cr3_bear 14,739 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, BridgeIsBlue said: The day we're content with finishing 2nd is the day we are finished. Grow a pair. Don't think anyone is content with it , looking at it realistically though it is the best we can achieve this season . We haven't even shown any sign of finding form yet and we are staring at a potential 10 point gap . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Bad Robot said: I think the opposite where he will change the team back to a similar starting 11 as we had against QoS. What 11 he picks may give us a slight chance, but it's his tactics he needs to change and he will never do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal&Royal 1 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: The day we're content with finishing 2nd is the day we are finished. Grow a pair. Not one of us will be content with 2nd, I'd bite your hand off for it right now though. Use this season to build then make a charge next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,498 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Loyal&Royal said: Use this season to build then make a charge next season. More free transfers and has beens,fantastic Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim beam 2,188 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, Loyal&Royal said: Not one of us will be content with 2nd, I'd bite your hand off for it right now though. Use this season to build then make a charge next season. We should have been making a charge this season not struggling against the dross that makes up this leauge.the lack of investment in the team is shocking and the managerial decisions are equally shocking,what makes you think that these major problems will be resolved for next season so we can finally make a charge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooseman 889 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Bad Robot said: Potentially ten off 1st but the facts are we're only 3 points from 2nd place so everyone needs to calm the fck down. Yes we're missing chances and yes we could do with better defenders but there's a long way to go. If we start slipping into the realms of 8,9,10 points behind 2nd then yes we have a massive problem with major decisions to make but we're not near that yet. We're all frustrated but we just need to bide our time and 3 wins out of 3 for the next few games can really give us some believe again. We fight on. While I completely agree with you, you cannot legislate for panic merchants and shite spouting fuckwits that come on here and blow a gasket because their expectations are not met. Honestly you would think that it's the end of the fucking world with some people on here. We have only played a handful of league games and lost twice. No one mentions that the Hamilton game were were down to 10 men when waggy went off injured. And we were on the ascendency at that point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf the Blue 1,384 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 For a bit of perspective. I checked Hearts start to their first season back. 15 points from a possible 21. Wins against St Johnstone, Dundee, Motherwell, Ross County and Partick Thistle, then losses to Hamilton and ICT. Now with a bigger budget we should be at least replicating this kind of form. I think the manager should get time to turn it around, but the pressure is on big time for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal&Royal 1 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, jim beam said: We should have been making a charge this season not struggling against the dross that makes up this leauge.the lack of investment in the team is shocking and the managerial decisions are equally shocking,what makes you think that these major problems will be resolved for next season so we can finally make a charge? Major problems ? If you said to me we'd be 3 points off 2nd place at the end of September I'd have been fine with that. Flip it on it's head and say we've been nowhere near top form yet we're only 3 points off 2nd. We were never going to challenge this year, I didn't expect it and neither did the guys I go to the games with. Aberdeen and hearts are notoriously inconsistent, we find a bit of form then 2nd is well within our grasp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,739 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Gooseman said: While I completely agree with you, you cannot legislate for panic merchants and shite spouting fuckwits that come on here and blow a gasket because their expectations are not met. Honestly you would think that it's the end of the fucking world with some people on here. We have only played a handful of league games and lost twice. No one mentions that the Hamilton game were were down to 10 men when waggy went off injured. And we were on the ascendency at that point. Could also mention that in the Kilmarnock game they were down to ten men for half an hour of the game aswell if you wish , you couldn't even tell we had an extra man and changed nothing in our play or set up to take advantage of the extra man . I am all for being realistic but the team deserves the criticism for what has been an abysmal start to the season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dangerously 7,562 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Loyal&Royal said: Major problems ? If you said to me we'd be 3 points off 2nd place at the end of September I'd have been fine with that. Flip it on it's head and say we've been nowhere near top form yet we're only 3 points off 2nd. We were never going to challenge this year, I didn't expect it and neither did the guys I go to the games with. Aberdeen and hearts are notoriously inconsistent, we find a bit of form then 2nd is well within our grasp. I was certainly looking for a challenge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,592 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Loyal&Royal said: Major problems ? If you said to me we'd be 3 points off 2nd place at the end of September I'd have been fine with that. Flip it on it's head and say we've been nowhere near top form yet we're only 3 points off 2nd. We were never going to challenge this year, I didn't expect it and neither did the guys I go to the games with. Aberdeen and hearts are notoriously inconsistent, we find a bit of form then 2nd is well within our grasp. Nine points from twenty-one this season and have a Goal Difference of Minus three, Scoring Eight goals. Only two teams have scored less than us this season. who would be fine with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim beam 2,188 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Loyal&Royal said: Major problems ? If you said to me we'd be 3 points off 2nd place at the end of September I'd have been fine with that. Flip it on it's head and say we've been nowhere near top form yet we're only 3 points off 2nd. We were never going to challenge this year, I didn't expect it and neither did the guys I go to the games with. Aberdeen and hearts are notoriously inconsistent, we find a bit of form then 2nd is well within our grasp. If but maybe,we are sitting seventh right now and have played some of the easier teams and came up short that is not good enough.and I can not see any