It is now Wednesday, why the silence?

[writingranger 1,413]

I reckon they've taken so long to issue a statement because they have to trawl their way through the mountains of expert advice in the posts on these pages.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

4 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

Nearly every post I see from you is criticising the club in some way, rarely ever positive.  Excuse me whilst I wonder if you're a fan at all.

whether you wish to call it a tweet, statement, deflection or whatever, the fact remains the club said something on a subject that was previously taboo.  The effect it has had has been to raise broad, national and international public awareness and damaged their reputation...even just a little.  But it's more than ever before.  So what is it you really want?  I can only assume what you really want is something you can have a go at our board for.

Likewise everyone from you ,is so far up Dave Kings arse ,you would think you were related 

[thegambler 61]

Just now, eejay the dj said:

22 posts and you come with that .Go fuck off 

what is this obsession with post counts and not being able to ask questions. It's good to see some can have a reasonable discussion without getting all defensive though.

[quabba 440]

They will say fuck all. Too busy with "building bridges".  Liewell and his board would have had a statement out condemning us about 30 minutes after the game finished.

And that would just be the start, SNP and the mhedia would be all over it like a rash

[eejay the dj 31,964]

2 minutes ago, thegambler said:

what is this obsession with post counts and not being able to ask questions. It's good to see some can have a reasonable discussion without getting all defensive though.

Think it's fair to say you shower know all about obsession 

[thegambler 61]

Just now, eejay the dj said:

Think it's fair to say you shower know all about obsession 

How predictable. I still don't see what offended you about my post, unless reading comprehension isn't really your strong suit.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

43 minutes ago, thehost said:

Rather than trot out your usual appeasement shite why not give this some consideration;

What would pedro liewell do?

Once you have answered that you may well then go on to consider how the same pedro liewell not only controls the media but also the sfa via a combination of placemen and useful serfs.

Then think on the difference in turnover, the difference in revenue streams, the difference in council funding.

At this point you could maybe turn your attention to our craven antics, over the last 18 years.

One could then juxtapose both attitudes and draw some useful conclusions.

Cravenly sitting there, taking it up the arse, whilst saying fuck all does not a successful outcome bring.

You are old enough to know all this, indeed you have sat back and witnessed it so it is beyond me how you can trot out your mealy-mouthed pish, on such a continuous basis, when you have ample evidence that such inaction has done nothing other than bring great harm to the club.

 

Angry ramblings of someone who just sees conspiracy in everything! Your one of the people who sees what they want to see and not the reality. The type of person who doesn't see anything wrong in wrecking their toilets, who moans the press isn't fair despite most ( including the front page of the sun -ffs the sun- ) condemning them for their actions. The type of person who gets all offended about being called a H** while hurling abuse at them, me, the club, the team and the manager but greets like a wee'n when they don't get their own warped way. 

[Bears 792]

2 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

Angry ramblings of someone who just sees conspiracy in everything! Your one of the people who sees what they want to see and not the reality. The type of person who doesn't see anything wrong in wrecking their toilets, who moans the press isn't fair despite most ( including the front page of the sun -ffs the sun- ) condemning them for their actions. The type of person who gets all offended about being called a H** while hurling abuse at them, me, the club, the team and the manager but greets like a wee'n when they don't get their own warped way. 

In the context of this thread, he asked you several pertinent questions, which you evaded with a personal attack. Do you have an answer for the questions that you are willing to share?

[Bears 792]

17 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

Nearly every post I see from you is criticising the club in some way, rarely ever positive.  Excuse me whilst I wonder if you're a fan at all.

whether you wish to call it a tweet, statement, deflection or whatever, the fact remains the club said something on a subject that was previously taboo.  The effect it has had has been to raise broad, national and international public awareness and damaged their reputation...even just a little.  But it's more than ever before.  So what is it you really want?  I can only assume what you really want is something you can have a go at our board for.

