Malky MacKay influences Dave Whelan - racist comments.

[OlegKuznetsov 10,816]

Wigan's Dave Whelan stokes new 'racist' row

WIGAN owner Dave Whelan has poured petrol on the flames of the Malky Makay racism and anti-semitism row by airing his own astonishing antiquated views on the subjects.

By: Jon West Published: Thu, November 20, 2014

PA Dave Whelan has become involved in a fresh storm

Whelan claimed Jews "chase money more than everybody else" and that it is not offensive to call Asians "chinks".

The 77-year-old owner of the JJB sports shop chain had come under fire for appointing Mackay while the Scot was under investigation by the Football Association.

That centred around a series of email and text exchanges made by Mackay when he was manager of Cardiff City last season, and the club's then-director of football Iain Moody.

Those included using the word 'chink' in relation to Cardiff owner Vincent Tan, who is Malaysian,and claiming that an agent who was Jewish was keen not to let money slip through his fingers.

Eyebrows were raised when Whelan decided to appoint Mackay as Uwe Rosler's successor at the Championship club before the investigation had been concluded.

But much light appears to have been shed on that after Whelan insisted in a newspaper interview that he saw little wrong with the controversial comments.

Club sponsors clearly do not agree however as kitchen appliances firm Premier Range, whose names had been on the players' shirts, ended it's association with the club.

It's offensive, I'm struggling to accept it

West Ham co-owner David Gold

Whelan tried to insist the furore over using the word 'chink' was a fuss about nothing.

"If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying," Whelan said. "There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies."

His views on Jewish people were no less extraordinary.

"I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don't think that's offensive at all," he said.

Mackay had made the comment about Phil Smith, a Jewish agent but Whelan added: "It's telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money."

His remarks cut no ice with West Ham co-owner David Gold, whose father was Jewish.

He said: "It's offensive, I'm struggling to accept it and there it is in black and white. It's undeniable."

Simon Johnson, the former FA and Premier League executive, who is now the chief executive at the Jewish Leadership Council, immediately challenged Whelan to think again.

He tweeted: "I call on Dave Whelan to withdraw and apologize for his use of disgraceful anti-semitic language."

Condemnation was also forthcoming from Jenny Wong, director of the Manchester Chinese Centre, an organisation which promotes Chinese community cultural understanding,

"I remember at school in the 70s a skinhead kicking me, calling me 'chinky, chinky,'" Wong said. "It has stopped now; things have changed for the better.

"We have legal protection against racism and that is important; it is not political correctness. As a football manager, this man should not have said it."

It now appears that Whelan decided to appoint Mackay because he had been assured that no major sanctions will be imposed once the investigation's findings are published.

This is because the exchanges were in private communications, which the FA chairman Greg Dyke has previously said in relation to sexist emails sent by Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore, are beyond the organisation's disciplinary processes.

Kick It Out chairman Lord Herman Ousley was unhappy at the suggestion that senior figures at the FA had briefed Whelan to that effect.

"If this is true, the FA has been found wanting yet again," Ousley said. "To give that sort of advice would be acting in collusion with comments that have clearly damaged football, while leaving everybody else in the dark respecting that due process is taking place."

The governing body quickly issued a statement insisting that was not the case.

It read: "We wish to make it clear the FA investigation into the conduct of Malky Mackay and Iain Moody remains ongoing and no assurances have been given by the FA as to the outcome of this case.

"The FA is still investigating whether these messages indicate a culture in which other acts of a discriminatory nature may have taken place. This process inevitably takes time. Both Mr Mackay and Mr Moody are fully co-operating with the ongoing process."

Kick It Out last night called upon the FA to take action against Whelan.

A statement read: “He has brought into question whether he is a fit and proper person who should be running a professional football club.

“The remarks act as another example of the culture which continues to exist within football, and further proves that some in positions of power seem comfortable sharing those views either privately or publicly. These comments must not go unchallenged and have to be investigated by The FA.

