****The Official Aberdeen v Rangers thread****

[Hoody 103]

1 minute ago, The Godfather said:

It matters not a fuck if you thought we were the better side or not because we still conceded two goals, got beat yet again against a challenging team and now sit 7th in a Mickey Mouse league.

Its an utter embarrassment and has been for months now, stop deluding yourselves ffs. 

We are a very poor side in terms of the top flight and our management team are also out of their depth at this level too. It's staring you straight in the face but instead it's head in the sand stuff. 

Wake up

Spot on. 

[KingKirk 25,633]

2 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Last weekend was a "good performance".

Today was a "good performance".

1 point.

7th in the league.

Sit the fuck down.

last week was good tthis week was good I don't get your point. As I said we can't complain about the performance today.

[gazza27 15,283]

9 minutes ago, danger ranger said:

We had 63 percent of possession today and done nothing of any merit, we just look good and don't get anywhere and then give the opposition a gifted goal, different day same old mince, IMHO this turkey won't last to Christmas.

Fuck sake 

[Creampuff 22,628]

3 minutes ago, ben51 said:

I'm sorry but I simply do not understand this. 

See the part in bold, apart from a few specific parts, this could be the summary to every game we haven't won in the last 6 months, which is 12 out of 17. 

That's why people are annoyed and worried, because it's constantly the same issues game after game. It's unbelievably fucking predictable. We're up against well drilled, fit teams. Who are capable of scoring really good goals. We need to deal with that and learn from that. We're constantly told that we will, but we don't.

I'm not saying we didn't pass the ball well, but that isn't the issue. The issues are we concede goals for fun and can't score. No matter how much we dominate the ball. 

I said it last week and I could have said it after Kilmarnock and I could have said it after Hamilton. Sides don't need to play well against us to get a result. They can all, and they do, come with the same game plan because you can predict exactly what we'll do. 

He needs to stop being so stubborn or pack his bags, because you don't need a crystal ball to know how this is going. 

I don't think it was true for a lot of those games though. We were much better today than we've been for weeks. 

I appreciate the frustration, but I just don't see it being all that bad as some on here seem to.

[ForeverAndEver 71,480]

Wouldn't bother me if McKay doesn't play again, same with Kranjcar.

Halliday and Hill were our best players imo, not exactly hard though.

[writingranger 1,413]

painful defeat today. We're lacking swagger and a killer touch, but a true rebuilding does take time. It'll take all season, but we'll be the better and stronger for it. The signs are good, but there needs to be more dig & calmer finishing. That'll come, it truly will.

[Clemdog 39,389]

2 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

I don't think it was true for a lot of those games though. We were much better today than we've been for weeks. 

I appreciate the frustration, but I just don't see it being all that bad as some on here seem to.

So we haven't been losing games due to conceding stupid goals? Despite dominating the ball. 

[KingKirk 25,633]

3 minutes ago, ben51 said:

I'm sorry but I simply do not understand this. 

See the part in bold, apart from a few specific parts, this could be the summary to every game we haven't won in the last 6 months, which is 12 out of 17. 

That's why people are annoyed and worried, because it's constantly the same issues game after game. It's unbelievably fucking predictable. We're up against well drilled, fit teams. Who are capable of scoring really good goals. We need to deal with that and learn from that. We're constantly told that we will, but we don't.

I'm not saying we didn't pass the ball well, but that isn't the issue. The issues are we concede goals for fun and can't score. No matter how much we dominate the ball. 

I said it last week and I could have said it after Kilmarnock and I could have said it after Hamilton. Sides don't need to play well against us to get a result. They can all, and they do, come with the same game plan because you can predict exactly what we'll do. 

He needs to stop being so stubborn or pack his bags, because you don't need a crystal ball to know how this is going. 

It is the same issue week after week and that is we miss chances. Aberdeen's goals today don't matter if we take our chances. Waggy Garner Miller MOH and dodoo ain't reliable enough or good enough.

board need to back the manager and he will sort those issues.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,606]

7 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

As I said we can't complain about the performance today.

