Warburtons style of play

[daverfc13 175]

32 minutes ago, bornabear said:

Before I start, I'm not having a go at you mate, but you've got it all back to front.

Our style of play is nice on the eye and entertaining, so there's not that much to change. Yes, players have off days, but that's why we use subs.

On the other hand, whoever we play don't give us a decent game, they sit back, waiting for a breakaway and hope. Any team can play that way, because they can't play our way.

So instead of apportioning any blame, ALL the other teams are the ones where the blame lies. 

You seriously blaming other teams  for the games were we've not been at the races

[WCPRANGERS1 2,997]

NINETEEN league games we won out of 36 last season....take a minute to let that sink in....

[bennyali 248]

Imagine this season if we had a fast central defender. That would have cut down the number of goals scored against us. 

Imagine if this season we had a specialist defensive mid. That would have shut down the chances created against us and result in more attacks by us.

Imagine if this season we had a creative central attacking midfielder. That would have increased the number of opportunities we would have had  to score. 

[AlBear. 8,499]

We, as fans, have to accept that our style under Warburton will mean we lose or draw games that we 'should' win. Even the best at utilising this style, with the best players money can buy, can't attain perfection with it.

Our style is about possession and dominating games, as MW sees that as the best chance of optimising success. In that respect we have been perfect, I can't think of a game we haven't dominated this season.

The only issue with being so stubborn about our way of playing is we become predictable. That's not a criticism of our style it's just a fact.

Yes, better players will improve our chances of breaking down resolute opponents but we'll still have games where we can't break through and may even be caught on the counter. It's not a perfect system, no system is, but we have been a revelation this season.

I said at the start of the season, whatever happens it'll be exciting, and MW has given us that excitement. While personally thinking in big games we should be able to adjust, in all honesty I can have no complaints about our style.

[STEPPS BOY 73,805]

8 minutes ago, AlBear85 said:

We, as fans, have to accept that our style under Warburton will mean we lose or draw games that we 'should' win. Even the best at utilising this style, with the best players money can buy, can't attain perfection with it.

Our style is about possession and dominating games, as MW sees that as the best chance of optimising success. In that respect we have been perfect, I can't think of a game we haven't dominated this season.

The only issue with being so stubborn about our way of playing is we become predictable. That's not a criticism of our style it's just a fact.

Yes, better players will improve our chances of breaking down resolute opponents but we'll still have games where we can't break through and may even be caught on the counter. It's not a perfect system, no system is, but we have been a revelation this season.

I said at the start of the season, whatever happens it'll be exciting, and MW has given us that excitement. While personally thinking in big games we should be able to adjust, in all honesty I can have no complaints about our style.

Agree with this.

 

Absolutely no excuse for our defending from set-pieces though..

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

The way we play has to be played at a high tempo with precise passing. 

If any of those 2 drop off we struggle, so the answer is simple don't let them drop off. 

[siddiqi_drinker 14,635]

2 hours ago, Smile said:

It's not the scoring that worries me most it's the defending.

TBH if he had said defending, you'd have said we don't score enough goals.  It's in yer DNA.

[Smile 26,600]

33 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

TBH if he had said defending, you'd have said we don't score enough goals.  It's in yer DNA.

Why would i say that when the defence is clearly the Problem. You seem to love to fail when second guessing people.

[K.A.I 36,183]

I love Warburton's style of play. It's a breath of fresh air (last 3 games apart)

I'll be honest (tin hat on) - I don't think the likes of Miller, Holt, Halliday, Wilson etc are actually great players but when played in a Warburton formation with the right footballing ethos, playing the game the right way etc you really notice the difference.

I've waited a long time for our team to play this way. I don't want it to change. Ever.

[Blackandra 732]

I think alot of fans forget about the last few years. Remeber the Mcdowell games.....?

