ritchieshearercaldow 22,010 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: Nope I wasn't there and all I have to go on is the videos/reports and first hand accounts of those that were...mostly from this forum and not the MSM. I don't know who the banning orders were issued to, but we've all seen pictures of boots, kicks and corner flags being brandished that would make it very very difficult for the the club to defend the actions of these few as "protecting our players/staff". I have no doubt there were fans on the pitch that were concerned for our players/staff but it would be naive to think that there weren't some who took up the invitation to come down for the fighting. Maybe the tone of the post has come across wrongly (writing rather than talking can do that!) but I'm not actually blaming our fans at all. Since the OP was about the boards reaction and issuing bans, my point is that the board was/is in an impossible position regarding the actions of a few given what's been seen and will find it almost impossible to defend. The board could have left it, just like the SFA are doing with hivs, when will we see that club being punished? TEFTONG, HG5 and OhW 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,355 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bellshill_Bear said: Know a few that has had theirs but if they get proven o be not guilt at couture they should get the email overturned. All of the fans including myself are grateful of what that minority done to protect our own but if you take the law into your own hands you must expect to be reprimanded. The club can't condone law breaking from the fans no matter the consequence. If a rangers fan ran in and chopped a guys head off in self defence he would be jailed. Keep the heads up lads, we're all proud of you. The point of Self Defence is that if it is accepted you acted in Self Defence you are acquitted. This also applies to the defence of another. Would be pushing it to have decapitation accepted though. HG5 and WadeWilson 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Disgraceful but expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 I should't really be surprised but I had hoped it could be different. The club could have said that they would let the courts etc deal with it and whilst they dont want to be seen encouraging violence they can understand why the supporters took to the field when their players and vulnerable supporters were severely at risk as the Hibs support had passed the halfway line. Shitebags under Murray and shitebags under King. HG5, Bears r us, rfc_watp and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig/ 393 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Terrible after they were at the games and seen exactly what happened at the end and issuing the statements backing the fans then they go and issue banning orders, banning fans who have followed the team everywhere all their life and especially the last 4 years where without their support who knows what would've happened Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,204 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Poor, should have left it to the courts. Unfortunately it will make no difference to the courts that these fans were trying to protect players or disabled fans. As far as the courts are concerned they entered the pitch, and were unlucky enough to have been identified by the Police. Smile 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post minstral 5,375 Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 Thought that this would happen as with King in charge. He served under Murray who had a go at our fans all the time, plus set up the grass line to get fellow bears banned. They care nothing about our fans, and only want your money, they are all cowards who do not deserve a support that back our club, they make me sick. GOAT, Smile, Courtyard Bear and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, ritchieshearercaldow said: The board could have left it, just like the SFA are doing with hivs, when will we see that club being punished? Yup, I can accept that. Like I said, I don't know if those that have banning orders have been charged or not, but if there are those that have acted outside the law and have just gone on for a scrap then it does put the club in a no-win position. But yes accepted, the club could have awaited the outcome of charges first. I also agree that I'm astonished that Hibs, as a club, are still not subject to charges (although a lot of fans have been banned), and I've brought that up myself plenty times. Perhaps that'll happen after the "independent investigations..." but I won't hold my breath. OhW 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 This is all a media exercise pandering to the haters who will still find fault with our club no matter what we do. Weak,gutless and ultimately contrary to the statement Rangers issued itself the day after the cup final. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Not sure what else the club can do! Despite the wrongs of what the hibs fans did, in this country we don't allow folks to take the law into your own hands. if we want hibs / SFA to do the right thing ( patience ... )then the club also need to be doing the right thing - which is to not condone any actions by our fans that bring or potentially bring the club into disrepute, despite any provocation. Sad but that's the way it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: Yup, I can accept that. Like I said, I don't know if those that have banning orders have been charged or not, but if there are those that have acted outside the law and have just gone on for a scrap then it does put the club in a no-win position. But yes accepted, the club could have awaited the outcome of charges first. I also agree that I'm astonished that Hibs, as a club, are still not subject to charges (although a lot of fans have been banned), and I've brought that up myself plenty times. Perhaps that'll happen after the "independent investigations..." but I won't hold my breath. I think the 'independent investigators' had a timeline of end of July for their report - don't know if that has been extended tho' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gogzy 31,195 Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said: Not sure what else the club can do! Despite the wrongs of what the hibs fans did, in this country we don't allow folks to take the law into your own hands. if we want hibs / SFA to do the right thing ( patience ... )then the club also need to be doing the right thing - which is to not condone any actions by our fans that