Aye we can because we got fucking beat,again 

Since when was putting in a good performance more important than 3 points?

[Supersonic 4,654]

1 minute ago, ben51 said:

So we haven't been losing games due to conceding stupid goals? Despite dominating the ball. 

We absolutely have (stupid goals + still dominated the ball I mean) but we have actually looked far better than at the start of the season. That's no consolation whatso-fucking-ever though sadly, if anything, somehow makes it worse 

[The Godfather 71,880]

1 minute ago, writingranger said:

painful defeat today. We're lacking swagger and a killer touch, but a true rebuilding does take time. It'll take all season, but we'll be the better and stronger for it. The signs are good, but there needs to be more dig & calmer finishing. That'll come, it truly will.

What signs? Cuffing lower league sides?

Other than that it's been:

Beat in the Scottish Cup final

Draw at home to Hamilton in league opener

last minute win against Motherwell at Ibrox

Held on late to win at Dundee

Draw against 10 men at Killie

Smashed 5-1 by the tims

Beat by the sheep today

 

so please tell me these signs!?

 

[Clemdog 39,389]

2 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

It is the same issue week after week and that is we miss chances. Aberdeen's goals today don't matter if we take our chances. Waggy Garner Miller MOH and dodoo ain't reliable enough or good enough.

board need to back the manager and he will sort those issues.

You can't just say 'Aberdeen goals today don't matter if we don't take our chances', Kirk.

They put the ball in the net, we didn't.

[ForeverAndEver 71,480]

4 minutes ago, ben51 said:

So we haven't been losing games due to conceding stupid goals? Despite dominating the ball. 

Every goal we have conceded this season apart from the FK today, should have been stopped.

[gazzaa2 4]

We're an  average team at this level, that's the reality.

It was a good team in Division One but Hearts walked it the year before with a young team.

The summer signings were mostly players for that level rather than the top league. Celtic have signed quality in Dembele, Toure and Sinclair who could hold their in the English Premier. We signed players like Hill fit for the knackers yard or average Championship players which is what Garner and Waghorn were at best.

Aberdeen have been a solid top 3 team in the top league for a few years under Mcinnes. We're not better than them.

[The Godfather 71,880]

1 minute ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Aye we can because we got fucking beat,again 

Since when was putting in a good performance more important than 3 points?

We didn't even play that well today. First half was misplaced passed and no bite up top while second half we missed a sitter and scored a pen...we conceded 2 goals though.

Folk are talking about it like we were knocking it about creating chances galore, it's absolute nonsense 

[bornabear 6,202]

"We will have bad times" etc, the words of the great Bill Struth, and we are going through one right now.

"And we will come back stronger", and we will.

[Gandhi1872 186]

4 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

It is the same issue week after week and that is we miss chances. Aberdeen's goals today don't matter if we take our chances. Waggy Garner Miller MOH and dodoo ain't reliable enough or good enough.

board need to back the manager and he will sort those issues.

 

1 minute ago, ben51 said:

You can't just say 'Aberdeen goals today don't matter if we don't take our chances', Kirk.

They put the ball in the net, we didn't.

What clear cut chances did we actually create? We don't do nearly enough with the ball. We are soft in the final third. Garner had a couple and Holt had one but the only one I'd describe as a bad miss was Waghorn's. 

[j1mgg 3,766]

I could understand if we were paying pennies for our team, but we have supposedly got second highest players salary in Scotland.

[thegambler 61]

10 minutes ago, writingranger said:

painful defeat today. We're lacking swagger and a killer touch, but a true rebuilding does take time. It'll take all season, but we'll be the better and stronger for it. The signs are good, but there needs to be more dig & calmer finishing. That'll come, it truly will.

What signs? Our 3 shots on target today? I wish I shared your optimism. 

