heathen fish boy 8,579 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 20 minutes ago, Bears r us said: The chances that selick did not point their players in the direction of this scheme are nimiscule IMO, and we need to keep this highlighted as much possibly. Karma can indeed be a bitch. https://mobile.twitter.com/pzj_54/status/786228900602847232?p=v oh dear Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, heathen fish boy said: https://mobile.twitter.com/pzj_54/status/786228900602847232?p=v oh dear Gies a clue..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Gies a clue..... Bellamy signed up a month after signing with the savilles Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, magic8ball said: Bellamy signed up a month after signing with the savilles Thought it had been established it was within 2 days..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,137 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Nothing will come with this, except they can't brag about us being the only tax cheats, classic case of people living in glass houses and throwing stones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen fish boy 8,579 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 33 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Gies a clue..... If I remember correctly Mr Harris was a financial consultant for the bheasts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Virtuoso said: As much as I want the Bheasts fucked for anything (I would hang the cunts for a parking ticket), this is it in a nutshell and as much as it pains me - it's in no way comparable to us using EBT's. Liewell will just claim that Bheast FC paid their wages and deducted tax at source - with HMRC receiving full tax and NI contributions...with the individuals themselves opting to pay into a scheme. Club honoured it's full fiscal duties blah blah blah. If HMRC are successful in going after anyone who used this scheme, then there's quite a few of our ex-players who will also be receiving a letter through the door. Liewell can claim all he wants in relation to the clubs activity, but the fact he himself was in on it suggests there's more ties to the club than merely individuals conducting their own tax affairs. It can reasonably lead to the accusation that the club were providing advice to employees on personal tax management. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: Liewell can claim all he wants in relation to the clubs activity, but the fact he himself was in on it suggests there's more ties to the club than merely individuals conducting their own tax affairs. It can reasonably lead to the accusation that the club were providing advice to employees on personal tax management. That's fine, but at the same time it could be argued that we were doing the exact same (whilst also using EBT's): It's all very well wanting the Bheasts hung out to dry over this, but you have to be careful when you poke a hornets nest t ensure that you're not getting bitten yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza1212 1,212 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 24 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said: Nothing will come with this, except they can't brag about us being the only tax cheats, classic case of people living in glass houses and throwing stones. Not having a go here mate, honestly but can you tell me why nothing will come of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,227 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Peter Lawwell is Scottish Footballs Al Capone. Tax evation eventually landed him in jail... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Desmond Dermont Money laundering story in my opinion is one that could do damage to them though......... Desmond and his money laundering allegation being looked into!................I Wonder where he could've laundered his money. Not like he's a major shareholder or investor at a football team. Oh wait...TICK TOCK! http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14694593.Celtic_s_biggest_shareholder_under_pressure_on_bank____money_laundering___/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Gazza1212 said: Not having a go here mate, honestly but can you tell me why nothing will come of it? Because it was down to the individuals concerned, not the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 20 minutes ago, Virtuoso said: That's fine, but at the same time it could be argued that we were doing the exact same (whilst also using EBT's): It's all very well wanting the Bheasts hung out to dry over this, but you have to be careful when you poke a hornets nest t ensure that you're not getting bitten yourself. Nobody is arguing any of that, but we got a kicking over it and sanctions imposed while the mhanks will not hear a cheep from the SFA and SPFL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Nobody is arguing any of that, but we got a kicking over it and sanctions imposed while the mhanks will not hear a cheep from the SFA and SPFL. No we didn't. We got sanctioned and kicked over something completely different. They're in no way comparable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heshootshescores 1,904 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 hours ago, siddiqi_drinker said: More chance of me shagging Scarlett Johansson than anything coming of this, however, let's keep it highline and see if sporting integrity is mentioned. Scarlett Johansson eh?.. Well remember without pics it didnae happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The real point is that every rich cunt tries to avoid paying tax, including people associated with football, but that we're the only ones associated with football that get a kicking for it. Oleg's post in the other thread in the General Sports section is spot on. There's a fishy sequence of events where sellic start using