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[Carsons Dog 9,878]

I think you are pathetic that's what I think. I think it's long overdue that FoCUS turn their attention to these forums and to the forums of opposing fans too. This was one last little hiding hole for the bigots of the world.

No the last hiding place is in faith schools and those that make the decisions on which teachers should be employed in them

[Ben10 2,271]

You can certainly use some methods to 'hide' your IP address. Given that I'm an IT Admin for a major UK university I ought to know something about these things. But none of these methods are completely foolproof and with the right tools and the right knowledge almost anyone can be found. But the interesting point I think is that making such comments in the future would at the very least require you to hide, with no guarantee that you would evade detection. However people with shameful attitudes should be made to hide I feel, until such times as the law finds other more appropriate and more direct ways to deal with them.

It is clear that you assertion that I am a 'beast' is a derivative of the term 'bheast', previously used extensively on this forum to refer in a derogative manner to anyone that certain other members suspected as being either Catholic, or Celtic supporters or both. I assure you I am neither, but I think you should take into consideration that a change in spelling may not by itself imply a change in the sematics (meaning) of your comment and may indeed be interpreted under certain circumstances as an openly sectarian insult.

I invite you to consider your comments carefully, so that you can either amend them, or take greater care in the future before you abuse other members with similar terms. I think it's time you all caught up with reality. The game in this regard is over.

You desecrate the acts of heroism this countries great men once performed in your name. Your kind disgrace the right to freedom of expression so horribly.

Want a free country for your children ? Slam the door on these people right away, the people who would evidently lock you up for using the term beast. Ignore the socialist and nationalist propaganda spewing out of this independence movement lest you risk totalitarianism coming to a place near you. Nationalism and socialism were used to describe another certain historical party.

[Getstiffed 8,863]

You desecrate the acts of heroism this countries great men once performed in your name. Your kind disgrace the right to freedom of expression so horribly.

Want a free country for your children ? Slam the door on these people right away, the people who would evidently lock you up for using the term beast. Ignore the socialist and nationalist propaganda spewing out of this independence movement lest you risk totalitarianism coming to a place near you. Nationalism and socialism were used to describe another certain historical party.

For once we agree on something.

Beware this grab for your rights. It comes under the cloak of political correctness, but its true goal is to shut down all dissension in this country.

[Ben10 2,271]

For once we agree on something.

Beware this grab for your rights. It comes under the cloak of political correctness, but its true goal is to shut down all dissension in this country.

And eliminating criticism of religion. The tentacles of the church are well and truly choking the life out of democracy. This is what they have fantasized about, having the people tiptoeing around their ridiculous holy book and hesitating to express their views on a public forum. Inhuman.

[Getstiffed 8,863]

And eliminating criticism of religion. The tentacles of the church are well and truly choking the life out of democracy. This is what they have fantasized about, having the people tiptoeing around their ridiculous holy book and hesitating to express their views on a public forum. Inhuman.

I would go one step further though and say, whilst it benefits the religious institutions, it is of far greater use to those elitists out their who just recently are all over the press and news claiming they have conquered Britain and the US via debt. There are members of parliament who are all too happy to proclaim anyone criticizing banks or banksters, should be jailed. Alarm bells should be ringing for people big time.

[King Jela 20,361]

Cover up child abuse, print lies about innocent people but for the love of God don't insult a paedophile that's the head of a religious, child abusing cult in Rome on a message board.

What a ridiculous joke this Country has become.

[Stewballsoz 17]

I guess we can say what we like and take the chance the Polis won't extradite us to Britain,Stewie Then again, they might give us a free holiday at the expense of Her Majesty....(I want a 3 day stopover in Singapore)

It's like a reverse sending convicts to Botany Bay,mate!

We can head them off at the Lapstone Hill.

On the hour we can take turns having a nippy sweetie at the Lappo Hotel. Sword and Shield, sword and shield

[Ozblue 4,331]

I've got a terrible criminal record. Max Bygraves - Deck of Cards. It was my late Mum's and it's in the loft.

I'll never forgive T.Texas Tyler for recording that song in 1948 Nor Wink Martindale for making it a hit in 1959 and Max Bygraves should have known better

[Ozblue 4,331]

We can head them off at the Lapstone Hill.

On the hour we can take turns having a nippy sweetie at the Lappo Hotel. Sword and Shield, sword and shield

Sounds like a plan to me, Stewie.

