]

Its funny how openly corrupt they are being and yet the Media cowards seem to be ignoring it altogether.

[outlaw69uk 123]

I always laughed at the conspiracy nuts out there but we have to look at some facts here,

a 3 man board has been set-up, 1 of the panel is a known celtic supporter and also works

for celtic and throw into the hat 1 of his workmates just so happens to be a celtic

directors daughter and then we have Lord Nimmo who has already shown his legal

know how when he put the transfer embargo on Rangers then had to look like a fool

when he was told this was no legal, I'm not a QC or Lawyer but even I knew a

Transfer Embargo wouldn't stand up in court.

Thats the thing, its becoming more blatant. The thing is, some people have been going on about this for years, but you have to think, when one organisation/club is over represented across ALL governing bodies of the game, that, it stops being a "conspiracy", and, starts becoming something resembling a fact. An outsider looking in would be stunned by the state of things.

As for the SFA, one just has to look at The FA to see how a governing body SHOULD treat a club in difficulty. They help them as much as they can, as do the governing bodies in pretty much every other country, just not Scotland, and not with Rangers. Regardless of peoples politics, religious views, colour and creed, what they are doing affects every one of us, and our club. Theres a school of thought that it wont stop at football either, and given the history on the football side and where we are, it would be folly to dismiss that as "paranoia" in my view.

[iain1712 336]

I thought the whole complaint about ebt's was that they were not disclosed to the spl ?

I'm pretty sure there isn't a wage cap in this country for players, so when an ebt payed out shouldn't matter a toss.

Penn state fc have openly admitted they never told the spl about juhnino's ebt which puts them in the same boat as rangers.

looks like they're making up rules again.

[ricksen_da_best 2,034]

I forgot having 2 different contracts was ok, as long as you never took the money out the bank. SPL rule 317.

[Prince of Orange 84]

I forgot having 2 different contracts was ok, as long as you never took the money out the bank. SPL rule 18 amendment .88

Fixed

[Spectre 1,663]

I read it as " SPL chiefs searched furiously for any difference between Rangers EBT's and Juninho's in order to clear their pals of any wrongdoing"

[ray 105]

I spoke to a lawyer friend who specialises in commercial litigation a few moments ago, a straight guy who is a golfer with no interest in football.

His considered opinion on first view is that the sphell have set precedent by their non action in the juninho EBT decision, he opined that the time or place of payment is irrelevant, the fact that the EBT is admitted to and not declared and no action been deemed applicable to non declaration is precedent.

I feel better already.

[outlaw69uk 123]

I spoke to a lawyer friend who specialises in commercial litigation a few moments ago, a straight guy who is a golfer with no interest in football.

His considered opinion on first view is that the sphell have set precedent by their non action in the juninho EBT decision, he opined that the time or place of payment is irrelevant, the fact that the EBT is admitted to and not declared and no action been deemed applicable to non declaration is precedent.

I feel better already.

Thats true without a doubt. Given their inept history, they (to me) have totally shot themselves in the foot with this one... again

[Spectre 1,663]

I spoke to a lawyer friend who specialises in commercial litigation a few moments ago, a straight guy who is a golfer with no interest in football.

His considered opinion on first view is that the sphell have set precedent by their non action in the juninho EBT decision, he opined that the time or place of payment is irrelevant, the fact that the EBT is admitted to and not declared and no action been deemed applicable to non declaration is precedent.

I feel better already.

They've certainly made a decision that publicly looks like they're treating one club differently but it's going too far to say a precedent has been set. It hasn't even reached the first stage of the SPL's judicial system and it would really have to be at a higher stage to be deemed setting a precedent in the same way that in criminal law decisions if the sheriff court do not set precedent. This is more akin to the PF choosing not to prosecute having assesses all the evidence, that doesn't bind them not to prosecute in future cases that are similar. That said, the PF would look mightily dodgy were it to appear that the reason they didn't pursue a prosecution was because the accused was their best pal, but then the SPL don't seem to care how blatantly corrupt they look anymore.

[dummiesoot 16,005]

Right going by the spl reckoning junihno was not playing in the spl when payment was made. By my reckoning we dont play in the spl either anymore therefore by their own 'rules' we are safe.

[scarkev 3,540]

I don't claim to have a great grasp on the details of how an EBT works...clearly it is/was legal provided you used them correctly...

However something in this just doesn't add up to me and it's as simple as the E stands for employee....by paying juninho via this method after he left surely is a breach of the rules governing this scheme...also they didn't declare this at the time to the SFA so what's to stop lawell offering a contract to a player and then when he leaves giving him an additional payment...

I don't have any evidence to back it up but im sure there was something dodgy about the way both keans were paid...i really hope sense will prevail in the end with all this as its getting ridicioulous now and the media in this country continue to scurry about trying to offer justification for the obvious attack on us as a club...

[ray 105]

They've certainly made a decision that publicly looks like they're treating one club differently but it's going too far to say a precedent has been set. It hasn't even reached the first stage of the SPL's judicial system and it would really have to be at a higher stage to be deemed setting a precedent in the same way that in criminal law decisions if the sheriff court do not set precedent. This is more akin to the PF choosing not to prosecute having assesses all the evidence, that doesn't bind them not to prosecute in future cases that are similar. That said, the PF would look mightily dodgy were it to appear that the reason they didn't pursue a prosecution was because the accused was their best pal, but then the SPL don't seem to care how blatantly corrupt they look anymore.

I take it that is the point, juninho's never reached it and neither should ours, we are talking natural justice, it is hardly case law.