We're a work in progress and I don't think we can be judged on the last couple of games considering there's nothing to play for. When we win the Scottish Cup all will be forgiven. We also need to remeber this is a new squad in our first season. Be honest, if u had been asked at the start of the season to have won the league, Petrofac and in the cup final, I'm sure not many fans would be disappointed 

[scottyscott1963 18,222]

We have beat 3 teams from the top league already this season. One are about to win 5 iar(although there was no credible opposition and most teams are slow and thick) one of them got an absolute thumping 4-0 from us and the other could not beat us over 2 legs, Honestly have not seen anyhing to be frightened to play our attacking style against. We will be upgrading and the rest are standing still.  

[tannerall 25,935]

Again I'll say you need to look at this from two perspectives.

1) Will it bring success ?    Answer so far:  Yes

2) As a football fan are you happy to see the game played in style and sophistication, true football entertainment in the tradition of the likes of Ajax of the 70s and Barcelona in more recent times, and could you have imagined our club playing such a high standard of entertaining football at any time in the last 10 years, 5 years, Ally years ? 

As a Gers fan, I truly hope and actually believe it will take us to a new level of achievement, unseen in Scottish football.

As a football fan i quite simply think it is fucking glorious the way we play and express ourselves now on the football park.

[Prso's headband 35,348]

Heard it all now Possession football going out of fashion are you joking? Barca have built a dynasty on possession football and are continuing to do so. 

Leicster are a one season wonder everyone knows that. Good luck to them theyve done well and sussed out the prem. The difference with us is teams have sussed us out and weve stepped it up a gear in our most important games this season. 

Bar Tuesday there has not been one game where we haven't looked like scoring all season, I've been to all bar one, not once have I stood or sat there and thought na it's not going to happen today, that's the kinda confidence this team gives everyone. Even when we went 3 down to St J I always thought we'd come back into it. 

[Big Al 55 9,241]

That's the style like it or lump it take it or leave it, the standard of player will hopefully improve imo the style should remain the same forever, from coach to coach, it should be about an ongoing philosophy not one manager.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,604]

6 hours ago, pcbear said:

Before this season I thought football was going out of fashion, behave ffs its a job in progress and the improvement to the previous seasons are off the scale.

The first game of the season set the precedent. Sure we've drew and been beat already this year,but fuck the police  

[ForeverBlue1872 463]

6 hours ago, daverfc13 said:

Sometimes you just need to get the ball in the box, I'm not saying Sam Allardyce style but from when we hit the byline, swing it in, don't check back and and play a pass to the middle of the park, and corners need to be swung in from time to time, we get over 10 corners from most games, we should be putting these in to the box instead of the short option

 

No, we don't, we don't have the players to simply 'just put it in the box' it's silliness. The possession game is tactically better when you don't have a height advantage. What is the odds of a 6 foot-plus, defender clearing the ball?

 

[Misteral 2,932]

We look forward to games now knowing we are going to see a decent brand of football which has been mostly successful i terms of results. And we have scored some great goals and seen a lot of really enjoyable performances. Better players will make it even more enjoyable and even more successful. Long may it continue.  

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

A big believer in his style of play, but some of the players are not up to it and then there's that defence. A better quality player  in the summer will sort it.

[ForeverBlue1872 463]

25 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

A big believer in his style of play, but some of the players are not up to it and then there's that defence. A better quality player  in the summer will sort it.

What players aren't 'up for it', then?

[giffnockger 4,840]

After seeing big Oduwa taking the absolute cunt things will never be the same, pure disrespect to the Sfa and Scottish football as a whole

[William McBeath 2,154]

6 hours ago, Sasa Papac's War Flashbac. said:

There is nothing wrong with our style of play.

We finish the vast majority of games with 60% plus possession, with double figures in attempts on goals pretty much every game. We have almost never not looked like scoring this season. It's been a consistent trait of this team that we can score at any time from the first minute to the ninety first. 

Teams set up against us to frustrate, five man defences and six man midfields. It sometimes works, as the past few games have shown, but the majority of games we find a way through. That's why we've walked the league and are in the Scottish Cup Final. 

Next season, with a bit more quality added to the squad will see us able to break down these teams a lot easier. 

To to say possession football is going out of a fashion is mental.  The two best teams in Europe, Bayern and Barca, play the game this way. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us. 

