JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, theiconicman said: Scotland and England are separate countries but one nation. Nope. One country, the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Who the fuck cares? We are Scottish and British. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theiconicman 2,975 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, JCDBigBear said: No it is a sovereign state of former countries which were amalgamated into one country. Contradicts everything I was taught. We're a single nation (British as per passport) but 3 individual countries. So I call this bullshit, sorry. Edit: Plus, how can one country have 2 devolved parliaments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, JCDBigBear said: No it is a sovereign state of former countries which were amalgamated into one country. Nope it's a sovereign state of 3 countries and a province - the situation being made more complex by law as there were separate laws in England and Wales which then were amalgamated ( and then separated again) making wakes a pro Vance of England for a time and Scotland has its on legal system but we are separate countries run by a singular agreed parliamentary authority. Anyway back to the op we are separate countries from a UEFA / FIFA POV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckD 153 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Scotland isn't a Country...ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: He wasn't correct as I had referred to 1707 when Great Britain was the name to be used for our country after the Union. He is under the misapprehension that Scotland and England are still separate countries. Great Britain is not a country, it is a landmass. Scotland and England are countries, not nation states. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 44 minutes ago, Corky True Legend said: Great Britain is not a country, it is a landmass. Scotland and England are countries, not nation states. Great Britain was the name given to the entire country in 1707 at the Union of the parliaments. It constituted England Wales and Scotland. It would also have included islands. Below from the Articles of Union 1707. ‘That the two Kingdoms of (fn. 1) Scotland and England, shall, upon the first Day of May next ensuing the Date hereof, and for ever after, be united into one Kingdom by the Name of Great-Britain The Acts of Union 1800 brought Ireland on board and the entire country became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. After the republic left in the 1920s the name of our sovereign state became what we are still known as today and what is on your British passport, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, ChuckD said: Scotland isn't a Country...ffs It isn't. If it was a country in its own right we wouldn't have had the referendum 2 years ago. Scotland and England are no more separate countries than say Saxony or Bavaria in Germany or Catalonia in Spain or any states in the USA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said: Nope it's a sovereign state of 3 countries and a province - the situation being made more complex by law as there were separate laws in England and Wales which then were amalgamated ( and then separated again) making wakes a pro Vance of England for a time and Scotland has its on legal system but we are separate countries run by a singular agreed parliamentary authority. Anyway back to the op we are separate countries from a UEFA / FIFA POV. You are correct in the last sentence but as for the status of the UK and its make up, you need a history lesson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 This is comfortably the worst page on this entire site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,716 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Fuck Scotland Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 7 hours ago, eejay the dj said: Cushy . The question would be . Would it be Rangers that turned up though . I'm not so sure it would be .We may differ on opinions over this . I still believe , we are nothing at the big table . The corruption since we lost any power we had few years back will be with us probably till the day I die No offence mate, but wish you'd hurry up - the last 41/2 years is taking a fucking lifetime. WATP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: You are correct in the last sentence but as for the status of the UK and its make up, you need a history lesson. Na confident enough that I understand the historical, legal, political and semantics of the issue - something you clearly don't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 15,998 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Well this thread has been truly derailed. much as I hate those fuckers, we only work internationally as a pair. shite TV and sponsorship deals in the last few years proves that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo1872 4,065 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 12/5/2016 at 7:40 AM, gersandy said: Some sort of european league WILL happen. Whether or not us and celtic are in it is another question. Celtic probably...us maybe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poetry_In_Blue 1,043 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 7 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Great Britain was the name given to the entire country in 1707 at the Union of the parliaments. It constituted England Wales and Scotland. It would also have included islands. Below from the Articles of Union 1707. ‘That the two Kingdoms of (fn. 1) Scotland and England, shall, upon the first Day of May next ensuing the Date hereof, and for ever after, be united into one Kingdom by the Name of Great-Britain The Acts of Union 1800 brought Ireland on board and the entire country became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. After the republic left in the 1920s the name of our sovereign state became what we are still known as today and what is on your British passport, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. You forgot to mention Cornwall, which technically isn't a part of England Irrespective I served in the British Army and swore an allegiance to the Queen but from a sporting perspective, apart from events such as the Olympics where it is Great Britain that competes NOT Scotland, England and Wales, we are deemed to be separate nations and I really don't care what anyone else thinks I personally think it's good that we are back at these meetings and I doubt it has anything to do with Celtic but more to do with these other countries who respect us as a club and our history and tradition and are not blinded by the narrow mindedness that you find in Scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace 3,556 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Talk about going off point !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckD 153 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Better get in the phone to Downing St "The official site of the Prime Minister's Office".... countries within a country The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Its full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. ps let's just agree to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,809 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 8 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said: Na confident enough that I understand the historical, legal, political and semantics of the issue - something you clearly don't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 There really aren't many clubs around Europe who could get the guts of 50,000 at every home game ... especially if they played in such a diddy wee league Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZed 4,510 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 For a new league to be successful it needs clubs that have big supports, generate interest around the world, has a long history of success and has a nemesis (to generate more interest). Rangers tick all these boxes, we will help shape any new league that has us in it as we are one of the biggest clubs around. Our attendances are in the high 40k plus at our home games, we have just come through one of the most difficult period/event that any club could, our story is known world wide now, we set records for our attendance in our equivalent leagues worldwide and most teams in Europe would give their eye teeth for that kind of loyal support. Anyone setting up a league that people want to watch, needs clubs like Rangers without them they will fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 who would you rather have in this - Bournemouth or Rangers? they just beat Liverpool and are in the EPL but, the max home attendance is below 12K and no cunt outside of the UK has heard of them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroNiko 53 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just put the baw in the back of the net ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooperGers 3 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just hope we can get our act together and get back in it! I know it will come eventually but hopefully sooner rather than later! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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