Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 90k at Ibrox Seriously, I think you need a lie down.Going by the 1.8 standing for ever seat the guy a few post back quoted, why not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 See where your coming from. I'm an oldie who can remember 80,000 plus crowds at the stadium.Positives were the fuckin noise we created, the togetherness and no stewards or police could get to you to tell you to behave or stop singing a certain song! Carry outs were the norm and the wine, whisky and beer flowed.Negatives were the punters pissing on you and random punch ups between fellow Bears. Also, leaving the stadium was a nightmare. As a wee boy i always exited down stairway 13 with my Da. You always got your arms above your head and many times my feet never touched the ground from top to bottom. Seen guys with jackets ripped off and bollocks crushed on the railings. The disaster put paid to that and seating was deemed the way forward.However, I agree the enclosure at Ibrox is made for standing and would be appropriate with adequate controls. I think it will come and can't see any problems with it. But the 80,000 crowds are gone I'm afraid.Dortmund can do it, why can't we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Going by the 1.8 standing for ever seat the guy a few post back quoted, why not?Because there's no way we would get 50k through the gates who will want to stand for 90 minutes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 The safe standing they're bringing in at the Girodome doesn't increase the capacityWhy not? All the safe standing I've seen increase capacity. The taigs looked like the had the same set up as the German set up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Because there's no way we would get 50k through the gates who will want to stand for 90 minutes.Not even for an Old Firm game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not even for an Old Firm game?Not even then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not even then.I reckon if we had full safe standing for the next old firm game at Ibrox, we would be able to sell 90k tickets. Even if we had to give the taigs 15k tickets. People would have no choice but to stand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I reckon if we had full safe standing for the next old firm game at Ibrox, we would be able to sell 90k tickets. Even if we had to give the taigs 15k tickets.People would have no choice but to stand.You'd have kids, the elderly, the disabled, some lazy bastards.We'd be able to get a few more in, no doubt, but nowhere near capacity, it wouldn't work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amato 3,016 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Why not? All the safe standing I've seen increase capacity. The taigs looked like the had the same set up as the German set up.This is an old ITV article from 2011 but I think still relevant:Explained: How safe standing would work in Scotland19 December 2011 17:32 GMTRail seats at Hamburg folded back for standing use. Pic: ©Jon DarchScottish Premier League clubs have been given the green light to introduce safe standing sections at their stadiums.Teams can now ask the SPL board to sanction a standing area at their ground, subject to further approval from the police and local authorities.But just how different would the new areas be compared to the terracing of yesteryear?Does this mean a return to old-style terracing?No. The leagues chief executive, Neil Doncaster, says a particular form of safe standing currently used by eight top flight teams in Germany, known as rail seats, will be the permitted form of new-style terracing.How do rail seats work?Rail seats replace the current plastic seating in stadiums, with each chair having a high back which serves as a rail. Each seat folds up and is locked, with clubs able to unlock each chair when an all-seater arena is required, for example in European matches.How much does it cost?At present, one rail seat costs 100 euros (£84), compared to around £30 for each plastic seat currently used at grounds.One argument made in favour of rail seats is the long-term cost benefit. Current plastic seating is prone to damage and may need replaced over time, whereas rail seating is seen as more durable.Will it increase capacity?Although there is provision in some German grounds for two fans to stand for each rail seat, owing to there being two steps between each seat, the SPLs chief executive says the pilot scheme will see one supporter occupy each rail seat space.Are rail seats already used?To comply with UEFA regulations in 2000, German clubs had to find an option to both satisfy the requirements of the governing body but also continue to meet their own supporters desire to stand at games.Hannover 96, Werder Bremen, Stuttgart, Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Bayer Leverkusen and Hamburg all subsequently installed rail seats installed in their grounds.At Hoffenheims Rhein-Neckar-Arena, which opened in 2009, 9,150 places in the 30,150 capacity stadium are reserved for standing.The Germans believe standing is the natural way to watch football, Jon Darch of the Safe Standing Roadshow told STV.Going forward, for a modern solution for appropriate accommodation for fans, rail seats are, in my mind, the only solution, certainly at least for clubs with aspirations to play in UEFA competitions.Are they safe?Although argument rages over whether any form of standing can be completely safe as opposed to seating, those in favour of the technology insist there is no evidence to argue the use of rail seats is more dangerous or safer than seating.What if my team plays in European competition?To comply with UEFA guidelines on all-seater grounds in the Champions League and Europa League, each rail seat can be unlocked by stadium staff prior to games to create a folding chair, removing the standing section without affecting the overall capacity.Can they be installed in every stadium?Cost aside, the installation of rail seats largely depends on the gradient of the stand in which they are being installed. In German grounds, some clubs use two step rail seats on lower tiers but, due to a steeper gradient, upper tiers are normally resticted to one occupant.Are there any clubs interested?Celtic themselves have viewed the option, having been visited by the Safe Standing Roadshow as part of the clubs own feasibility study.Are there Scottish clubs opposed to the plans?St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour doesn't believe his own team's ground, opened in 2009, is built for safe standing. "Our ground is specifically designed for seating and the actual heights of the concourses are for seats," he told STV."They are not for standing. If you stand they will catch you on the knees and it is dangerous."When might it be in operation?"Potentially we can receive applications from the word go so in theory it could start as early as next season," SPL chief executive Doncaster said."But it's really up to the clubs. Our rules currently say that no safe-standing is allowed in SPL stadia, so that is at least one hurdle removed."There are several stadia where it just can't be done because of the architecture of the stadium but where clubs can look at and wish to do it, this is a step forward."Would the SPLs promotion criteria over capacity change?No. Every member club of the SPL would still require to have 6,000 seats to participate in the competition. The introduction of a safe standing section would be in addition to the capacity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 You'd