Was It Worth It?

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

Excluding what is starting to look like a potentially good season, so before W&W came in. The last 3 years of hell we have been through,I have felt physically sick at some of the low points, especially when it was looking like we weren't going to be able to start a season - the first season after demotion, when it was looking like we might actually lose the club because we wouldn't have had a league to play in, I was having severe anxiety issues due to the stress of what was happening to our club, and the very poor football we have had to put up with as we have risen through the divisions.

Was the team that Dick Advocaat spent millions on and the EBT's that almost wiped us out worth what we have had to put up with over the last 3 seasons (mind what is happening this season doesn't count in my question) the millions that went missing from Craig Whyte and the dodgyness of Charles Green worth it?

Don't let what I'm about to write now infulance your decision, so answer the poll before reading past here.

The football we seen under Advocaat is the best football I have ever witnessed from our team. Beating PSV 4-0, giving Bayern a right good game, and Valencia (wow, what a group that was and we were very unlucky to not progress) the helicopter Sunday's, I actually preferred the first one - with one game one BBC1 and the other on BBC2 simultaneously and us actually losing the league at one point during those 90mins. Not being able to sign a player for what was it? 3 seasons? Then all the shite (but winning football) going the longest time in our history without a win, getting humped 6-2 off the tims, blowing £12m on Flo. Having to sack PLG, then downsizing for years.

I'm going to say it was worth it, some of the greatest memories I have in my life came during those years. I will never forget that team,and i think it was all worth it. I would go through it all again to see us have a team like that again, I don't think we will ever get back to that level ever again. There is simply too much money in the game now that there is no chance we will ever get back to that level.

I used to think we would quite easily finish in the top 4 of the EPL, there is now no chance of that ever happening. But I wouldn't change a thing, except for when the TV deal was rejected because of the powers that be thought that there would been a better offer.

What was it that got knocked back again? Was it £40m from SKY? Then we had to accept £2m from the BBC. That is the only thing I seriously regret happening. Imagine where Scottish football would be just now if that deal was accepted?

[Wearethepeople72 1,845]

I voted no.

We didn't win the Champions League and we could have spent less than we did and still have won more Scottish titles than them.

I have no doubt that we'll get back to where we belong now, but at times during the past four years we've all been worried about the prospect of there being no Rangers which was horrible.

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

I voted no.

We didn't win the Champions League and we could have spent less than we did and still have won more Scottish titles than them.

I have no doubt that we'll get back to where we belong now, but at times during the past four years we've all been worried about the prospect of there being no Rangers which was horrible.

I agree to an extent. When it looked like we were going to lose the club, I genuinely felt physically sick. I remember exactly where I was and who I was with when I heard the news that we were going into administration. I thought that we were going to disappear - third lanark style.

But after A LOT of mulling, I realized that as long as the fans are alive, then Rangers will NEVER be able to die.

What was the saying going about at the time again? If we need to play on the streets, then we will watch from the pavement?

Being through what we have been through recently has made a lot of us realize that we can never take the club for granted, and I'm glad that we have been through so much turmoil. It has given me a new found respect for our club that I never had before. I, like many others took the club for granted, but that will never happen ever again.

I didn't think my love for Rangers could get any stronger, but nearly losing it has given me a new found respect for how fragile something that seemed like it was never going to be in any jeopardy really is. I love Rangers more now than I ever did, and I didn't think that was ever possible.

If we had won the Champions league, would you have voted differently?

[TMB 14,167]

Dick Advocaat has nothing to do with the last 3-4 years.

[AlbertzLoyalRSC 18,055]

You need help...

[BridgeIsBlue 66,603]

Joke of a thread

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

Dick Advocaat has nothing to do with the last 3-4 years.

It was the Dick Advocaat years that the EBT's were dished out.

That directly put us in the position we are in now. I never blamed Dick Advocaat. Where the hell did you get that from?

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

Joke of a thread

How?

[danger ranger 922]

why are rangers the only club the taxman hounded, Arsenal got away with a ten million bill, a qc found us not guilty of breaching the rules concerning ebt's. Our problems come from SDM and the people who are in the boardroom now, nothing to do with Advocatt years.

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

why are rangers the only club the taxman hounded, Arsenal got away with a ten million bill, a qc found us not guilty of breaching the rules concerning ebt's. Our problems come from SDM and the people who are in the boardroom now, nothing to do with Advocatt years.

Aye, we all know that, but it was the EBT's that started the ball rolling that put us in the position we are in now.

Without all that shite, Murray wouldn't have been forced by Lloyds to sell the club to Craig Whyte.

[Ibrox_Nights 429]

Should be a distinction drawn between the EBT's and the carefully crafted witch hunt orchestrated against us by HMRC; coupled with the actions of the aforementioned, bug-eyed little weasel. Cause and effect you might say, however, we all know that to be far from the truth. Not semantics, it's fact. The EBT's were perfectly legal and used by many a club. Sheer coincidence we ended up being the test case, of course

[Bakbear 3,580]

Clearly the propaganda has worked if our own fans think that the Advocat years contributed to our situation.

You know. It reminds me of people saying a woman deserves to get raped if she is wearing a short skirt.