[kaiser1041 9,088]

If all else fails pull out a bill struth quote.

bill struth would be in that dressing room punching cunts about the place.

[Kai_Johansen 978]

Frustrating game lots of possession with no real goal threat, and always vulnerable at the back.

MW needs to start winning games in the league or no amount of fan goodwill will keep him in a job, at the moments its not good enough!

 

[feda16 136]

Fod-6- Not much to do except pick the ball out of the net, made some saves he was expected to make

Tav- 4 - Out of position for their first goal, offered nothing going forward and at times looked exhausted.

Wilson-6- Some crucial tackles and interception but communication skills alot to be desired  

Hill-7- Seemed to play the game with some ease, read the game well, some no nonsense defending at times when required. A better fit along side Wilson

Wallace -6- Won the penalty, some good running, however against players like McGinn and Hayes his positional awareness needs to be sharper to track runs and possible counter attacks.

Halliday - 7- Tried to take the game to them, plenty of box to box action but nothing in front of him happening, few pop shots outside the box, good to see this rather than try and walk into the net.

Holt -6- quiet game for him but at times broke up the play and his position kept aberdeen pegged further back in the middle of the park. Windass alongside him will be a couple great engines

Forrester -5- No impact on the game, won his lost balls, but no positive play.

McKay -5- Too negative at times, needs either to be more positive in his play or adapt his style and cut in and drive towards goal. Has the talent but lacks the confidence

Waghorn -5- Wasnt good enough, just didnt happen for him, correctly hooked

Garner: -5- Puts himself about, gets stuck in had some of the teams better chances in open play but failed to convert. Either a lack of talent or lack of understanding, either or needs to adapt quick

 

Subs:

Niko -3- Empty jersey, not willing to run, track or win back the ball for the team. Clearly not suited to high tempo or intensity matches

MOH -4- offered nothing, clearly lacks game time at top level, a replacement for McKay should he ever be dropped to allow better and fairer judgement

Miller: 6- Positive play, his ball for the penalty sublime, worrying that we are worrying on a 36 yo striker for this.

 

MW Tactics: Predictable, teams have sussed us out, lack of movement from players up top frustrating at times, players are either too close or too far apart. Time to also have a set piece specialist coach analysis on why every attacking corner we did not win the first ball. I buy into his philosophy but only works if the current group of players respond. 2 wins in 7 would see people baying for McCoist to go, perhaps some of the MW criticism is correct. Has until end of season to prove himself imo.

[Hilly86 701]

8 minutes ago, ben51 said:

... it's constantly the same issues game after game. It's unbelievably fucking predictable. We're up against well drilled, fit teams. Who are capable of scoring really good goals. We need to deal with that and learn from that. We're constantly told that we will, but we don't.

I'm not saying we didn't pass the ball well, but that isn't the issue. The issues are we concede goals for fun and can't score. No matter how much we dominate the ball. 

I said it last week and I could have said it after Kilmarnock and I could have said it after Hamilton. Sides don't need to play well against us to get a result. They can all, and they do, come with the same game plan because you can predict exactly what we'll do. 

He needs to stop being so stubborn or pack his bags, because you don't need a crystal ball to know how this is going. 

I'm resigned to the fact that MW evidently isn't interested in sorting out the defence and that we're not going to get two defenders who can do the basics on their own. It's the fact that we are, nominally, set up to attack, yet be so shite at it: 4-3-3, Halliday considered to be a defensive midfielder in some universe, two others who can't press or tackle, a weakness when they couldn't control the ball after a second touch today.

And that forward line. The wages and transfer fees spent on four strikers, enough to probably pay for their whole team for the season, for a formation where one should play at a time. Waghorn on the right, McKay on the left...he's not learning.

[Smile 26,602]

Aberdeen look shite as well.

[kaiser1041 9,088]

Just now, Smile said:

Aberdeen look shite as well.

They looked very uncomfortable in possession