“The FA also needs to get to the bottom of Whelan’s insistence that he has been in contact with ‘influential’ figures within its own organisation about the Malky Mackay and Iain Moody case. They must ascertain whether his claims have any substance by conducting an investigation into this too.”

[.Williamson. 82,009]

Who gives a fuck

[OlegKuznetsov 10,816]

Who gives a fuck

Malky Mackay!

He'll be fucking delighted that's he's found a safe position, given his own problems in the area.

[Fiogh 178]

Must always be the 1950's in Dave's house. Jeezo.

[bluedylan 11,555]

Must always be the 1950's in Dave's house. Jeezo.

No but it is a generational thing to be fair .

[Blueshoff 11,750]

His remarks cut no ice with West Ham co-owner David Gold, whose father was Jewish.

He said: "It's offensive, I'm struggling to accept it and there it is in black and white. It's undeniable."

Ha ha the pot calling the kettle .....er ..................... oh well anyway!

[ScottBF2 3,540]

Why is chinks racist?

[JamieD 18,890]

He's on the telly giving it the "I've got Jewish friends" line now

Just shut up, Dave. Sit this one out.

[West_Side 1,571]

Such bizzare things to say. Even if he holds those views, surely in this day and age he'd have the common sense not to actually say that to the papers.

What did he think was going to happen?

[AGM_72 3,609]

He trotted out the "I must've given about 50 interviews that day" excuse too. Because, obviously, when you're tired of interviews eventually you're worn down and become a racist twat.

[JamieD 18,890]

He trotted out the "I must've given about 50 interviews that day" excuse too. Because, obviously, when you're tired of interviews eventually you're worn down and become a racist twat.

Douglas Carswell was on Question Time last night making the exact same excuse for Mark Reckless saying UKIP would repatriate immigrants, saying he was very tired when he said it. Some woman in the audience asked the glaring question - "Do we want an MP who becomes a racist every time he's tired?"

[Marky. 6,923]

Very disappointed in this whole saga. Poor appointment which brought bad press, just gets even worse from there.

Family friendly club no more, don't think I'll be down for a while.

[.Williamson. 82,009]

I personally don't see the problem with the word "chink".

Like if somebody called me a white bastard or even an orange bastard in relation to the community I am from I wouldn't care. World is made up of absolute worst cunts now

[sandyinroyalblue 16,478]

Football supporters get banned from football grounds and sometimes jailed for racist chants.

Managers,players,owners,etc say what they want and get off scot free,all the campaigns the clubs take part in are just bullshit really.

[mabawsa 888]

Must always be the 1950's in Dave's house. Jeezo.

More like the 70's. Probably Dave Whelan's favourite show.....

[folkestoneger 8,084]

Douglas Carswell was on Question Time last night making the exact same excuse for Mark Reckless saying UKIP would repatriate immigrants, saying he was very tired when he said it. Some woman in the audience asked the glaring question - "Do we want an MP who becomes a racist every time he's tired?"

What the hell is racist about wanting to repatriate immigrants?

Do some of these idiots even know the definition of the word?

[JamieD 18,890]

What the hell is racist about wanting to repatriate immigrants?

Do some of these idiots even know the definition of the word?

Absolutely everything, if you're doing it simply because they're immigrants, regardless of whether or not their being here is a good thing.

[Tontospal 1,116]

Whelan's comments reminded me of an old Rangers song with the opening line:

'We can sign a Texan Ranger, a Cheyenne or a Sioux'

I won't post the rest of the lyrics as the PC brigade will go loopy.

[folkestoneger 8,084]

Absolutely everything, if you're doing it simply because they're immigrants, regardless of whether or not their being here is a good thing.

racism

noun UK /ˈreɪ.sɪ.zəm/ (UK old-fashioned racialism)disapproving US

the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races:

Immigrant is not a race.