have kids, the elderly, the disabled, some lazy bastards.We'd be able to get a few more in, no doubt, but nowhere near capacity, it wouldn't work.Ok, I'll concede that one. But that wouldn't be more than 10k. We would/could get 80k Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Ok, I'll concede that one.But that wouldn't be more than 10k. We would/could get 80kI'd be interested to see how many we could get Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wee General 91 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Just wonder if the cost to make The Stadium all standing would be cost prohibitive. Remember, back in the day Ibrox was a huge bowl with just the main stand seated. There are now safety rules which require exit times etc to be complied with. Don't forget, with standing you would have 15,000 - 20,000 people in each sector leaving at the same time. No waiting for people to shuffle along the seat rows as now. They all just go at the same time, so would need massive exit space to avoid crushing etc.But, I would love to see every Bear have the chance to see and experience 80,000 at the 'Brox. Maybe there is something in this to bring the real match day experience back for fans. And, on another positive, you wouldn't have numptys shouting "sit fuckin doon, a canny see"...!!!Good thought provoking post though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,247 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Is anyone suggesting all standing, East and West enclosure possibly Copland Front but that's as far as I'd go Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin93 136 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Well over 80,000...lol is that using the Seville calculator Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubaijim 44 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I reckon if we had full safe standing for the next old firm game at Ibrox, we would be able to sell 90k tickets. Even if we had to give the taigs 15k tickets.People would have no choice but to stand."People would have no choice but to stand" - what a stupid statement. We have a fair number of elderly and infirm fans who physically cannot stand for 90+ minutes - are they to be prevented going to the games because of their condition? I personally had mobility problems for a while (now thankfully fixed) and could not have gone had sitting not been an option - we must think of all fans before making such judgments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 "People would have no choice but to stand" - what a stupid statement. We have a fairy number of elderly and infirm fans who physically cannot stand for 90+ minutes - are they to be prevented going to the games because of their condition? I personally had mobility problems for a while (now thankfully fixed) and could not have gone had sitting not been an option - we must think of all fans before making such judgments.Obviously there would be space for people that couldn't stand. I covered that up earlier in the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macranger 296 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Just wonder if the cost to make The Stadium all standing would be cost prohibitive. Remember, back in the day Ibrox was a huge bowl with just the main stand seated. There are now safety rules which require exit times etc to be complied with. Don't forget, with standing you would have 15,000 - 20,000 people in each sector leaving at the same time. No waiting for people to shuffle along the seat rows as now. They all just go at the same time, so would need massive exit space to avoid crushing etc.But, I would love to see every Bear have the chance to see and experience 80,000 at the 'Brox. Maybe there is something in this to bring the real match day experience back for fans. And, on another positive, you wouldn't have numptys shouting "sit fuckin doon, a canny see"...!!!Good thought provoking post though.If you have a look online (think there's even a bit on YouTube), you'll see the type of seats used still mean you do have to shuffle along to the end of each row to get out, so you'd still have the fans getting out just as they do now. Think you could do it with the east & west enclosures, but not you'd have to sort out season ticket holders who already sit there. They might not want to move & they might not want to stand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz_3 51 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The taigs got a standing section NOT a standing stadium. If it were to happen at Rangers it would only be a section and even at that I don't see the majority of our fans voting for it as they may loose their seat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirFleckNRothen 1,789 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Entire stadiums will never be all-standing in this day and age, only sections following thorough and intense risk assessments, safety measures and so on.Personally, I think a standing section at Ibrox would be ruined by the Union Weans.The BF1 has been fairly secluded to those outside the group over the past few years, so it's never caused an issue, but try standing next to them at an away game.14 year-old boys in Long Island jackets pulling smoke bombs out of their school bags, setting them off in the middle of the stand, then running away to the other side of the group to avoid being caught.Fuck that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 2,428 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'd love to see standing again in the east enclosure. I couldn't see the match but the atmosphere and banter was brilliant.A bit off topic, but if they were going to make changes to the stadium, I'd also move away fans into the west enclosure so they can't be seen by tv cameras. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'd love to see standing again in the east enclosure. I couldn't see the match but the atmosphere and banter was brilliant.A bit off topic, but if they were going to make changes to the stadium, I'd also move away fans into the west enclosure so they can't be seen by tv cameras.I don't think they would put away fans below ours incase things got dropped on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 how about we try and get enough fans in to fill the seats before looking at anything else.New manager and team is not all it's going to take to get all the fans back to the games, we haven't kicked a ball yet FFS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 If anything make both enclosures standing, as for the rest of the stadium, I would fill in the corners and get rid of those bloody screens Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Safe standing doesnt increase capacity, in some instances it reduces it. That said we should go for it as it will help atmosphere and I for one hate sitting at games.But folk have the wrong idea if they think it will be 20,000 standing in Broomloan like back in the day with the terracing etc, most of the standing rails take up more room than a seat does Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GioVB 8 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 you can still sit with the safe standing. Obviously you would want to be at the front of a stand/tier though.are you sure? Dortmund have the safe standing and I'm sure the seats are either secured for sitting on or not at all - I'm pretty sure they're not allowed the standing for certain fixtures (might be champions league matches). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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