EBTs, stop pretty quickly just as they are speaking to an important govt official about becoming their Chairman, then start using these schemes instead. Chances are that they saw the potential difficulties of EBTs and probably got wind of upcoming investigations of them, stopped them, and decided to use something else that kept liability at arm's length. They're no daft. Likelihood is it'll be successful, and all it'll give us is some point scoring ammo, and maybe a bit of a red face for some of them, but they won't suffer the way we have. They fucked sporting integrity up the ass (the ideal, that is, not the OP) as much as anyone, only they were smarter about how they did it before then encouraging the assault on us for the EBTs, with 5 way agreements, title stripping and all that. Sleekit bastards, but good at what they do. It's them that have establishment contacts these days, and I suspect they've used them very well over the last 10 to 15 years or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Virtuoso said: Because it was down to the individuals concerned, not the club. This may be an in road though http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14694593.Celtic_s_biggest_shareholder_under_pressure_on_bank____money_laundering___/ I Wonder where he could've laundered his money. Not like he's a major shareholder or investor at a football team. Oh wait We need to do as they do and keep throwing the mud some WILL stick! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,647 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why has this not been reported and followed up on before this? Somebody suppressing it ! Courageous ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluchoo 846 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said: Nobody is arguing any of that, but we got a kicking over it and sanctions imposed while the mhanks will not hear a cheep from the SFA and SPFL. No we didnt....we got it for something far more serious...comparing the 2 is chalk and cheese. Loads of well off people from all walks of life use/used these tax avoidance methods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Mongoose said: This may be an in road though http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14694593.Celtic_s_biggest_shareholder_under_pressure_on_bank____money_laundering___/ I Wonder where he could've laundered his money. Not like he's a major shareholder or investor at a football team. Oh wait We need to do as they do and keep throwing the mud some WILL stick! Dermot is a billionaire, he owns a bank ffs - so why would he launder a few million through septic fc? As I said previously, I want them fucked over at every opportunity but at least if you're going to throw mud then make sure it at least has a chance of sticking; i.e their cover up of child abuse for example or the deals involving Westhorn. I'm actually shaking my head in disbelief at Bears on here and Twitter creaming themselves at this non-event. Yes, players may be liable (our own included) but to think that this is their 'EBT' moment is being naive in the extreme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, centenarystand said: Peter Lawwell is Scottish Footballs Al Capone. Tax evation eventually landed him in jail... There's huge differences between tax evasion and tax avoidance. As an aside and from a personal viewpoint, if it's possible for someone to reduce the amount of tax they pay to the absolute minimum then it's their sacred duty to do so. It is in fact the morally right thing to do (but that's for another time). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,455 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Virtuoso said: No we didn't. We got sanctioned and kicked over something completely different. They're in no way comparable. Perhaps not the same, but they are definitely comparable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Virtuoso said: Dermot is a billionaire, he owns a bank ffs - so why would he launder a few million through septic fc? How do we know it's only a 'Few' Million?.........amount is irrelevant the Act is what is wrong.........remember Craig Whyte was a 'Billionaire' as well........why would he fuck off the Taxman for a few 'Million'.........Keep fighting,NO SURRENDER! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza1212 1,212 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Virtuoso said: Because it was down to the individuals concerned, not the club. I understand that entirely, however given the timing some of their players "chose" to join such schemes surely it could be argued there was more than a hint of coincidence they did so while in the employ of bheast fc.? No smoke without fire etc and I certainly don't believe for a minute they are without fault on this. If hypothetically, it were proven they were privatly promoting tax avoidance in any form the repercussions would be hugely embarassing for them at the very least. A lot of the media driven slander aimed at us was unsubstantiated shite but even that insinuation damaged us none the less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,138 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 5 hours ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Gareth Southgate is current England manager so it's front page stuff again. Oh and hmrc win in court and can now go after them all individually. 5 hours ago, magic8ball said: There was a court ruling in early August ,I saw the ticker tape on BBC news run with this when I was away on holiday 4 hours ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: Of course- hmrc has just won the tribunal - pay up bhoys ??? Cheers , didn't know . Amazing how it takes action elsewhere before the press here start to take serious note of it . Let's hope something comes of it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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