[knowledge 21]

Sorry mate but Rangers fans, in fact football fans in general, come from all walks of life with many degrees of intellect. Some Very clever some not so clever.

However freedom of speech must prevail.

I think your post is pretty condescending to be honest, even if it wasn't meant to be.

I don't think it was. I think the general level of language and invective has become poorer and poorer as time has gone past. For example when I was a laddie the fourth(?) line of "sandy in royal blue" was "the day we beat the celtic". It is now apparently "the day we f***** the celtic".

This does not in any way improve the song and if anything belittles it. Neither is it down to intellect or the lack of intellect, there's just no need for it.

[knowledge 21]

I think it riles us all.

Calling an overweight person a fat bastard, is equally as discriminatory as calling someone who claims to be religious - with catholicism being their chosen religion - a catholic bastard - yet only one of the insults is illegal.

However, we cannot change the law, we can only try and stay on the right side of it.

Think before you post.

I completely disagree with the above. If I call someone a fat/baldy/etc b, I am not discriminating against all fatties/baldies/etcs I am insulting the person standing in front of me and picking out their most notable feature to add a bit of emphasis.

I am not being fattist/baldist etc. I cannot get my head round why, if in a similar argument with a person of different religion or ethnicity, by using exactly the same insult, I am now a racist or a bigot.

If this is the case then why, for the last hundred years or whatever, have there been no arrests for fattism/baldism?

[Devlin 222]

No it isn't funny. It was never funny to start with. This measure isn't meant to be funny either. I think the point is that it's meant to be damned serious. People should learn to be responsible for what they say, or face the concequences.

The only thing that is funny is that once you take away some people's ability to throw secterian and extremely offesive abuse at each other, just how little else they have to say. But even that is just funny in a deeply disapointing and depressing way. It's funny for me because I have been the victim of exactly that kind of sustained abuse on this forum in the past, despite not even being Catholic and not caring about religion at all. From my own perspective and due to my own past personal experiences here, it seems to me that justice has been served. Now people will have no choice but to discuss things civily with each other. They couldn't do it before the law stepped in, so maybe now at last that can change.

Why does this taig get offended by the word taig when he isn't a taig, taig.

[laudrupno1 3,932]

you can politely shove your invitation up your arse

I await your proof on how me calling you a bheast is in any way sectarian. They/you are called bheats because your team actively covered up child abuse...bheast.

And " because it can be used to mean a derogatory name for catholics." isn't a valid excuse.

I will concede the use of fenian is now under attack, but i'll call you a bheast all i want.

good day to you.

Get him telt gogzy

[ElleBear 26]

Boss.. New on this site.. But thank you very much for the important information.. Thank Fuck for Mods

[TravelingWilBEARy 4,319]

Boss.. New on this site.. But thank you very much for the important information.. Thank Fuck for Mods

Well seeing you're new.

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

Boss.. New on this site.. But thank you very much for the important information.. Thank Fuck for Mods

Is it really cosy

[baxterboy 476]

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990^{[2][non-primary source needed]} that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.

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Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust," Godwin has written

aye, thanks for that.

you forgot to mention, though, that 'Godwin's Law', takes a back seat to the 'For Godsake Law' that occurs every few pages online whenever a discussion of saville fc ocurrs, and is usually represented by the factual terms - ' fenian bastards!' 'fuck the pope!' and 'big jock knew!'.

the " For Godsake Law" does not claim to articulate fallacy, it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has never been rhetorical or pedagogical: it wants folks who glibly ignore saville fc's complicity in peadophelia, and the fact that it's punters have always been the nucleus of ira terrorist support in scotland; and that the pope and the cult of catholicism continues to protect paedophile priests, to think a bit harder, for godsake, about making the bastards accountable for their filthy crimes and treason.

[Scratcher 8]

Sorry for the Necro but how could this be enforced internationally?

