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8 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

Been there, done it got the tshirt, sadly these Tigers are drugged up to the eyeballs.   What is a weekend occurrence for some RM posters is a daily abuse for these animals.

Correct!

The famous Tiger Temple is currently in the process of being shut down, nevermind the other ' tiger zoos'.

Same as elephant trekking, the animals are used and abused.

Every time we go to Thailand, myself and the wife volunteer here at this elephant sanctuary in Kanchanaburi -  http://www.elephantsworld.org/

While also visiting Helllfire Pass, the infamous bridge over the river Kwai, the war cemeteries and museums. Love Kanchanaburi.

Very humbling and rewarding, such gentle, intelligent and sadly abused animals.

 

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13 minutes ago, Siam69 said:

Correct!

The famous Tiger Temple is currently in the process of being shut down, nevermind the other ' tiger zoos'.

Same as elephant trekking, the animals are used and abused.

Every time we go to Thailand, myself and the wife volunteer here at this elephant sanctuary in Kanchanaburi -  http://www.elephantsworld.org/

While also visiting Helllfire Pass, the infamous bridge over the river Kwai, the war cemeteries and museums. Love Kanchanaburi.

Very humbling and rewarding, such gentle, intelligent and sadly abused animals.

 

I wanted to do that when I was over but my schedule wouldn't allow me. I will do it next time I head over and might pick your brain for some tips. 

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28 minutes ago, Siam69 said:

Correct!

The famous Tiger Temple is currently in the process of being shut down, nevermind the other ' tiger zoos'.

Same as elephant trekking, the animals are used and abused.

Every time we go to Thailand, myself and the wife volunteer here at this elephant sanctuary in Kanchanaburi -  http://www.elephantsworld.org/

While also visiting Helllfire Pass, the infamous bridge over the river Kwai, the war cemeteries and museums. Love Kanchanaburi.

Very humbling and rewarding, such gentle, intelligent and sadly abused animals.

 

Not disagreeing with the abuse part but the elephant situation is more complex.  Many of these elephants were used by the logging industry but since the moratorium on logging they are basically redundant.  Country needs to find new skills or new ventures for the elephants as they would die if released into the wild.  

Thank fuk Kelly was photographed with a tiger and not a ladyboy or god knows which rabbit hole this conversation would have gone down.

Ps  the sanctuary in Chang Mia used to do good work as well.

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44 minutes ago, kplfishtank said:

I wanted to do that when I was over but my schedule wouldn't allow me. I will do it next time I head over and might pick your brain for some tips. 

Not a problem mate, me and the wife are over very regular, we have a small place there by the sea. Although our little baby daughter going to be born any day now has curtailed it a bit this year. There's a good sanctuary in Chiang Mai as well, although we prefer the Kanchanaburi area, so beautifull, and so much history and war museums if you're into that. Just message me any time.

34 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

Not disagreeing with the abuse part but the elephant situation is more complex.  Many of these elephants were used by the logging industry but since the moratorium on logging they are basically redundant.  Country needs to find new skills or new ventures for the elephants as they would die if released into the wild.  

Thank fuk Kelly was photographed with a tiger and not a ladyboy or god knows which rabbit hole this conversation would have gone down.

Yes that's true, since machinery and the ban on logging, those that were 'domesticated' have indeed been made redundant, and unfortunately you used to even see them getting walked down streets in Thai cities, with the mahoots selling food for tourists to feed them. Thankfully that's very rare now, banned I think. The Asian elephant, in fact all elephants are endangered.

The elephant trekking industry is a business, so in many cases the elephants get worked to exhaustion, never mind the damage the 'saddle' with people in it on their back does. A mahoot riding on the neck is fine, but their spine is not made for anything else. I know of places where they teach the elephants to paint, play football or play instruments. Still a bit unpalatable, but as you say, they have to do something, earn their keep when they are not wild.

Thankfully there is increasingly more not for profit sanctuaries springing up, where education has seen tourists understand the plight of the elephants, swerve the trekking etc. In the sanctuary you pay usually about 5000 Baht (£100) for a full day, where you get collected,  go to the sanctuary, learn about the different elephants, their personalities, where they were rescued from, help clean their food (pesticides etc), feed them, bath them, ride on their neck (no saddle) in river while bathing them etc. It's a great day, and all the money goes toward feeding, taking care of, and buying the elephants out of the abusive trekking businesses. Oh, and you get plenty of great Thai food as well :541:

This was at Kanchanaburi, taking them down for a bath and ride on their neck.