I would argue that he is not attacking the club but several characters who are running the club at this current time within its long, long history. These characters are well on their way to becoming infamous for their silence in the face of sustained and increasingly brazen bias in Scotland against our club, which is not being defended properly by those who currently run it. So it's possible to say that thehost is actually writing in support of the club rather than against it. I don't agree on the whole with everything he writes all the time but he certainly has a point here.

[Rambo1872 4,065]

30 minutes ago, thegambler said:

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but ok fella. 

When you hit 10'000 posts then your opinion matters didnt you know that on the old RM forums? 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

27 minutes ago, TheBluebells said:

Don't know why I'm bothering but here goes...

The damage to the toilets and what was displayed are not really that comparable as it doesn't point out the real issue here. It isn't 'tit for tat shite' to highlight that we seen depictions of Orangemen / Rangers fans hung from the stands, ira banners, know your place H** scum / kill all H*** banners and then the usual orange bastards chants on Saturday. 

Now the reason it's such an issue is the double standard in how it's viewed, I know you think everyone's para but if it's the opposite way around Ibrox would be shut down. 

An in depth statement highlighting the difference in how the issues are viewed in Scotland would be a good thing, not tit for tat shite. 

Any statement would have to deal with the toilet issue - if the press are as bad as you say then any statement will just ( at best) be treated as tit for tat shit. ( btw whilst I hate the sun - their Monday front page was dedicated to condemnation of the effigy issue- but we all conveniently ignore that as it doesn't suit the 'press all against us' argument. )

Also two wrongs don't make a right - you want to debate that hanging effigies is worse than the toilet destruction - ok I'll give you that - but it's a toma(y)to - tomato type argument to me. 

I'd rather we got our shit together on the pitch - got back to the top - and went back to leaving them to do all the moaning and back laughing at them than have the club getting involved in some pseudo, PUL inspired, political swampland of parabolic protest. 

[murzo 7,446]

1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said:

Any statement would have to deal with the toilet issue - if the press are as bad as you say then any statement will just ( at best) be treated as tit for tat shit. ( btw whilst I hate the sun - their Monday front page was dedicated to condemnation of the effigy issue- but we all conveniently ignore that as it doesn't suit the 'press all against us' argument. )

Also two wrongs don't make a right - you want to debate that hanging effigies is worse than the toilet destruction - ok I'll give you that - but it's a toma(y)to - tomato type argument to me. 

I'd rather we got our shit together on the pitch - got back to the top - and went back to leaving them to do all the moaning and back laughing at them than have the club getting involved in some pseudo, PUL inspired, political swampland of parabolic protest. 

So you want to stick your head in the sand and all that matters to you is winning on the pitch? 

Our Club means a whole lot more to thousands of people than just winning on the pitch. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715]

18 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

Angry ramblings of someone who just sees conspiracy in everything! Your one of the people who sees what they want to see and not the reality. The type of person who doesn't see anything wrong in wrecking their toilets, who moans the press isn't fair despite most ( including the front page of the sun -ffs the sun- ) condemning them for their actions. The type of person who gets all offended about being called a H** while hurling abuse at them, me, the club, the team and the manager but greets like a wee'n when they don't get their own warped way. 

So comparing parity between ourselves and the filth from the East: 

There is parity in how we are reported on by the media?

There is parity in how we are financially impacted upon by local councils and Scottish Government?

There is parity in how we are protected, supported and indeed punished by our footballing authority?

What is your interpretation of reality Peter, is it all fair and balanced?

[jintybear 8,536]

41 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

100% spot on, If we did this at Ibrox then the first minister would be involved and Ibrox would have stands shut for 2 or 3 games or even behind closed doors.

Bluepeter wake up ffs, you say you are a bear the prove it and start acting like one.

How many grounds have they trashed in the last couple of years? Tyncastle, Motherwell, Dundee to name a few then trying to burn the seats at Ibrox in the youth cup game about 4 or 5 years ago.

