JamieG54 812 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 When Ally came out with this we were all excited about young players playing attacking football entertaining large crowds and showing a completely different Rangers for the future on the park.What happened?One really good player- LewisOne decent player- AirdThats it?Wheres the Ajax model? Good play? Shit hot tactics? Excitement?We haven't got Ally De Boer anyways. Was he playing as Ajax on Champ Man when he told the papers this? Same game as Tonys Barca across the City. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 When Ally came out with this we were all excited about young players playing attacking football entertaining large crowds and showing a completely different Rangers for the future on the park.What happened?One really good player- LewisOne decent player- AirdThats it?Wheres the Ajax model? Good play? Shit hot tactics? Excitement?We haven't got Ally De Boer anyways.Have all those youngsters who weren't good enough excelled anywhere else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,072 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Was just bullshit to keep the fans on side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How long did the "Ajax model" take Ajax? Just over 2 seasons and all of a sudden they were pumping out £10 million players for fun? They started it back in the 70's ffs.I said at the time any reforms to our youth structure will take years, if not decades, to see fruition.Also, has anyone watched Ajax this season? Sold their best player and now regularly struggle. Not won in 4 games. I hope that's not the model you were talking about J... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 What was always fantastic about the Ajax model was the way it brought a full team through in 2 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,342 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How many seasons does it take on Fifa Manager Jamie? That's the true benchmark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Rangers have never had a history of bringing thro youth, and it won't happen anytime soon. If we get into the SPFL we will have to buy or get Bosmans with the latter looking the more likely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How long did the "Ajax model" take Ajax? Just over 2 seasons and all of a sudden they were pumping out £10 million players for fun? They started it back in the 70's ffs.I said at the time any reforms to our youth structure will take years, if not decades, to see fruition.Also, has anyone watched Ajax this season? Sold their best player and now regularly struggle. Not won in 4 games. I hope that's not the model you were talking about J...Can you tell me the improvements that have been made? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson1872 2,923 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How long did the "Ajax model" take Ajax? Just over 2 seasons and all of a sudden they were pumping out £10 million players for fun? They started it back in the 70's ffs.I said at the time any reforms to our youth structure will take years, if not decades, to see fruition.Also, has anyone watched Ajax this season? Sold their best player and now regularly struggle. Not won in 4 games. I hope that's not the model you were talking about J...Ajax play against PSV and Feyenoord, not Hearts and Raith. We regularly struggle without selling anyone, don't see how it could be much worsez Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you tell me the improvements that have been made?Can you tell me the improvements that haven't been made? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieG54 812 Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I forgot Stirling Peterhead and Raith are as good as PSV and AZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I forgot Stirling Peterhead and Raith are as good as PSV and AZWhere did I compare them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstone Burgh 1,637 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you tell me the improvements that haven't been made?There really hasn't been any. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,360 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you tell me the improvements that haven't been made?Nice deflection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you tell me the improvements that haven't been made?Macleod and Aird are the only players who have 'made it'. Yet McCoist stated 'it's the best time to be a youngster at this Club' and even said 'in many ways the future of this Club was in their hands.'Our development team have only won 3 matches out of 9. Instead of using the youth in our squad and giving them the experience of playing at Rangers, we've signed ageing or foreign players to take their place in the squad and sent them out on loan meaning they can't gel together as we've come up through the Leagues. I could mention other things but I'm still waiting on my answer.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,360 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The headline did give me a good laugh though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Macleod and Aird are the only players who have 'made it'. Yet McCoist stated 'it's the best time to be a youngster at this Club' and even said 'in many ways the future of this Club was in their hands.'Our development team have only won 3 matches out of 9.Instead of using the youth in our squad and giving them the experience of playing at Rangers, we've signed ageing or foreign players to take their place in the squad and sent them out on loan meaning they can't gel together as we've come up through the Leagues.I could mention other things but I'm still waiting on my answer..The "Ajax model" is about integrating a system and style from the youth squads, starting at 8,9,10 up through the club. Ajax's model of success is 1 or 2 youth players becoming part of the senior squad each season, after decades of this model.You're talking about just throwing young players into the team.I can't tell you what we are/have been doing to achieve this in the future, just the same as you can't tell me what we aren't/haven't been doing. Neither of us know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,360 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Macleod and Aird are the only players who have 'made it'. Yet McCoist stated 'it's the best time to be a youngster at this Club' and even said 'in many ways the future of this Club was in their hands.'Our development team have only won 3 matches out of 9.Instead of using the youth in our squad and giving them the experience of playing at Rangers, we've signed ageing or foreign players to take their place in the squad and sent them out on loan meaning they can't gel together as we've come up through the Leagues.I could mention other things but I'm still waiting on my answer..You'd think Al would get tired of being wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band of Brothers 10,303 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you tell me the improvements that haven't been made?You never hit the crossbar at half time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The "Ajax model" is about integrating a system and style from the youth squads, starting at 8,9,10 up through the club. Ajax's model of success is 1 or 2 youth players becoming part of the senior squad each season, after decades of this model.You're talking about just throwing young players into the team.I can't tell you what we are/have been doing to achieve this in the future, just the same as you can't tell me what we aren't/haven't been doing. Neither of us know. So you honestly believe McCoist was solely talking about the model of 8 and 9 year olds when he stated the future of our club was in the hands of the likes of Barrie McKay? You're also wrong, I said squad not team. But how well do you think that model that you talk about be implemented when our youth our constantly sent out on loan to teams with different styles? Some of them don't even have style at all as they're part time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So you honestly believe McCoist was solely talking about the model of 8 and 9 year olds when he stated the future of our club was in the hands of the likes of Barrie McKay?You're also wrong, I said squad not team.But how well do you think that model that you talk about be implemented when our youth our constantly sent out on loan to teams with different styles? Some of them don't even have style at all as they're part time.I took it at face value. When he mentioned the Ajax model I looked into it, pretty sure I posted the thread about it on here. It was in McKay's hands the same as it was for Macleod, Aird and Crawford etc. It's up to promising young players to push themselves on.Ajax regularly loan out a number of players. They have 5 20/21 year olds out on loan this season, like most clubs do. Surely going out on loan and experiencing different styles and coaches is good for young players and will make them more rounded players. Perhaps playing for P/T teams is also good for young players to help keep them grounded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,686 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why has this topic come around again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 We live in Scotland...trying to recreate the Ajax model in this shitehole would never work Why has this topic come around again?Jamie had to have a go at Ally somehow since we won tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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