Bang on bud

European teams have been miles ahead of British ones for decades because of possession football. The English have improved their game tremendously by buying in foreign methods and technique. We tried the same under Advocaat and we were close to being good enough to land the champions league. Watch our match away to Bayern if you don't believe me. But it takes more than that to change a nations entire football philosophy. You need to be able to fund foreign players, coaches, and know how right across the league for years like Sky have done in England. I think they done it because of the potential in America and other English speaking countries. But if you look at the current England team, and I might be wrong, but they look much better to me than before. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lifting trophies in the next ten years. Before 2000 it was a still a kick and go league, kind of like the championship.

I remember Rangers failing in Europe in terms of winning trophies for years because we had British type players. As much as I loved them and the managers it was often obvious that other teams could easily keep the ball better than us. We were still an up-and-at-them type of team. It wasn't until Advacaat came that we actually completely outplayed teams in football terms. It was really sad for Scottish football that the scum employed a football dinosaur because it ruined what we were doing. Murray was more the problem right enough. Madness to think we had people like Kanchelskis, Hendry, Ball, Amato, Gattuso etc in our reserves. When you think it was often our cheaper players who played it makes you realise that we could have been close to European success without risking bankruptcy.

Warburton is right about possession based football though. If it is done right then it works 9 times out of ten. Obviously if an old pragmatist like Walter or Simeone are up against you then you can easily lose but the win percentages don't really change against most. It's easier to destroy in football than create but it takes your football no where in the long term.

Warburton does worry me in terms of coming up against a team with giant money because I do belief he would have us try to out play them. It's sort of why I like him  I had become cynical and pragmatic about football and never thought good possession football was possible on the cheap. So the man has changed my outlook on the game. I think we will be well beaten but never completely outplayed in some matches but I am willing to accept that because I am excited about seeing a Rangers team that will try to take the game to anyone without having big names. Scary but exciting nevertheless. To me it will be like watching the fast all-out-attacking teams of the 60s in person instead of youtube 

The bastard is that if we create shocks then our leader gets a whistle from London. His tactics are scary at times with the likes of full backs becoming centre forwards, although covered of course, but can you imagine how good this would have been with the money we have spent in the past. No offence to my hero's of the past but this guy has produced an exciting team on less cash than we used to spend on a reserve player. So my respect for him is huge. 

So OP try to enjoy the next couple of years

 

[GrizzlyBear72 261]

This season has been nothing short of fantastic! We've won the Championship, we're in the SC Final, and we could yet secure a place in Europe! The Club has been transformed from top to bottom and the team are playing a style of football that has restored our pride and passion where, previously, there was only desolation and despair!

However, although that's all true, it's too simplistic just to leave it at that and be satisfied with these facts! Sure, we've dominated possession in almost every game we've played this season, we've scored 26 more goals than the next highest 'goals for' total in the league. Our style of play has been breathtaking at times and we've ran some teams ragged in a significant number of games....none more so, and more heartening, than against dundee and against celtic! That's what we expect from a Rangers team....that's the sort of stats and style we expect will see us challenging strongly for the premiership next season and, who knows, maybe even winning it (with some smart additions and obvious removals)!! Then there's the fact that we've lost, to date, one more game than falkirk and we've conceded only two less goals than falkirk and hibs in the league! Our inability to defend and break teams down at times has been really concerning and downright fucking infuriating this season!! Although, admittedly, we've still dominated possession and played some really good football, we've STILL contrived to fuck up big time in too many games throughout....this is Championship material!!