All forgotten by the media, They always trash Ibrox that's why they were banned before as we had to always fit the bill and Murray said no more, so before the media get the arses in a spin about the toilets they should remember this agreement and state that the club would be footing the bill, again they make it sound as though they are paying the 100k instead of us.

The same happened with Mark Walters absolutely fuck all happened, yet we sneeze and we are jailed.

And one last thing BluePeter, could you please tell me why we have had more fans arrested the past 12 months than Celtic, Motherwell and Hibs combined? As that is a disgrace and the club should be highlighting this also,

This does  not stop with the media but the SNP also, my own msp Humaz Yousaf was on Twitter bragging about the win he even took pictures and posted them from a sight that had the Rangers doll and Orangeman doll hanging just 2 pictures below what he retweeted, Now did he mention any of this? Did he hell as like, that's your SNP for you.

But you can be sure of one thing Bluepeter your beloved SNP also have a hell of a lot of explaining to do as they have fuelled the fire and this is why we are at this point.

 

Only a fool would think otherwise , So are you a fool? Because you don't act like a fool yet you come on here and attack bear after bear while the mob you openly support does this to the club you support ?

Its time even for you agree with the vast majority and never vote for those cunts again 

Good post. I would put the 9 at the end of BluePeter though or the real BluePeter might be a bit peeved! 

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

In the continued and persistent absence of following up initial strong statements (Cup Final and charges after the Cup Final) or even holding statements (like the one this week) it is inevitable that people will call into question what the Directors of the Club are doing.   For their persistent silence and lack of action would lead to a not unreasonable conclusion that they are not minded to do much despite their initial bold words.

Its not a major corporate matter requiring boatloads of external advisers to opine on the matters or to engage in massive stakeholder consultation.   The matters are controversial but they are (imo) not so complex that a competent well led well governed Board should not be able to produce definitive responses much more quickly.   Even if, for some reason, they cannot (as opposed to will not) then they still owe a duty to the Support, and to the shareholders, to say why that is the case.   Not doing so makes them look like they either don't know what to do or are simply not willing to do anything for fear of offending the football authorities or other clubs. 

Beatings of proverbial Directors' chests after the Cup Final and related charges and blasting out statements of indignation are all very well.   But if not followed up promptly and effectively then they are no better than hollow noises designed to align to the bandwagon of rightful protest by the Support but the reality being an aim to delay so long in responding further that the intial heat felt by the Support will have dampened down to the point where shoulders are shrugged when a tame, lame response is eventually provided. 

We don't even have the benefit of an indicative timescale in which they would provide substantive responses.   Transparency?  Not really.  Confidence inspiring?  Not really.    We have a curious alignment of behaviours.    We wait for MW and the squad to turn things around quickly (which is what MW is reported to have said needs to happen) and we wait for King / the Board to respond.    The common denominator is on both counts we are to be kept waiting with a mindset of just wait and see.    Perhaps the other common denominator is that neither the Board nor the Manager really know how to respond and its just make it up as they go along.  Harsh?  Probably - but then they are not doing enough to remove the opportunity for harsh comment.   

 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

1 hour ago, Bears said:

In the context of this thread, he asked you several pertinent questions, which you evaded with a personal attack. Do you have an answer for the questions that you are willing to share?

?? All questions answered! Well the ones that weren't rhetorical! 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

51 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

So comparing parity between ourselves and the filth from the East: 

There is parity in how we are reported on by the media?

There is parity in how we are financially impacted upon by local councils and Scottish Government?

There is parity in how we are protected, supported and indeed punished by our footballing authority?

What is your interpretation of reality Peter, is it all fair and balanced?

There is some amount of shite discussed about us in the press - there is an aweful lot about their conduct as well but many on here ignore that - and I used the sun ( the fucking sun) front page on Monday as an example of a huge condemnation of them but we choose to bleat on about other media.

then we have this paranoid nonsense that the government ( by which folk mean the SNP ) are out to get us!  