signs that we will all of a sudden start playing and scoring and defending in games. As of right now I have no faith that we will not ship goals and lose more points although we will have the most possession as if that alone will get us three points.As for not winning the league this year then yes I didn't really think we would but I did fully expect to push the scum all the way rather than the reality of them strolling to another championship as if we aren't even in the same league as them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Loyal&Royal said: Major problems ? If you said to me we'd be 3 points off 2nd place at the end of September I'd have been fine with that. Flip it on it's head and say we've been nowhere near top form yet we're only 3 points off 2nd. We were never going to challenge this year, I didn't expect it and neither did the guys I go to the games with. Aberdeen and hearts are notoriously inconsistent, we find a bit of form then 2nd is well within our grasp. You'd seriously have been happy with that despite the kind fixture list we had to start with? I'd say the general feeling was we had a great chance to get maximum points in the games outwith parkhead and pittodrie, instead we've ended up with only two wins It's very well saying with hindsight 'we were never going to challenge' but the management and players all built up the possibility of a challenge and season tickets were sold using the 'going for 55' line, not to mention our transfer dealings were meant to give us that bit extra needed. Not that a challenge was ever going to be easy I'm sure everyone realised that but surely we could have expected better then it being over by the end of September? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Gaffbear said: Last season.we zipped the ball around at pace and our front 3 interchanged.. Now Garner is static and he's always trying to fit Niko in or previously Barton. I'd drop Garner and mckay and Tav. ..replace with windass moh and Hodson. Ohalloran forester and waggy can interchange at the front with windass halliday and Holt in the middle ...young quick and all able to play each others roles . Was happy to sign MOH as an option but he's produced minus nothing in every cameo role he's played in the league so far.He'll never get the run in the team he requires and so far hasn't merited it. Yesterday for example he was invisible though I'm sure he did come on at some point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, ianferguson said: Was happy to sign MOH as an option but he's produced minus nothing in every cameo role he's played in the league so far.He'll never get the run in the team he requires and so far hasn't merited it. Yesterday for example he was invisible though I'm sure he did come on at some point. No point in targeting any individual players and as for MOH, there is far worse than him and he has been treated abysmally. How many has he played in our abysmal performances? That's right, not many, so how you can single him out beggars belief. The problem is one of management, end of! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Moobs said: Mate I hope your right and I would loved to be proved wrong but I can't see us turning it round. Constant poor team selections and tactics, bad substitutions and the biggest problem is that defensively we are fuckin rank and it ain't going to get better. We live in hope though that I'm talking one load of shite I know what your saying but we will turn the corner or MW will be getting his jotters but it's 7 league games in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Bad Robot said: Potentially ten off 1st but the facts are we're only 3 points from 2nd place so everyone needs to calm the fck down. Yes we're missing chances and yes we could do with better defenders but there's a long way to go. If we start slipping into the realms of 8,9,10 points behind 2nd then yes we have a massive problem with major decisions to make but we're not near that yet. We're all frustrated but we just need to bide our time and 3 wins out of 3 for the next few games can really give us some believe again. We fight on. The problem is, for us to NOT go into 8,9,10 point gap, were going to have to go on a mad winning streak. Were in september and so far behind already . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, gersandy said: The problem is, for us to NOT go into 8,9,10 point gap, were going to have to go on a mad winning streak. Were in september and so far behind already . We're so far behind the scum but only one match away from 2nd place not taking into consideration our poor goal difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misteral 2,930 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It's very early in the season and it seems to me that this thread comes down to whether you are optimistic about us really challenging for 2nd place as things stand and believe in the players and management or pessimistic in that without real change we are pretty much fucked this season. I'm more on the positive side, it is only three points off second, and I think we'll be happy enough at the start of the new year. Hopefully some cash will be available to strengthen the team at that time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You can always say these things in the early part of the season when not many points have been played for yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 7 hours ago, NamibianBear said: We are only 3 from 2nd and only 4 from bottom. Which probably shows you it's far too early to have some of the reactions the usual suspects on here are displaying... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Morrison 64 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, Creampuff said: Which probably shows you it's far too early to have some of the reactions the usual suspects on here are displaying... The reactions are understandable though. Nothing wrong with high standards. But I agree, this season has to be put into perspective: not one opposition side has been impressive, not one. We're not firing on all cylinders, yes, of that there is no question. But it will come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,851 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, Creampuff said: Which probably shows you it's far too early to have some of the reactions the usual suspects on here are displaying... Being 7th after this many games would lead anyone to question the manager/team/board/tea lady. If we are still less than 5th by the end of October, I doubt we will still have the same manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 57 minutes ago, NamibianBear said: Being 7th after this many games would lead anyone to question the manager/team/board/tea lady. If we are still less than 5th by the end of October, I doubt we will still have the same manager. What if we're 5th but still 3 behind 2nd? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,851 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Bad Robot said: What if we're 5th but still 3 behind 2nd? I said less than 5th But seriously, our fans are not used to failure and will be calling for MW's head soon if results don't start coming in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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