[Christchurch Rangers 1,229]

I've already got a criminal record so who cares

[the fixer 65]

There's a clear and obvious distinction between someone making a reasoned argument about why the catholic religion is not good for humanity versus someone posting "Fuck the Pope," for example.

firstly, let me premise this by saying that i don't envy your position as a mod regarding this issue.

if i make a reasoned argument using facts about a pope who has sheltered and protected paedophile priests who have raped and abused young boys, why can't the term "fuck the pope " be used to describe such a despicable individual?

secondly, when i use the term "fenian blood" or "fenian bastard" it is in reference to "fenians" and IRA terrorists who murder innocent children and people.

why are these terms unacceptable. "Fenian" is not synonymous with "catholic" it is synonymous with "terrorists"

If the celtic support sing the praises of "paddy's fenian army" then i have the right to express those same terrorist fenians as bastards.

thirdly, and you may have answered this question in a previous post .... Fucus have the right to get info regarding a poster, do not Rangersmedia have a responsibility to inform bears that they have given out private information concerning them - such as ip addresses to focus or other parties?

[ZZed 4,510]

Welcome to Scotland

[bluepeter 5,627]

firstly, let me premise this by saying that i don't envy your position as a mod regarding this issue.

if i make a reasoned argument using facts about a pope who has sheltered and protected paedophile priests who have raped and abused young boys, why can't the term "fuck the pope " be used to describe such a despicable individual?

Nothing is black and white, each case would be treated on its merits. By us and the courts. We don't make or enforce the laws. At the end of a reasoned argument, 'fuck the pope' has a different impact than as a stand-alone post, obviously. How would FoCus and the courts see it? I'm not sure. Fancy taking the chance so we can have a clear idea?

secondly, when i use the term "fenian blood" or "fenian bastard" it is in reference to "fenians" and IRA terrorists who murder innocent children and people.

why are these terms unacceptable. "Fenian" is not synonymous with "catholic" it is synonymous with "terrorists"

Sadly, as it stands, again you have to convince the courts of this. People have been convicted for this, and you could argue that case law shows that in Scotland 'Fenian' does indeed mean 'catholic.' I agree with you, for what it's worth. The courts may not.

If the celtic support sing the praises of "paddy's fenian army" then i have the right to express those same terrorist fenians as bastards.

It's the old 'nigger' argument - they can use it, why can't I? I hope a test case shows that 'Fenian' is acceptable to use, as I agree with your definition. Until it does, I suggest caution for your own benefit.

thirdly, and you may have answered this question in a previous post .... Fucus have the right to get info regarding a poster, do not Rangersmedia have a responsibility to inform bears that they have given out private information concerning them - such as ip addresses to focus or other parties?

RangersMedia have never given out a member's details to FoCus or anyone else. If we have been approached, we have asked the member concerned to contact them himself. If we ever found ourselves in a position where we had no option but to give out details, I hope we would have informed the poster long ago that the details had been requested, and we would let them know we were compelled to comply.

[NamibianBear 1,851]

Sadly, as it stands, again you have to convince the courts of this. People have been convicted for this, and you could argue that case law shows that in Scotland 'Fenian' does indeed mean 'catholic.' I agree with you, for what it's worth. The courts may not.

It's the old 'n***er' argument - they can use it, why can't I? I hope a test case shows that 'Fenian' is acceptable to use, as I agree with your definition. Until it does, I suggest caution for your own benefit.

http://www.oed.com/v...From=fenian#eid

http://www.oxforddic.../english/Fenian

The second entry is a bit more damning on any argument concerning the use of the word "Fenian"

QUOTE: 2 offensive (Chiefly in Northern Ireland) a derogatory term for a Catholic or Irish nationalist.

Many words, in all languages, get changed to suit environments. The word Fenian may well have its roots in terrorism but has become synonymous with Irish Catholicism, and mainly by us. I would argue that it would be incredibly difficult to prosecute someone (pleading not guilty) as the court would have to prove that you were meaning fenian in a derogatory way rather than to denounce terrorism. Just don't end any sentence containing the word "fenian" with the words "fuck the pope" and plead not guilty!

Like most courts, they rely on fear to convict quite often - plead guilty and we will fine you 100 pounds, plead not guilty and we find you guilty, its the jail for you. My suggestion would be to plead not guilty (unless you are) and ask them to prove you meant it in a derogatory way. Being up to your knees in fenian blood is a good thing if you are part of the anti-terrorist squad surely? My commanding officers certainly never wanted us to be anything but up to our knees in their blood either.

Can you say for the pope to get fucked rather than fuck the pope? Freedom of speech laws have rarely been tested anywhere in the UK.

EDIT: I see Bluepeter is allowed to use the word "n***er" but when I quote him, it stars it out. Freedom of speech being repressed on RM now?

[Davy Vandenbroucke 26,146]

So wait, if I post the word n***er on here, it will be censored?