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

1 hour ago, Bluepeter9 said:

Any statement would have to deal with the toilet issue - if the press are as bad as you say then any statement will just ( at best) be treated as tit for tat shit. ( btw whilst I hate the sun - their Monday front page was dedicated to condemnation of the effigy issue- but we all conveniently ignore that as it doesn't suit the 'press all against us' argument. )

Also two wrongs don't make a right - you want to debate that hanging effigies is worse than the toilet destruction - ok I'll give you that - but it's a toma(y)to - tomato type argument to me. 

I'd rather we got our shit together on the pitch - got back to the top - and went back to leaving them to do all the moaning and back laughing at them than have the club getting involved in some pseudo, PUL inspired, political swampland of parabolic protest. 

 you spout some amount of pish. 

But here goes anyway, just for you and your republican nationalist pals. We will take one out of their playbook. 

"The club would like to apologise for a very very small number of Rangers fans who let the emotion of Saturday get too much for them, in due course The Club will fully restore the toilet that was damaged back to its former state of repair, again we wholeheartedly apologise once again.

Now onto far more serious matters, sadly we once again had to witness the continued onslaught of sectarian bile coming from the Celtic support. Not content with their usual songs and banners in support of a known terrorist group, which is currently illegal in this country. Unfortunately they didn't stop there and managed to fall to a new low with effigies of Rangers fans hands tied behind their backs being hung by the neck from their stands while unfurled banners of "Kill All The H***" are proudly held aloft for all to see. Every other country in European football is clamping down on this disgusting behaviour inside football grounds, sadly in this country a blind eye is turned to this sectarian behaviour. We call on the government and the SFA to finally act on this disgusting behaviour and once and for all rid Scottish football of these shameful acts. 

The Club and it's fans will wait to see just what action is taken on this matter before we take any further action."

Statement done BP9, I know it won't make a difference to your warped views on things but then what's new. 

 

[Copland bear 7,966]

52 minutes ago, jintybear said:

Good post. I would put the 9 at the end of BluePeter though or the real BluePeter might be a bit peeved! 

Cheers ?, sorted 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

1 hour ago, Copland bear said:

100% spot on, If we did this at Ibrox then the first minister would be involved and Ibrox would have stands shut for 2 or 3 games or even behind closed doors.

Bluepeter wake up ffs, you say you are a bear the prove it and start acting like one.

How many grounds have they trashed in the last couple of years? Tyncastle, Motherwell, Dundee to name a few then trying to burn the seats at Ibrox in the youth cup game about 4 or 5 years ago.

All forgotten by the media, They always trash Ibrox that's why they were banned before as we had to always fit the bill and Murray said no more, so before the media get the arses in a spin about the toilets they should remember this agreement and state that the club would be footing the bill, again they make it sound as though they are paying the 100k instead of us.

The same happened with Mark Walters absolutely fuck all happened, yet we sneeze and we are jailed.

And one last thing BluePeter, could you please tell me why we have had more fans arrested the past 12 months than Celtic, Motherwell and Hibs combined? As that is a disgrace and the club should be highlighting this also,

This does  not stop with the media but the SNP also, my own msp Humaz Yousaf was on Twitter bragging about the win he even took pictures and posted them from a sight that had the Rangers doll and Orangeman doll hanging just 2 pictures below what he retweeted, Now did he mention any of this? Did he hell as like, that's your SNP for you.

But you can be sure of one thing Bluepeter your beloved SNP also have a hell of a lot of explaining to do as they have fuelled the fire and this is why we are at this point.

 

Only a fool would think otherwise , So are you a fool? Because you don't act like a fool yet you come on here and attack bear after bear while the mob you openly support does this to the club you support ?

Its time even for you agree with the vast majority and never vote for those cunts again 

How should bear act?

like the panic merchants on here?

like the whinging moaning overly sensitive in here? 

Ir should a bear believe in thinks like 'No Surrender' - ''No one likes us we don't care' 

or act with just dignity and class? Fairness and openness?

go on - let me know how a bear should act and i will see if I can buy into your definition of 'acting like a bear! 

