Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 strange that, we get to the final stages of the season and now that it's make or break time the obsessed on here that used to always bleat about "we don't need the older players, the youth could manage this" seem to have shut up.could it be that their finally seeing that experience is needed to manage these final games and in most cases (not all) - the youth just aren't up to the standard required to play these crunch games?or will they now come out with their rhetoric that "gallagher should be starting every game" seeing as i'm calling them out?experience wins you the battles, not the agility of youth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy500 463 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think bringing Gallagher on rather than Boyd last night would have given us a far more useful out ball. I agree with you, that we probably need the experienced heads in there, but we could use some youthful legs to cause the opposition defence problems as the game wears on - because Clark and Miller are slow to start with and always tire. However, I'm not one who thinks bringing Gasparotto in is the best idea - it would worry me to have someone that's a bit of an unknown in such an important position. It's a risk that could pay off, but not a risk you'd like to take and get wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 the youth are not at the standard we expect. We have a poor first team squad and they cant even break into that. Aird is back playing with the under 12's. And its not just the youth - mccall has sidelined others who he reckons aren't up to it - Temps being the most obviousAnd in fairness mccall has this squad playing far better than mccoist ever could - so the reasons for him going with youth have decreased. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,507 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Our youth players are massively overrated on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,507 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Aird is back playing with the under 12's.Probably still out of his depth. Never a footballer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus 1,370 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 In these one off big games, experience is often crucial, how many of the youngsters would have taken a shot with the outside of their wrong foot for the 2nd goal, that sort of confidence comes from playing in big games, the youths may lack fear which comes from being young, but sometimes confidence from experience trumps confidence from youth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Gallant Pioneer 555 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Our best player right now, Murdoch, is a youth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,507 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Our best player right now, is a youth. Wouldn't say he's a youth, he's nearly 23. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser1041 9,088 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Our best player right now, is a youth. Foster is pretty old mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I can't find anything to moan about. Why are folk looking for arguments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
superally07 387 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It's a good thing that fans want to see youth players brought through, experience is certainly key in games like last night though. We have brought through Murdoch and Macleod in the last two years and recently given people like Walsh and Hardie a chance. I'm happy with McCall's youth policy, I wasn't with Mccoists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 No team in the world would bring on youth players in such a meaningful game or games. The fact that we never did it at the end of division 3 and league one is pretty shameful and there's no escaping that fact Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoniram 1,919 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 What a stupid nonsensical thread to start.At this stage of the season it's about playing your best players and achieving results. McCall is doing that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
there'sonlyoneamoruso 1,724 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I was very disappointed in McCall for throwing on Boyd last night. A slow, unfit striker didn't give us an out ball and invited pressure on ourselves. If we had an energetic and quick player to chase down long balls I think we'd have been in a less frantic state.I had no problem with Smith coming on. I was slightly despondent at Black's introduction. It was understandable but again invited pressure.These are the games young boys will learn a lot in. So for me they should be involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,548 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Maybe people are just focusing their attention on supporting the team during one of the most important periods we've had on the pitch in years.Do people still think we need a younger team, probably. I certainly think we do but is there really any point going on and on with three games of the season left when we haven't really done it at all this season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Got to love these posts. Once again the calls for youth taken completely out of context.I can't speak for everyone, but I personally called on under performers being dropped for youth players selectively. In other words not playing 11 youths.Look at the difference Murdoch makes to the midfield compared to Black. The difference here is Murdoch was given a chance early enough to get used to being in the team do that at this crucial stage he fits in. Had we done this with Gallagher, hardie, sinnamon, gasparotto et al then who can say for certain whether they would have been a Murdoch or an Aird?Until a player gets a fair crack of the whip we can't truly judge them. We can all give an opinion based on gut instincts or limited sources of info e.g. Development team reports, how they played on loan etc. but the proof of whether they are good enough or not only comes when they get a chance.Imagine the likes of man utds class on 92 if they never got a chance? Not that I am making direct comparisons to our youth but until they were played it wasn't a certainty they'd be good or bad.The bottom line is that McCall and K Black have got these experienced players playing again and believing in themselves and that's why you can come on here saying where's all the people wanting youth played. I do take heart from Murdoch though and it just makes you wonder if he is the only bright light from the youth ranks or if there are other gems there too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietofWorms 2,062 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Wouldn't say he's a youth, he's nearly 23.20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 20. and a half Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietofWorms 2,062 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 and a half Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,507 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 20. Vuckic is definitely older than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,017 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If youth had been given their chance in the team when we had the biggest chance to put them in, in alongside some experienced heads, then they'd probably have what's required to play in these crunch games by now, instead our management team bottled it and put too much reliance on the over the hill, 'experienced', players and we ended up losing the league by 20+ points. The likes of Hardie, Gallacher, Murdoch and even McKay could have easily led this team if they'd been used properly from the start. Chance missed, no question about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietofWorms 2,062 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Vuckic is definitely older than that.He's not ours though.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,507 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 He's not ours though.... He is until his loan expires ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Maybe if we had given youth a chance there would have been no need for us having to go through the route of the play off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,763 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 We should have been giving youth players a chance in the last two seasons. We won both leagues by huge margins and we had the ideal opportunity to see what the boys could do. The utter shambles this season made it almost impossible to throw boys into the team although McCall has certainly given Murdoch the chance to prove himself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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