We did nothing wrong. We chased the dream legitimately and then when the arse fell out of both Scottish football and the economy in general we had to downsize significantly. Which we did. We were in 18 million quid of debt when we we're sold to Whyte. That was the point that a crime was committed.

Don't let the brainwashing get to you. Advocat and the last 3 years are not connected

[Ozblue 4,331]

I never voted simply because Dick Advocaat, nor the EBT's had anything at all to do with where we are today. The reason we are in our current position was because Murray changed Rangers FC from a separate stand alone company into one that was directly influenced on the financial position of MIH, so when the GFC hit hard, MIH shares became virtually worthless leading to Lloyds bank being able to dictate to Murray what would happen to arguably his biggest asset .

[Heshootshescores 1,904]

I would never have predicted the way the other clubs would turn on us. But hey we now know who our friends are... And it's payback time.... For Hibs, hopefully Dundee Utd and then others. Even Motherwell who I might have considered slightly anti-taig, showed their colours.

Revenge will be sweet.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

We should be looking forward not back.

Why people want to relive it all and navel gaze is beyond me.

It was what it was.

It is what it is.

[Gaffbear 4,096]

Dick only spent what he was given.

The football then was amazing and was worth every penny of my season ticket.

[macranger 296]

The only person to blame for all that's went on over the past few years is Craig shite. EBTs had nothing to do with it. It was down to shite not paying taxes, although hmrc did stick it right to us because they thought we owed them. Thought everyone already knew this.

BTW, voted yes, some of the players we had were amazing. I actually feel sorry for the younger fans who missed it all & the shite players they've had to watch playing over the past few years.

[Bakbear 3,580]

I would never have predicted the way the other clubs would turn on us. But hey we now know who our friends are... And it's payback time.... For Hibs, hopefully Dundee Utd and then others. Even Motherwell who I might have considered slightly anti-taig, showed their colours.

Revenge will be sweet.

Aye. We know who our friends are. No one. I doubt there are many FA's in the world where one member club is so hated by all other member clubs. We are talking about an FA that forced us to play 4 games in a week.

[A Gallant Pioneer 555]

What we went through had nothing to do with the Advocaat years. We were financially stable by around 2006. The campaign against us really started when Celtic seen us dominating Scottish football whilst on our knees post Walters second return.

[macranger 296]

What we went through had nothing to do with the Advocaat years. We were financially stable by around 2006. The campaign against us really started when Celtic seen us dominating Scottish football whilst on our knees post Walters second return.

Exactly mate. The debt we owed Lloyds bank was coming down year on year, paid with money we earned from Europe. It was totally manageable until shite got his hands on us.

[gmcf 34,093]

I don't think it was tbh.

Don't get me wrong , the football under Advocaat was probably the best I'd seen coming from Rangers . Despite not having as big names as Gazza , Laudrup etc , the strength was the team as a whole and the style it played , with fast , passing football played on the deck.

Sadly , it's easy to forget , or uncomfortable to remember , that it really only lasted the first two years , and we literally spent millions ( about 20 on DeBoer and Flo , alone ) chasing the dream. Iirc we were close to £90M in debt at this time with two titles , few cups and a couple of memorable European runs to show for it.

We downsized under AMcL , and the success was instantaneous . With the only two cups he could win in his first season . The treble , the next season . And Helicopter Sunday , two years later.

All at a time of downsizing and during c....c's continued big spending. That in itself shows what we can do with a smaller budget with the right man , at the right time , in charge.

So it's a no from me , despite it being the best football I've watched at Ibrox.

[AlCapone 7,678]

I don't see your point, they were funded by Rangers and we carried no debt from the era so yes they were worth it. Why wouldn't they be?

[RFC55 108,733]

What have we been through under advocaat? It was a risky scheme but the high heid yins have found us not guilty 3 times and this is coming up for number 4

[AlCapone 7,678]

I don't think it was tbh.

Don't get me wrong , the football under Advocaat was probably the best I'd seen coming from Rangers . Despite not having as big names as Gazza , Laudrup etc , the strength was the team as a whole and the style it played , with fast , passing football played on the deck.

Sadly , it's easy to forget , or uncomfortable to remember , that it really only lasted the first two years , and we literally spent millions ( about 20 on DeBoer and Flo , alone ) chasing the dream. Iirc we were close to £90M in debt at this time with two titles , few cups and a couple of memorable European runs to show for it.

We downsized under AMcL , and the success was instantaneous . With the only two cups he could win in his first season . The treble , the next season . And Helicopter Sunday , two years later.

All at a time of downsizing and during c....c's continued big spending. That in itself shows what we can do with a smaller budget with the right man , at the right time , in charge.

So it's a no from me , despite it being the best football I've watched at Ibrox.

I believe we were carrying no debt when advoocaat left

[gmcf 34,093]

I believe we were carrying no debt when advoocaat left

I don't think you're right there.

I'm pretty sure the figure banded about was just below £90M sometime through his tenure . May well have been before we sold Gio , Albertz , Tugay and Reyna.

ive got nothing to back this up , other than vague memories , but I'm sure we kept reducing it until sometime during WS's 2nd spell.