minstral 5,375 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Monday 26 Nov 2012 The great Rangers tax avoidance scheme?01.Rate thisIncome tax was introduced in the UK as a temporary measure in time of war. It’s now the foundation of civic society: to each according to his means, a fair contribution to funding the state.Income tax, therefore, is not just for little people, as the rich with their offshore tax avoidance schemes might like to suppose.Though, with the Commons public accounts committee currently enraged at the £5bn now bypassing the taxman, perhaps our well-heeled friends with offshore trusts and so forth are right – tax can be a lifestyle choice rather than a legal obligation.Thus, most reasonable people would want the taxman to investigate systems where people are receiving large sums of money and not paying up to 40 or 50 per cent income tax which all the rest of us have to find – or have it found for us at source.So it is that taxpayers would welcome the HMRC investigation of the now-liquidated former Rangers company into how it paid players and some staff who received funds/money from employee benefit trusts (EBTs). A tax avoidance scheme where wealthy footballers and also club directors received tens of millions without paying a penny in tax, seems too good to be true. It may yet be proven to be so. All reasonable people would therefore welcome the taxman examining tax avoidance on the industrial scale of Ibrox, not least as we close our libraries and cut services (in hard-hit areas like Govan) due to the alleged state of public funds. And we still cannot know finally whether the great Ibrox tax avoidance scheme was legal or not since the tax tribunal is subject to possible appeal. For now, it’s been deemed by two to one, legal on the key narrow point of law regarding what a loan is. This may change in due course should there be an appeal. If we consider HMRC’s response, it is clear that an appeal is high on the agenda, and that they rightly point out they have lost merely “this stage” of their challenge. They say: ” We are disappointed that we have lost this stage of the court process and we are considering an appeal. The decision was not unanimous and the diligence of HMRC investigators was acknowledged by the whole tribunal. HMRC is committed to tackling avoidance and it is right that we challenge the type of avoidance seen in this case.”So Sir David Murray is bang on the money when he says there is no victory here. This blog has sometimes criticised those in the past, who have been too willing to accept passively Sir David’s word. I’m delighted, therefore, to say now that everyone should heed Sir David when he says there are no winners here. You cannot win or lose due legal process until it is duly concluded. This process, with possible appeal, has clearly not yet run its course.All talk of victory is like celebrating winning the cup minutes from time when you know the other lot could score and send the whole thing to extra time. HMRC have the option to appeal and tax experts I’ve spoken to all say what is obvious: the highly unusual split decision per se provides potential for appeal. HMRC note the rare split opinion in their statement above – that’s no accident. Potential appeal grounds too exist in all the penetrating criticism of the Rangers EBT scheme; its operation and the conduct of the club in the course of this long investigation. Let us highlight just some of the central observations the tribunal made: the majority decision finds in favour of the taxman in the cases of five players (with the northern town aliases in the anonymised verdicts) over their contractual bonus paymentsa key finding is that the conduct of the appellants with regard to the investigation was obstructive: “The progress of the enquiry was protracted and chequered due to key documents being withheld or actively concealed.”Or this, for example:“Mr Red was an incredible witness. It would appear that he was obstructive in his conduct during the HMRC’s enquiry, and obscurantist in the way he gave evidence…”And there are numerous similar examples.the operation of EBTs is comprehensively criticised from Jersey to Ibrox in terms of the agreements, oversight, and passivity of trusteesthe minority opinion is in line with established legal precedent: “The dissenting opinion adopts the approach set down by the decision of the House of Lords in Ramsay in 1981. By giving regard to the intentions of the parties entering the arrangements, and in the absence of commercial reality for the loan structure, the monies received by the employees via the trust constitute earnings for income tax.”On the issue of whether or not EBT monies were declared to the football authorities according to the rules, one opinion is unequivocal: side-letters, of course, had not been registered with the football authorities, the SFA and SPL. The spirit of their rules was that the whole contract terms should be registered.Suspiciously, no evidence was led as to who decided that the benefits in terms of the side-letters should not be registered. Non-registration of side-letters was incompatible with both authorities’ policing and disciplinary powers.”This opinion will be of interest, given Lord Nimmo-Smith’s independent commission on just this issue, due to open on 29 January.It makes the current Rangers owner Charles Green’s claim that this result undermines the commission look utterly bizarre.HMRC may therefore appeal or may not. It could take a couple of months for them to decide. More widely the club liquidators BDO will be exploring these lengthy, detailed and obviously highly critical judgements in forensic detail as they go about seeking potential sources of capital for creditors from the carcass of the dead old company. BDO can look at directors’ duties and decide whether or not the directors were negligent in their handling of company funds, making gratuitous alienations and so on, with company funds. They are not bound by any HMRC concession that these EBT Loans were not sham trusts or sham loans - even were HMRC to concede this, and (subject to appeal) it is far from clear that they do.In short, Rangers play in Division 3 for one reason and one reason only: because of the financial management of the club’s directors. EBTs naturally attracted HMRC interest and thus became a major factor in rendering this great club virtually unsaleable (though far from the only factor), and contributing to its downfall.HMRC told me this morning they have 56 days to appeal. Meanwhile the wider case for legislation on these loans looks even more overwhelming as the rest of us fork out more tax in return for spending cuts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Your headline might have read, "Thomson is a wanker!