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1 hour ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

Been there, done it got the tshirt, sadly these Tigers are drugged up to the eyeballs.   What is a weekend occurrence for some RM posters is a daily abuse for these animals.

I can see the story now, Rangers keeper condones animal atrocities in Thailand.

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3 hours ago, Siam69 said:

Correct!

The famous Tiger Temple is currently in the process of being shut down, nevermind the other ' tiger zoos'.

Same as elephant trekking, the animals are used and abused.

Every time we go to Thailand, myself and the wife volunteer here at this elephant sanctuary in Kanchanaburi -  http://www.elephantsworld.org/

While also visiting Helllfire Pass, the infamous bridge over the river Kwai, the war cemeteries and museums. Love Kanchanaburi.

Very humbling and rewarding, such gentle, intelligent and sadly abused animals.

 

Did you go to Chungkai cemetery, the smaller one down by the river. Have been a few times with the Royal Britsh Legion Thailand lads. Cemeteries are beautifully kept and great place for a break. Hellfire pass is amazing and very touching as well. 

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10 minutes ago, eosmhdo said:

Did you go to Chungkai cemetery, the smaller one down by the river. Have been a few times with the Royal Britsh Legion Thailand lads. Cemeteries are beautifully kept and great place for a break. Hellfire pass is amazing and very touching as well. 

First time I visited the war cemeteries I was around my mid 20s.  Standing among the immaculately kept Graves it dawned on me that most of those buried there were in fact younger than me and would never see another sunrise.  A very sobering and reflective moment.

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4 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

First time I visited the war cemeteries I was around my mid 20s.  Standing among the immaculately kept Graves it dawned on me that most of those buried there were in fact younger than me and would never see another sunrise.  A very sobering and reflective moment.

Yes mate, so sad and time for thought. Still managed to get pished with the RBL lads though ?

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46 minutes ago, eosmhdo said:

Did you go to Chungkai cemetery, the smaller one down by the river. Have been a few times with the Royal Britsh Legion Thailand lads. Cemeteries are beautifully kept and great place for a break. Hellfire pass is amazing and very touching as well. 

I did yea, hired a scorpion boat for a half day from below the bridge, took us there and one of the other museums.

33 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

First time I visited the war cemeteries I was around my mid 20s.  Standing among the immaculately kept Graves it dawned on me that most of those buried there were in fact younger than me and would never see another sunrise.  A very sobering and reflective moment.

Indeed, and from wide variety of countries.

Just a few pics from Hellfire Pass, two different war cemeteries, the bridge from our scorpion boat, breakfast from our hotel at the River Kwai, and evening meal by the bridge. Not great quality as taken from my phone.

My daughter is due any day, then we'll be back in January of next year. The pics are making me twitchy :D

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4 minutes ago, Siam69 said:

I did yea, hired a scorpion boat for a half day from below the bridge, took us there and one of the museums.

Indeed, and from wide variety of countries.

Just a few pics from Hellfire Pass, two different war cemeteries, the bridge from our scorpion boat, breakfast from our hotel at the River Kwai, and evening meal by the bridge. Not great quality as taken from my phone.

My daughter is due any day, then we'll be back in January of next year. The pics are making me twitchy :D

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Great pics mate, great place to visit. Been 10 times now with the wife and lad. Wouldn't thank you for a holiday in Spain etc after being in Thailand

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15 minutes ago, eosmhdo said:

Great pics mate, great place to visit. Been 10 times now with the wife and lad. Wouldn't thank you fo a holiday in Spain etc after being in Thailand

You'll have shopped here once or twice (tu)

Face altered due to maniacs and taigs on the forum :D

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1 minute ago, Siam69 said:

You'll have shopped here once or twice (tu)

Face altered due to maniacs and taigs on the forum :D

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Shoppings for her mate, never do it ? . But I have been in plenty pubs in Bangkok.

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5 minutes ago, eosmhdo said:

Shoppings for her mate, never do it ? . But I have been in plenty pubs in Bangkok.

Mate, best snides I've ever seen.

All my 'Diesel' or 'Armani'  jeans, 'Fred Perrys', 'Stone Island' and 'RL' etc stuff from here.

Bag's full as fuck coming home, love MBK :lol:

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