If he had said we will deport all Africans or all Asians you would have a point but he didn't.The vast majority of immigrants from the EU are caucasian the same race as Douglas Carswell.

[JamieD 18,890]

racism

noun UK /ˈreɪ.sɪ.zəm/ (UK old-fashioned racialism)disapproving US

the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races:

Immigrant is not a race.

If he had said we will deport all Africans or all Asians you would have a point but he didn't.The vast majority of immigrants from the EU are caucasian the same race as Douglas Carswell.

You seem like a smart chap, I'm sure you're aware that the word "racism" as used by pretty much everybody applies to ethnic discrimination as well as colour discrimination. This isn't the 19th century. Race isn't defined as "whites" and "coloureds". The fact you brought up caucasians shows how simplistic your definition of race is. You do know that Indians are caucasians? Jews too. And Arabs. "The vast majority of immigrants from the EU" are not white British, thus they are a different ethnicity, thus prejudice and discrimination against them on ethnic grounds is racism, as the word is commonly used by anybody not defending themselves from accusations of racism. When Nigel Farage talks about Romanians like they all think and act the same way, and that way is criminal, and when he distinguishes this way of thinking and acting from the way his German wife thinks, and says "you know which one you would want living next door to you", that is racism. This might be inconvenient for you, but fortunately words mean what they are taken to mean by the majority, not by one person with a vested interest in them meaning something else.

Here's how British law defines racial discrimination, for example:

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

[Brackley 1,398]

No but it is a generational thing to be fair .

Yep, Us baby boomers just chanted back " sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me " when someone was saying nasty things to us.

We didn't travel miles to be offended and didn't run to the press or police if someone called us names. ( no facebook etc back then )

The worlds gone mad I tell you

[folkestoneger 8,084]

You seem like a smart chap, I'm sure you're aware that the word "racism" as used by pretty much everybody applies to ethnic discrimination as well as colour discrimination. This isn't the 19th century. Race isn't defined as "whites" and "coloureds". The fact you brought up caucasians shows how simplistic your definition of race is. You do know that Indians are caucasians? Jews too. And Arabs. "The vast majority of immigrants from the EU" are not white British, thus they are a different ethnicity, thus prejudice and discrimination against them on ethnic grounds is racism, as the word is commonly used by anybody not defending themselves from accusations of racism. When Nigel Farage talks about Romanians like they all think and act the same way, and that way is criminal, and when he distinguishes this way of thinking and acting from the way his German wife thinks, and says "you know which one you would want living next door to you", that is racism. This might be inconvenient for you, but fortunately words mean what they are taken to mean by the majority, not by one person with a vested interest in them meaning something else.

Here's how British law defines racial discrimination, for example:

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Exactly what vested interest would that be?

I don't give a toss about Carswell other than to think simply wanting to remove non Brits does not make him racist. Every country controls immigration in their own way and that doesn't make them racist either.

As for the definition of racism I will stick with the Cambridge dictionary rather than what the pc mob have invented.

Had you said he was xenophobic I may have agreed but racist never

[JamieD 18,890]

Exactly what vested interest would that be?

I don't give a toss about Carswell other than to think simply wanting to remove non Brits does not make him racist. Every country controls immigration in their own way and that doesn't make them racist either.

As for the definition of racism I will stick with the Cambridge dictionary rather than what the pc mob have invented.

Had you said he was xenophobic I may have agreed but racist never

An interest in opposition to immigration on spurious grounds being accepted uncritically. I never said that controlling immigration is racist. Deporting people who are legally here on no other grounds than that they are foreign is racist. Disregarding whatever value they might have to the country on the grounds that they aren't one of us is clearly racist.

A dictionary records what a word means, it doesn't promote a meaning. When the meaning evolves, so does the dictionary's definition. Besides, you defined racism but you didn't define race. Let's go to the OED:

"1.1 A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group:"

Which is what I said.

[JamieD 18,890]

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[JamieD 18,890]

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