There's the rub, how can we play with such frightening flair in games against the, so called, best teams in the country and then be so fucking clumsy and cumbersome against teams at, even, the very lowest reaches of our league? Doesn't make sense....it's schizophrenic....split personality material!! We're all crying out for changes to our style, formation and tactics! We're demanding changes to personnel in defence, looking for a confirmed and experienced cdm to be signed pronto and asking for corner takers and wingers to play cross balls into the mix in the box now and again!! Of course we need changes, of course we need to strengthen in certain areas, MW has said as much, and it will be done close season, BUT....he has also made it abundantly clear....there is no 'plan b'....we simply learn to do 'plan a' better!! Have you noticed he refuses to allow the keeper to punt the ball up the park....why risk losing the ball? Refuses to allow (in the main) cross balls from the wings or from corners....why risk losing the ball against brick shitehoose defenders? That's his philosophy and the man ain't for turning!! He won't budge because, if he does, how can the players have faith in his methods....he's GOT to believe his way is the right way and stick to it, lest the players lose trust in the carefully thought out system!! Everything is meticulously planned out and executed in terms of preparation, fitness, tactics etc etc and only time will tell if he's on the money with it....I definitely think he will be and even better and more exciting times are on the horizon!! This is a one season old team full of young, inexperienced players and that's the very reason for the erratic performances and inexplicable scorelines....MW understands this more than anyone and, by sticking to his guns, he'll mould this team into winners!! The scatty performances will get less and less and our ability to unlock, even the most stuffy defences, will improve!! IMHO, this will be achieved because he's a stubborn git....more power to your elbow Mr Warburton!!

             WATP

 

 

 

[William McBeath 2,154]

9 hours ago, AlBear85 said:

We, as fans, have to accept that our style under Warburton will mean we lose or draw games that we 'should' win. Even the best at utilising this style, with the best players money can buy, can't attain perfection with it.

Our style is about possession and dominating games, as MW sees that as the best chance of optimising success. In that respect we have been perfect, I can't think of a game we haven't dominated this season.

The only issue with being so stubborn about our way of playing is we become predictable. That's not a criticism of our style it's just a fact.

Yes, better players will improve our chances of breaking down resolute opponents but we'll still have games where we can't break through and may even be caught on the counter. It's not a perfect system, no system is, but we have been a revelation this season.

I said at the start of the season, whatever happens it'll be exciting, and MW has given us that excitement. While personally thinking in big games we should be able to adjust, in all honesty I can have no complaints about our style.

This all day long

Good to watch and almost impossible to beat over a season. Possession based football will almost always beat counter attacking teams over a season if the team is clinical.

Might not be as effective in cups but at least we stop going in against teams in Europe like an old tramp trying to avoid getting knocked out. I know we don't have the cash for top players but defending like we did against Man U in 2010 hurt me. Just finances but any other time in history we could have a go at any team. Hate not being able to punch our weight.

I would like a defender who can dominate in the air like Amoruso, a forward who can do the same in the air and on the ground as Hately, and a dominant midfielder like Souness who just lets the rest play and does little until we lose possession. I mean cheap versions

 

[daverfc13 175]

6 hours ago, ForeverBlue1872 said:

 

No, we don't, we don't have the players to simply 'just put it in the box' it's silliness. The possession game is tactically better when you don't have a height advantage. What is the odds of a 6 foot-plus, defender clearing the ball?

 

We've played a lot of games with Wilson , Kiernan and Ball, that's a good bit of height. And how often do you see teams scoring late goals just through putting the ball in the box, it creates panic, I'm not saying lump it in every opportunity but try it from time to time, mix it up

[William McBeath 2,154]

9 hours ago, K.A.I said:

I love Warburton's style of play. It's a breath of fresh air (last 3 games apart)

I'll be honest (tin hat on) - I don't think the likes of Miller, Holt, Halliday, Wilson etc are actually great players but when played in a Warburton formation with the right footballing ethos, playing the game the right way etc you really notice the difference.

I've waited a long time for our team to play this way. I don't want it to change. Ever.

Agree, just makes me wonder what would have happened with this sort of guy twenty years ago.

I was like a Muslim fundamentalist with Souness and loved Walter but there is no way we would move like this on the ball with such cheap players under them. Makes me feel like we could compete with Advocaats team for 20 million under Warburton.

I don't mean this as a dig at our old managers. There was no European type managers in Britain back then but even in the 2nd division we are like a light weight Dutch team which is good considering where we are at and the shit league system we play in.