Jonok 1,245 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36025815 Former Rangers manager Walter Smith believes a sense of bitterness about the way the club was treated remains as they gear up for Premiership football. Smith maintains there was "no reason" for Rangers to have to re-enter the league in the lowest tier. "It'll be a motivation for Rangers. It would certainly be a motivation for me," said Smith. He also believes the Ibrox board "have to find a way" to back manager Mark Warburton to compete in the top flight. With the club mired in debt, Rangers entered administration and then liquidation in 2012 and had to re-enter the Scottish football pyramid in the fourth tier. Smith feels Sunday's Scottish Cup semi-final against Celtic will not be an accurate gauge of how Rangers will fare next season and accepts Celtic are "the favoured team". However, the former Rangers boss believes Warburton's men go into the tie in a "far more optimistic frame of mind than last season". More to follow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
only14me 381 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 "Mired in debt" FFS, take away the BTC and we had a debt which was more than manageable for a Club our size and much less than many other clubs with a similar staffing level. The chunts can't help themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry739 267 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jonok said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36025815 Former Rangers manager Walter Smith believes a sense of bitterness about the way the club was treated remains as they gear up for Premiership football. Smith maintains there was "no reason" for Rangers to have to re-enter the league in the lowest tier. "It'll be a motivation for Rangers. It would certainly be a motivation for me," said Smith. He also believes the Ibrox board "have to find a way" to back manager Mark Warburton to compete in the top flight. With the club mired in debt, Rangers entered administration and then liquidation in 2012 and had to re-enter the Scottish football pyramid in the fourth tier. Smith feels Sunday's Scottish Cup semi-final against Celtic will not be an accurate gauge of how Rangers will fare next season and accepts Celtic are "the favoured team". However, the former Rangers boss believes Warburton's men go into the tie in a "far more optimistic frame of mind than last season". More to follow. See the BBC are still sniping!!! BBc = Bitter Biased C****!!!! Never Forgive Never Forget Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNightInFlorence 696 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, terry739 said: See the BBC are still sniping!!! BBc = Bitter Biased C****!!!! Never Forgive Never Forget Liquidation did happen to the old company though?.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, only14me said: "Mired in debt" FFS, take away the BTC and we had a debt which was more than manageable for a Club our size and much less than many other clubs with a similar staffing level. The chunts can't help themselves. Take away the BTC and we were solvent. End of story. A crime was literally committed against us and a lot of us have been saying this for 4 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 18,221 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Jonok said: "It'll be a motivation for Rangers. It would certainly be a motivation for me," said Smith. Honestly believe MW when he says it just another game for him. Actually wish Sir Walter was in the dressing room for this one. Really cannot see this team getting "Battle Fever On" apart from AH,KM and Captain LW. We will back them all the way win,lose or draw and extra time and even penalties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'm going to disagree with Smith on this. Previous "punishments" to Livi and Gretna saw both sides demoted to Division Three. If we weren't going to be in the top flight it had to be the bottom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry739 267 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, ThatNightInFlorence said: Liquidation did happen to the old company though?.... Yes....the company....Not Rangers....that's the Club!!! Never Forgive Never Forget Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy 1,308 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Walter Smith is right, dropping four divisions was all out of proportion. I mean Juventus were dropped only one tier for match fixing! It was all to do with the separation of SPL and SFL, if they had been one body, as they are today, Rangers may well have started one league lower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonok 1,245 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: I'm going to disagree with Smith on this. Previous "punishments" to Livi and Gretna saw both sides demoted to Division Three. If we weren't going to be in the top flight it had to be the bottom. The difference for me is the police inquiry into the takeover and subsequent admin event. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,604 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 IIRC didn't we all want to go down to Div 3? They wanted us in Div 1 so they could hit us with sanctions,transfer embargoes the lot. Effectively crippling us to allow the tarriers a free run at everything,which they would have still made a complete arse of Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Shuggy said: Walter Smith is right, dropping four divisions was all out of proportion. I mean Juventus were dropped only one tier for match fixing! It was all to do with the separation of SPL and SFL, if they had been one body, as they are today, Rangers may well have started one league lower. Not a chance , when all the tarriers involved in all the other clubs seen the chance to stick the knife in they grabbed it. It would never have happened to the biggest club in any of the other Euro countries , there was a bigoted catholic agenda thats how it happened nothing else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: I'm going to disagree with Smith on this. Previous "punishments" to Livi and Gretna saw both sides demoted to Division Three. If we weren't going to be in the top flight it had to be the bottom. Jesus Dude .Can you not give it a rest for just one day ?? Do you ever agree with anyone Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, Jonok said: The difference for me is the police inquiry into the takeover and subsequent admin event. Nevermind that shit, the fucken BDO said we were due nearly 30 million quid from various sources. Out debt minus the BTC was far less than 30 million. Then take into consideration the crooked cunts at the club for 3 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jonok said: The difference for me is the police inquiry into the takeover and subsequent admin event. That's a fair point although, Iirc, at the time there was no police investigation ongoing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Shuggy said: Walter Smith is right, dropping four divisions was all out of proportion. I mean Juventus were dropped only one tier for match fixing! It was all to do with the separation of SPL and SFL, if they had been one body, as they are today, Rangers may well have started one league lower. No chance .If it were what we have today .We wouldn't be in the leagues is my guess .It was the Sfl that backed us . They have now been conveniently eaten up . Now we just have the cabal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 smith is wrong, we should have dropped more than 4 divisions, we should have told the sfa to feck off and sought to join the lowest English league. failing that we should have announced a season of friendlies and filled our stadia for each match no RFC meant no tv deal which meant the whole of Scottish football going down the pan we should have called their bluff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, eejay the dj said: Jesus Dude .Can you not give it a rest for just one day ?? Do you ever agree with anyone I agree with people all the time. I just don't feel the need to post my agreement with something. At the time both Livi and Gretna were demoted to D3 for breaching insolvency rules (neither club's parent company had entered liquidation at the time). It was demotion which killed off Gretna after the administrators pulled the plug. We're we expecting preferential treatment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: IIRC didn't we all want to go down to Div 3? They wanted us in Div 1 so they could hit us with sanctions,transfer embargoes the lot. Effectively crippling us to allow the tarriers a free run at everything,which they would have still made a complete arse of Not all of us did... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,227 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Good words from Walter and good words from Souness today saying "they" were the losers by losing their fans and best players. Even though its a bit late id still like to see some big Rangers names come out with this kind of talk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, thehost said: smith is wrong, we should have dropped more than 4 divisions, we should have told the sfa to feck off and sought to join the lowest English league. failing that we should have announced a season of friendlies and filled our stadia for each match no RFC meant no tv deal which meant the whole of Scottish football going down the pan we should have called their bluff Without a league membership we'd have been unable to play friendlies. We should have made moves towards England, even if to force others hand, and some said such at the time only to be shot down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, The Dude said: I agree with people all the time. I just don't feel the need to post my agreement with something. At the time both Livi and Gretna were demoted to D3 for breaching insolvency rules (neither club's parent company had entered liquidation at the time). It was demotion which killed off Gretna after the administrators pulled the plug. We're we expecting preferential treatment? Fuck off , you are getting worse on here , fuckin joke stuff you are just takin the piss on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, sassaaaa said: Fuck off , you are getting worse on here , fuckin joke stuff you are just takin the piss on here So what part is wrong? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1204561/Rescued-Livingston-demoted-division-breach-insolvency-rules.html http://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/may/29/gretna Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, The Dude said: So what part is wrong? You are at the wind up every day on here , do one ya prick you are on the wrong forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
there'sonlyoneamoruso 1,724 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, ThatNightInFlorence said: Liquidation did happen to the old company though?.... Oldco entered liquidation, a state that it is still in at this moment. So liquidation is still ongoing due to the various criminal proceedings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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