[ianferguson 2,619]

2 hours ago, eejay the dj said:

I detest Murray and King . They managed to get control of our club due to our desperate plight .

That does not mean they were and are the right custodians to be leading our club, in the fight back against our enemies.

It is my total belief that King's silence was bought ,if you like in return for the easy route to the thrown .

Nothing now ,will make me change my mind on this .

The Cup Final disappearing act has been a disgrace .One statement of intent and then ..... Not a thing .

I was happy with the statement the other day with the hope that it would be followed up .

I await the next move from our club, to make sure this vile club are brought to account. For clearly aiding and abetting with their fans on the shameful  performance of their fans at the weekend.

Dry yur eyes, didn't see a queue of potential owners the last time I visited Ibrox, be glad the Rhats are gone and give the board a chance ,fact is they gained control of Rangers because they were THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN.

[Copland bear 7,966]

Bluepeter9 just ignores the facts I have presented, Could you please answer my orginal post please as I would love your views on it all, the fact the media new about the agreement between clubs yet went ahead and published the toilets only to pull it later on as they new by this point we did not look the other way like the police, stewards and media Scotland along with the SNP .

What next? Blame us for bringing it to the attention of the general public, as I said if you are this great Rangers fan then you will know what happened was a regular occurrence at Ibriox since it was done up, it got to the point Murray banned them and the rules changed regarding away fans and how you must allow them in , but both clubs agreed to pay any damages the other fans did , do you remember? Collins free kick up at the Copland then the Mikalichenko deflected equaliser, 

As I said please anwer my orginal post, but just a wee reminder of why Celtic fans were banned from Ibrox and the actual game as it was year after year while their shit hole had fuck all worth smashing at the time, yes those involved in the toilet incident shamed the club and will be dealt with accordingly, but let's see who Celtic get as they missed the Ricksen lighter, the novo incident when the mobile phone flew past him coming from the main stand, this is not just one incident , it has happened time and again, referee assulted 17 years ago, hit with coins and numerous fans trying to get on the park, they labelled that the old firm shame game? No it was Celtics shame game 

[Copland bear 7,966]

2 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said:

There is some amount of shite discussed about us in the press - there is an aweful lot about their conduct as well but many on here ignore that - and I used the sun ( the fucking sun) front page on Monday as an example of a huge condemnation of them but we choose to bleat on about other media.

then we have this paranoid nonsense that the government ( by which folk mean the SNP ) are out to get us!  

And my msp? He tweeted goal after goal, Dembelee last man off the park etc , Rod doing the huddle got badges from another place on Twitter  and retweeted it but 2 pictures  below were the mock Rangers fan and Orangeman hanging which he wouldn have saw  yet not a dicky bow, Could you please explain this? I have no problem with him supporting Celtic but they just broke every law in the book that they brought out is disgusting.

No fucking point him saying anything now as he new at the time what had happened as he had viewed it on Twitter.

You call yourself a Rangers fan? Really, this is the sort of cunt you would vote for?

Some Rangers fan you are as we should be united politically as well as in football.

 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715]

23 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

There is some amount of shite discussed about us in the press - there is an aweful lot about their conduct as well but many on here ignore that - and I used the sun ( the fucking sun) front page on Monday as an example of a huge condemnation of them but we choose to bleat on about other media.

then we have this paranoid nonsense that the government ( by which folk mean the SNP ) are out to get us!  

So is there parity in each of the 3 categories?

[BloodRunsBlue 1,303]

Dave Kings fit and proper person bribe certificate is dangling on a fishing rod ready to reeled in as soon as he upsets any of the string pullers at Hampden.

This club would be so much better off without that fuckin crook and his gang of hangers on..

We will be stuck with him and his bullshit penny pinching while the scum run away from us financially, because he will never find any outside investors. No proper business man would ever deal with him. Toxic beyond repair is King.