one55 1,510 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 If Warburton is happy with him then that's good enough for me.Welcome to Rangers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillete 1,338 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Scouts go and give opinion on players when they hand in their reports They aren't the ones who decide whether to buy them.The manager and director of football these days are the guys deciding.He could hand in 100 reports on players and maybe 10% of them would be a success Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No scouting system -'Disgrass''We are a shambles''WHY DON'T WE HAVE ANY FUCKING SCOUTS! :mad:'Make moves to appoint scouts -'SHITE''He's no discovered anybody''I'm pyoor ragging'RM Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,686 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My bad. Interesting to see someone prove it's not fact...Sinama Pongolle stood out for me.Turned out to be a decent player in Spain though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,606 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 What school did he go to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor_Chang 1,055 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Nice to see folk writing him off allready. How about wee how he gets on. A scouting system in place has been needed for a decade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Is this official? Where's the story? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The first thing I google him for and it's a story about him being done for fraud! He got found not guilty though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Good positive move that sees an appointment that Mark Warburton will have had a say in.Should mean that the two are on the same wavelength which can only be good, ie. FMcP will already know the type of player MW likes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,776 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Beside a small snippet in The Sun is there actually any weight behind this?It just seems a bid odd that McParland would leave a job he only took up a few months ago, at a club who are among the favourites to go up, to take a lesser role with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Unless he does both roles?I couldn't possibly imagine he'd work as Sporting Director at Burnley while combining the role with Chief Scout/Head of Recruitment at Rangers. I know there's many scouts work freelance but I think his current role at Burnley and the one he's apparently taking here are too hands on to be part time/freelance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My bad. Interesting to see someone prove it's not fact...Sinama Pongolle stood out for me.He was signed at 16. He went on to have a good career in football after Liverpool. Played with teams like Atletico Madrid and Sporting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tontospal 1,116 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 As with any new player or manager they can only be, and should only be, judged on what they deliver after a reasonable period.What he has done before does not predict whether he will be a success or not with us.Can only give the guy time and wish him good luck.There is no negatives to now getting a scouting network in place. If he doesn't work out he gets replaced.Another area where that impostor short changed the club and the fans. He could have set up a scouting network but was happy to use his pals and blame the club's situation for his inactivity in this area. If he cared as much as we do about the club's future he would have made it happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Spot on I reckon.However, we have every right to be positive about the steps taken to, finally, rebuild our club.Exactly how much input do you reckon scouts have at clubs like Liverpool... or even most premier league clubs? They will buy the finished product most of the time, which leaves very little for the scouts, really. Its FM style recruiting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Exactly how much input do you reckon scouts have at clubs like Liverpool... or even most premier league clubs? They will buy the finished product most of the time, which leaves very little for the scouts, really. Its FM style recruiting.At Liverpool in particular its a lot. The manager doesn't have responsibility for transfers and it was left to a transfer committee (this may have changed under Klopp). I'm sure the Chief Scout was one of the people in this committee. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 At Liverpool in particular its a lot. The manager doesn't have responsibility for transfers and it was left to a transfer committee (this may have changed under Klopp). I'm sure the Chief Scout was one of the people in this committee.My point sstill stands.. they recruit the finished article most of the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My point sstill stands.. they recruit the finished article most of the time.But a decision needs to be made on which players suit what's needed. There's more to scouting players than just going and watching them play a couple times. When Man U signed Chicharito they had a scout live in Mexico for a few months getting all sorts of reports on his background and things like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 But a decision needs to be made on which players suit what's needed. There's more to scouting players than just going and watching them play a couple times. When Man U signed Chicharito they had a scout live in Mexico for a few months getting all sorts of reports on his background and things like that.Yes, I know that, but, the point the other poster was making, was that he hadnt found any talent, and used Pongolle (who had a good career) as an example. My point was, that "talent" rarely gets a chance at clubs like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Yes, I know that, but, the point the other poster was making, was that he hadnt found any talent, and used Pongolle (who had a good career) as an example. My point was, that "talent" rarely gets a chance at clubs like that.The point I made was his 4 year spell as Chief Scout at Liverpool was nothing special. I never said he didn't find "any talent". More an observation, than a criticism. I'm not responsible for peoples personal perceptions of what point I am or aren't making.As for Pongolle, if you rate him that's fine. I don't. It's a game of opinions after all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,531 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 "Gardening leave". Mmmm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The point I made was his 4 year spell as Chief Scout at Liverpool was nothing special. I never said he didn't find "any talent". More an observation, than a criticism. I'm not responsible for peoples personal perceptions of what point I am or aren't making.As for Pongolle, if you rate him that's fine. I don't. It's a game of opinions after all.I assume you dont watch Atletico, then. I do.How do you know he was "nothing special" at Liverpool? As I said.. Marquee signings are what steal headlines, and scouts tend to get noticed when they work for teams with lesser resources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I assume you dont watch Atletico, then. I do.How do you know he was "nothing special" at Liverpool? As I said.. Marquee signings are what steal headlines, and scouts tend to get noticed when they work for teams with lesser resources.I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You think he's had a good career. Fair enough. Some could say Nicklas Bendtner has had a good career too. Played for Arsenal, Juventus and Wolfsburg and an internationalist. I don't rate him either.I looked through LFC signings between 2004-2007. Not just the 'marquee' ones, which I agree aren't really representative of his abilities for the role. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You think he's had a good career. Fair enough. Some could say Nikolas Bendtner has had a good career too. Played for Arsenal, Juventus and Wolfsburg and an internationalist. I don't rate him either.I looked through LFC signings between 2004-2007.My point is.. its very difficult for you and I to judge him as a scout based on his time with Liverpool. How do you, for instance, rate the Man City scouts?To say that someone like Bendtner is NOT a good player is a bit naive. Of course he is.. otherwise he would not be playing at the top level. You dont play for teams like Sporting or Atletico if you are not a good player. Everything is relative, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson1872 2,923 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Would be a great appointment, think of the players Brentford signed at reasonable prices and have performed well in a league much better than the premiership never mind championship. Gray being the prime example, 8m from a 500k player Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My point is.. its very difficult for you and I to judge him as a scout based on his time with Liverpool. How do you, for instance, rate the Man City scouts?To say that someone like Bendtner is NOT a good player is a bit naive. Of course he is.. otherwise he would not be playing at the top level. You dont play for teams like Sporting or Atletico if you are not a good player. Everything is relative, of course.My opinion on man city scouts seems irrelevant. Unless we are potentially adding one to our wage list.Naive is you implying players at that level can't be criticised. They can, and I will if that's my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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