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 How i wish this guy could see himself as others see him, a small petty little man who tried to make a name for himself and ended up making a clown of himself instead. Sad if it wasnt so irritating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Think its time to ignore this clown. Let's be frank. His impact is minimal. Probably not worth the space on here. Ch 4 have clearly just said, 'yea, Scottish football? Aye, right whatever you want' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Similarly to the RTC, any even slight hint of it being an 'interest' piece has turned into a one-sided, agenda-drive, partisan blog. Embarrassing for him really Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Your headline might have read, "Thomson is a wanker!"Agree with you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and True 311 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 For now, it’s been deemed by two to one, legal on the key narrow point of law regarding what a loan isseriously, whit a phannythe law is now a 'narrow point'Bitter bile as we have come to expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,205 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 There are points in that article that if true means that the SPL investigation is by no means a formality.I have been saying it since the FTTT verdict. It is not finished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Gotta love the irony of someone who publicly spread lies taking a moral stance over others.I'd like to see his tax return, to see how much tax he paid out of the wage from Channel 4 for this article. He can't be that stupid, can he? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Thats a really poor piece of prose, my man. Now go away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
South parker 28 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 The man seem's incapable of saying the case was won instead to me and many other's his inability to concede he was WRONG just show's the man is a worm. I also see on his twitter he was letting the legal team review his blog before posting it online. I think that just show's he does not care what anyone says he's been shown to be a TWAT of the highest order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 There are points in that article that if true means that the SPL investigation is by no means a formality.I have been saying it since the FTTT verdict. It is not finished.I dont think may feel its a formality. Look at John terry - by law found innocent of racism, the EFL found him guilty.If fear the same type of situation here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 768 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 my new favourite word SUE!!what other discusions with hmrc have you had on our private tax case? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Wish the former editor of the notw had ran him over Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIE8CH 296 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 if you didn,t know it was him you would think it was fill manynames that wrote this piece of trash. they must be hurting and as a side i would bet he has avoided paying his whole whack of tax at sometime in his working life. if there is a way to save you paying tax you would be in your rights to use it as all good account will tell you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedged 58 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 What's more worrying is that you can almost hear Phil 3names dictating it in his ear... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cally 2 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Think he is clutching at straws and trying to continue his affiliation with the "other side" in the hope of an appeal. But hey aren't they all trying to do that...... Poor and deluded springs to mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,205 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I dont think may feel its a formality. Look at John terry - by law found innocent of racism, the EFL found him guilty.If fear the same type of situation here.Many are of the opinion the FTTT ruling means there is no case to answer with reagrds the SPL, including McCoist, just saying IMO it only takes one of the 5 cases we lost for the SPL to find us guilty doesn't it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR1979 1,953 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Thomson and the rest have not shut up about this appeal, they don't know if HMRC are going to appeal they are just hoping they will, the same way they were all hoping we were guilty.They were wrong, now they are just clutching at straws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchy 1,200 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 It's always a good way to get a populist hearing, that is to be populist. Of course we all grate our teeth at the corruption in London politics, but that in no way points to the conclusion he makes that if this money had been collected by HMRC that it would have gone to building a library in Govan. There's just as many who would say that it would have gone to building the infrastructure of London, or nuclear weapons. Or even to pay off the redundacies of public employed workers in this current governments attack on ordinary folk.Many people also talk of the 'reputation' of present day investigative jounalists.What I have to say to that is, "No comment Mr Thomson". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1872 3,694 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Thought this was going to be about Alan Thompson merely hurting at life and the tim's low attendances but, after realising it was not when I read the first line I've gave it a miss.The tribunal is over. The decision has been made. We have won, HMRC and the scum of the planet have not. That's enough for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 107,780 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 The thick fuck jumped into bed with the wrong crowd! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
77amurai 258 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 If Thomson's agenda was really to do with his anger at the injustice of tax avoidance he would be targeting every large scale corporation that rips the pish out of us through large scale avoidance.I don't like it, I don't like that we were involved in it if I'm totally honest, but I'm not going to listen to some jumped up little twat claiming his problem with Rangers is down to tax avoidance.I have no problem with someone having the courage of their convictions and saying "I don't like you, I'm going to attempt to take you down a peg or two" but to hide behind some bullshit cloak of supposed nobility. Sickening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faircity 186 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 ..i reckon the SPL have shot themselves in the foot with this "independent tribunal"...my thoughts are they choose the so called independant route so at the end of the day they can claim it was,nt their judgment!...but the so called "independent judges"...may just be impartial.. I,m not a tax expert like the eastend potlickers but as far as i can see(and i may be wrong)...Loans are not renumeration!...and side letters are not contracts......I,m a newbie by the way and this is my first post on here ...so feel free tae rip the pish!...oh and HELLO FELLOW BEARS.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algy 32 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 This prick is trying his best to keep it in the public eye, hoping public opinion will put pressure on HMRC to appeal. He must hate us very much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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