Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 We'll still pish the league, however i hope we are learning from tonight as to what we should expect next seasonA high defensive line with two 18 wheelers in centre half wont work, pressing high is great but you need the pace to cover the gaping hole in behindSt Johnstones first was Tav sleeping and Davidson got in front of him, wallace got done on the wing for pace but that will happen, the flick from maclean was a cracker as well2nd goal we simply switched off, cracking finish but it could have been prevented, however another day that cunt puts the shot into the stand3rd goal i spoke about the high line above, john greig could have turned quicker and caught the ball first before the saints player and he's 73 ffsgoing forward we have a cracking tempo and zip the ball about well until it reaches zelalem and oduwa, my god they slow it down so much by the time they play the 5 yard pass we are facing 11 men behind the ball, oduwa has at least shown his ability to take men on, so far since arriving im struggling to see what zelalem offers that shiels doesnt,Miller is done as a starter, tired of saying it but waghorn is wasted out wide and miller is pointless up front, dunno why they have been switched given waghorn was terrorising defences through the middle earlier this season while miller was scoring from out wide and coming in at the back post, hopefully that gets changedTav isnt a right back, defensively he is really poor, could we try him at right wing, fuck knows but he switches off at right back too muchWe'll probably go and thump Morton at the weekend, but im expecting Warburton to examine tonight and see just what he needs in time for next season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,735 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The manager now knows what we need.King has to back him in the next two windows, that's crucial.3 or 4 players for our weak areas and we will be fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim beam 2,188 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It shows how far we have still to go.It was a massive wake up call for me.We will win this league but massive investment is needed in the summer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 there wont be massive financial investment in the next window, maybe even two, we dont have and wont have the money for the next yera imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick1200 2,828 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The manager now knows what we need.King has to back him in the next two windows, that's crucial.3 or 4 players for our weak areas and we will be fine.Exactly, we made 3 errors and got punished. Their wasn't a big difference in quality, they were just better organised. Our players just haven't got the experience and this will be a learning curve. We are still a very young, new team. A defensive midfielder is a must. On another night, oduwa scores and so does waggy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick1200 2,828 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 there wont be massive financial investment in the next window, maybe even two, we dont have and wont have the money for the next yera imoThe investment will be a test for our chairman. If he doesn't, he will face questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor_Chang 1,055 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 We are not pish. We have a good players who we can add to when we we go up. oderingham, Tarv, Wallace(even though he had a mare), Holt, McKay. Decent squad players in Halliday, Waghorn, Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 They couldn't play like that 4 times a season against us. Even without us getting in better players.No need to panic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,735 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 there wont be massive financial investment in the next window, maybe even two, we dont have and wont have the money for the next yera imoDon't think King can allow that to happen mate.He made a promise and warburton doesn't seem like the guy to mess about with. He will invest simply because if he doesn't he will be chased Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Exactly, we made 3 errors and got punished. Their wasn't a big difference in quality, they were just better organised. Our players just haven't got the experience and this will be a learning curve. We are still a very young, new team.A defensive midfielder is a must.On another night, oduwa scores and so does waggy.it wasnt 3 errors though tbffoderingham made a cracking save before the first, maclean missed from under the bar at 1-0, and after the 3rd st johnstone chucked it as they had pretty much won the gamenothing knee jerk from me here, just a few observations that have been niggling at me all season, id defo drop zelalem next game and start Law (shudders) as his fear of being thumped means he moves the ball quicker keeping up the tempowe were tearing teams apart earlier in the season by playing nice 1 touch football, suddenly the likes of zelalem and oduwa want 400 touches between them while everycunt has a cuppa waiting on them doing something, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,805 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 "Waghorn terrorising defences"He's been piss poor as main striker..Says a lot about our squad when Tavernier is our most dangerous attacker and best finisher.