the goal machine 7,794 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 The manager's subs never seem to positively influence a game, it's fucking infuriating. The only exception to the rule I can think of is Kranjcar v Motherwell maybe. I'm not calling for MW's head but it's something that's becoming impossible to deny imo. Even on Sunday, the subs did nothing and arguably helped Celtic. We should have got fresh legs in midfield, not replacing all of our front three like for like. It's a huge part of the game, especially when we consistently give away the first goal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 minute ago, the goal machine said: The manager's subs never seem to positively influence a game, it's fucking infuriating. The only exception to the rule I can think of is Kranjcar v Motherwell maybe. I'm not calling for MW's head but it's something that's becoming impossible to deny imo. Even on Sunday, the subs did nothing and arguably helped Celtic. We should have got fresh legs in midfield, not replacing all of our front three like for like. It's a huge part of the game, especially when he consistently give away the first goal. The like for like thing is so annoying. You'd think when he brings Miller on and Garner is still on, yes we are going 442, but Kenny Miller ends up LW? Left fucking wing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsygers44 22 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Brutal truth about Sunday is 1 manager makes changes to try score a goal and succeeds the other goes like for like plan A usual same old same old Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc1990 1,140 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Holt and Halliday should have came off tonight. Both played poor. MW has his favourites, who play poor constantly, players not getting games must be wondering what they need to do to get a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,794 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, WGOH said: The like for like thing is so annoying. You'd think when he brings Miller on and Garner is still on, yes we are going 442, but Kenny Miller ends up LW? Left fucking wing. Aye, everyone could see their defence struggled when someone ran at them so why bring on a 36 year old striker to play on the wing? Madness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
To Be A Ranger 4,032 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 27 minutes ago, WGOH said: The like for like thing is so annoying. You'd think when he brings Miller on and Garner is still on, yes we are going 442, but Kenny Miller ends up LW? Left fucking wing. A waste of a substitution. Why the fuck does MW think Miller can play left wing. He did it at the piggery and hasn't learned from it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I didn't think I could feel much lower, then I saw Barry McKay getting stripped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM 20,892 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, rfc1990 said: Holt and Halliday should have came off tonight. Both played poor. MW has his favourites, who play poor constantly, players not getting games must be wondering what they need to do to get a chance. Thought Holt played ok to be honest, but fuck knows what Halliday is doing at the moment, just running about aimlessly, losing the ball and gurning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,208 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Apart from O'Halloran (who tried)....I would have subbed the fuckin lot of them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP84JRL 1,082 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Av no seen a tactical sub fa Warburton yit. Seems like it gets to 60-65 mins then he decides to give a few players a game just to keep them happy. Never seen a manager sub players every game at the same time just for the sake of it. Its like fucking groundhog day Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,526 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 My main point of bafflement was how Forrester stayed on so long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,448 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 30 minutes ago, WATP84JRL said: Av no seen a tactical sub fa Warburton yit. Seems like it gets to 60-65 mins then he decides to give a few players a game just to keep them happy. Never seen a manager sub players every game at the same time just for the sake of it. Its like fucking groundhog day Its because he manages in theories (optimum time for fitness reasons) and not by using what he sees happening infront of him with his own eyes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Hodson, Holt and Forrester were the worst players on the park, yet only one of them came off and it was for the equally ineffective McKay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa6995 3,644 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 How Halliday and Holt lasted the 90 fuck only knows. Baffling subs again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,229 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Why the fuck did we put a sub on with 8 mins left, a fuckin sub at that time is normally to see a game out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldoKrfc 106 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I am a massive Warburton fan but that is something that annoyed me tonight. Thought Windass was looking like he was ready to get a grip of the game and then he is pulled off. I also thought Garner was looking dangerous and linking up effectively with the midfield when he was taken off. I didn't have any problems with who was going on but more the players that were being taken off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 4,654 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, BlueboyG said: Why the fuck did we put a sub on with 8 mins left, a fuckin sub at that time is normally to see a game out. It felt like we were trying to see it out Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 12,905 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Mackay came on and played at centre half,miller fuck noes where and waghorn as a talentless winger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,373 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, BlueAvenger said: Apart from O'Halloran (who tried)....I would have subbed the fuckin lot of them Don't think that's allowed, mate. Taking Garner off was stupid as fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 It really simple Warburton is not a first team coach/manager. Hes a Head of Academy level coach who is way out of his depth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,771 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, the goal machine said: The manager's subs never seem to positively influence a game, it's fucking infuriating. The only exception to the rule I can think of is Kranjcar v Motherwell maybe. I'm not calling for MW's head but it's something that's becoming impossible to deny imo. Even on Sunday, the subs did nothing and arguably helped Celtic. We should have got fresh legs in midfield, not replacing all of our front three like for like. It's a huge part of the game, especially when we consistently give away the first goal. I agree, I hate to make this comparison but Look at Celtic subs on Sunday, Bitton, good tackler and held the ball up well replaced with Armstrong who was good at going forward. So giving up some midfield control for some forward aggression which 0-0 at 60 is a good idea. and at that, Rodgers would have already seen our midfield having a nightmare. So no loss there. Rogic, a big goal threat. Made a good amount of efforts on goal replaced with Griffiths another big goal scoring threat. Anything lost? Not at all. The last sub was just time wasting though, so tactically that's sound too. Celtic are our rivals, and one thing we will need to get right is subs. They can massively impact a game but for example tonight, Windass went off and Miller came on. More lost than gained there in all honesty. Another possible goal scorer but Windass was someone who is direct and started attacks. Miller doesn't have that same aspect of his game, he's better suited on the end result of a midfielders attack. Forrester taken off for McKay. This one is a more of a straight swap in terms of position but forrester for me is definitely a scrappy player and did at least try to take on opponents. McKay didn't, he stayed in our own half more often than not. Garner off for Waghorn. Taken off the goalscorer for someone who hasn't been having the best of runs, and at so late in the game where chances were few and far between. We were getting mileage and our first goal came from crosses. Waghorn has a tendency to walk the ball into the box. so our tactics just aren't right. We don't gain anything from our subs, if anything we lose more than we gain. Windass did take a knock so it could've been a cautionary thing but after he got some medical attention he came on and looked best he did all game. Again I hate bringing up celtic as a comparison but we do need to swallow our pride and admit they do have something right that we are currently needing to aspire too. They lose virtually nothing in their subs and are able to make 8 changes and still comfortably beat a team 0-3 away from home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstamomusa 3,809 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, AldoKrfc said: I am a massive Warburton fan but that is something that annoyed me tonight. Thought Windass was looking like he was ready to get a grip of the game and then he is pulled off. I also thought Garner was looking dangerous and linking up effectively with the midfield when he was taken off. I didn't have any problems with who was going on but more the players that were being taken off. I thought Windass was limping when he came off, I think that was why he was subbed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugar_free_pizza 402 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 we need some youth players in our side, however just like past managers they seem to be over looked never understand why we even have a youth team, they never see the light of day Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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