bring or potentially bring the club into disrepute, despite any provocation. Sad but that's the way it is. Didn't you say that talk of bannings was just paranoid pish? I think anyone who slated KAI and told him he was talking shite, now owes him an appolgy. its_an_extender, bombaybadboy08, CF2 WINNIE and 15 others 18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three stripes 411 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Over to you club1872 lets see if you have any balls or are just yes men? Corky True Legend 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferris Bueller 1,569 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 What exactly was the board expected to do here? Wether fans were on the park to defend other fans or just for a scrap, they broke the law by being there and I'm pretty sure thats how the courts will view it there will be no differentiation between the two so banning orders were inevitable. And although this isn't good to say this action shows the club as being pro-active in this whole sorry mess unlike the SFA and Hibs. Bluepeter9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, gogzy said: Didn't you say that talk of bannings was just paranoid pish? I think anyone who slated KAI and told him he was talking shite, now owes him an appolgy. Nope never ever said that so no apology needed! Im sure someone will go check for you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Oh ffs stop having a go at the board. Kings spent £50 million this summer, show some fucking gratitude Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF2 WINNIE 1,006 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Three stripes said: Over to you club1872 lets see if you have any balls or are just yes men? I was just coming back to make this point exactly. Club1872 should be standing up for the fans here and helping those banned appeal them or helping them not happen in the first place but sweep sweep will be the order of the day here I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivybank 4,496 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Unbelievable, I thought you were innocent until proved guilty? Not with the Rangers board I see, a another thing that disturbs me is our players said absolutely f all regarding the incidents ,they should have been out minutes after the whistle saying it was a disgrace and they feared for their lives,and our supporters etc, dignified silence my arse,do you think the hibs players would have done that they would be bleating to every news outlet they could find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Bluepeter9 said: Nope never ever said that so no apology needed! If you didn't then that's fine, plenty did though, so my point still stands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedylan 11,555 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I got a phone call to my office years ago from Rangers stating I was no longer welcome to travel in Europe to watch the team after Eindhoven trouble......aye dead on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Season ticket money in and banked, so the loyal fan can go fuck himself as far the board are concerned. minstral, BridgeIsBlue, dougie76 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimgers 565 Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 I'm nearly sixty and not the very mobile due to an accident in my youth, but if i could have got on that pitch i would have retaliated against those scum junkie Hivs. They were attacking our players, threatening our disabled brethren, goading the Bears in the stands. In any criminal court case mitigation is a considering factor when a Judge is passing sentence. Did the club take into consideration, the threatening, the attacks and the goading the Bears suffered as mitigation? If the didn't consider mitigation, then an appeal against the banning's is within the Bears rights surely? stourloyal, Ivybank, sandyinroyalblue and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, jimgers said: I'm nearly sixty and not the very mobile due to an accident in my youth, but if i could have got on that pitch i would have retaliated against those scum junkie Hivs. They were attacking our players, threatening our disabled brethren, goading the Bears in the stands. In any criminal court case mitigation is a considering factor when a Judge is passing sentence. Did the club take into consideration, the threatening, the attacks and the goading the Bears suffered as mitigation? If the didn't consider mitigation, then an appeal against the banning's is within the Bears rights surely? Cause and effect mate,spot on. jimgers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three stripes 411 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 49 minutes ago, CF2 WINNIE said: Poor from the board. I know someone who was in the disabled section follows rangers everywhere and has done for years, He says that police/stewards genuinely did nothing and have seen others commenting that they feared for their safety as their only exit had police horses charging up it. Fans had to a degree protect them. Pretty poor from the club should really have stood up to this. I am not against any members of the current board but very disappointing however not surprised in the slightest. I remember reading about the guy who looks after disabled rangers fans and he says he was disgusted by the police and stewards and he felt for his and disabled rangers fans safety and was greatfull for the bears on the park to back hibs off. Any bear that pleads not guilty and gets took to court people like him has to be there 1st witness. Rozzers could come out of this looking worse than they already do. Vwbear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gogzy 31,195 Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said: Nope never ever said that so no apology needed! Im sure someone will go check for you I checked myself as the thread was hidden and no non staff can see it. You quoted KAI making this post ( he had been asked by someone else what was wrong with Robertsons statement) Quote Everything is wrong with that - it tells me that he will be taking action against people fighting after the investigation which we all know is heading towards a stitch up anyway open your eyes - the tide is turning back towards us with the help of the people running our club and you quoted it by saying........ Quote You wonder why you get called paranoid and agenda driven! BridgeIsBlue, The Godfather, Supersonic and 19 others 22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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