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Don't think King can allow that to happen mate.He made a promise and warburton doesn't seem like the guy to mess about with. He will invest simply because if he doesn't he will be chasedhe wont be chased, too many will back him, and the fact remains we are just under 10 mill in debt and losing money this season, next window we wont have had a share issue and just given the 3 bears back 1.5mill maybe more, by summertime we'll need ST money to pay the billsking wont dump money in, no one will Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Exactly, we made 3 errors and got punished. Their wasn't a big difference in quality, they were just better organised. Our players just haven't got the experience and this will be a learning curve. We are still a very young, new team. A defensive midfielder is a must. On another night, oduwa scores and so does waggy. Not much difference from the Motherwell game .Very similar ..Not convinced about our central defence if that's what you can call it .We have to get this right and it's clearly not Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 "Waghorn terrorising defences"He's been piss poor as main striker..Says a lot about our squad when Tavernier is our most dangerous attacker and best finisher..he was when played through the middle, we were battering teams by 4 and 5 with miller wide and waghorn in the middle, now they have switched we struggled to create anything Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,805 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 he was when played through the middle, we were battering teams by 4 and 5 with miller wide and waghorn in the middle, now they have switched we struggled to create anythingHe was terrible against Raith and Livingston and never looks like scoring unless it's a penalty.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,194 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Sorry but I completely wholeheartedly disagree about Zelalem. Oduwa we're agreed on as well as the centre halves. We were bullied out there tonight. It's obvious why Warburton wanted Eustace so badly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,735 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 he wont be chased, too many will back him, and the fact remains we are just under 10 mill in debt and losing money this season, next window we wont have had a share issue and just given the 3 bears back 1.5mill maybe more, by summertime we'll need ST money to pay the billsking wont dump money in, no one willI honestly can't see folk backing him if he doesn't invest Jim.He told us he had money and it would be invested, he can't hide from that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 I honestly can't see folk backing him if he doesn't invest Jim.He told us he had money and it would be invested, he can't hide from that.he hasnt kept a promise yet and still has loads of cunts willing to lick the shite off the bottom of his shoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 As a fanbase we were overdue it. We are 6 months into a rebuilding project which is all encompassing, the levels of delusion can be bewildering at times, it's disappointing of course it is, however the priority is the league with hopefully 5 or 6 players capable of making the step up. We will then strengthen again.This isn't a set back...it's a reality check.Some of those turning on our players after one defeat is as predictable as it is sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,735 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 he hasnt kept a promise yet and still has loads of cunts willing to lick the shite off the bottom of his shoeHe did bring in warburton and weir. Got players like Halliday, Tav, Waghorn and others in plus a couple of exciting loans.We have started the season like a dog out the traps, tonight is the first wobble really and it showed we need King to come good.He has earned time in some folks books because everything so far has been hugely positive, I don't like the guy and I think he's a snake BUT he has changed things for the better and I'm willing to believe he will come good on his promise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,194 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 People surely cannot be tearing into Waghorn... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,201 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 We lose tonight and lots of folk are having a go at MW or the team.If you thought we would win every game this season then you're deluded.Cup runs are good, but our priority is promotion, nothing less.This is the team has been together for 3 months and it's the team to get us out of the Championship, nothing else.Folk are all for making changes left, right and centre, but this won't be the team when we're in the Premier League. 12 games - 11 wins - 1 defeat, not exactly excellence, but bloody close to it.Come on guys, accept tonight and do what we do best, cheer on the world's most successful team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 He was terrible against Raith and Livingston and never looks like scoring unless it's a penalty..Aye right you are...goal from open play against Livi and then a 30yarder against Dumbarton...never looks like scoring ever outside of a penalty kick... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,506 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Some of those turning on our players after one defeat is as predictable as it is sad.i hope that isnt directed at me, im no way near turning on our players, im simply offering an opinion as to why we have stalled from the start of the seasonwe cuffed hibs away with a midfield 3 of law, halliday and holt, with mckay (i understand him being rested tonight, however id play him every minute of every game) out wide with templeton other side (replaced by miller) and waghorn through the middlesince then we have included oduwa, zelalem and moved waghorn wide right and put miller though the middle, laboured against livi, laboured against dumbarton and didnt really create much tonight except in the latter stages of the 2nd half Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 i hope that isnt directed at me, im no way near turning on our players, im simply offering an opinion as to why we have stalled from the start of the seasonwe cuffed hibs away with a midfield 3 of law, halliday and holt, with mckay (i understand him being rested tonight, however id play him every minute of every game) out wide with templeton other side (replaced by miller) and waghorn through the middlesince then we have included oduwa, zelalem and moved waghorn wide right and put miller though the middle, laboured against livi, laboured against dumbarton and didnt really create much tonight except in the latter stages of the 2nd halfNot at all mate, there was a few threads, I've seen quite a bit of abuse just chose yours to make my point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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