Bad Robot 21,138 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know this will probably be moved but it seems it's coming full circle for these pieces of scum.http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/mobile/news/u/top-judge-says-irish-rebel-song-sung-by-fans-will-be-regarded-as-threatening-and-offensive. Top judge says Irish rebel song sung by fans will be regarded as "threatening and offensive"Published on 22 April 2015Martin WilliamsONE of Scotland's most senior judges has said that the singing of the pro-IRA Roll of Honour by a significant group of fans will be regarded by a reasonable person as being both threatening and offensive.Lord Carloway, the Lord Justice Clerk, gave the opinion while rejecting a claim that a charge under the controversial law designed to stamp out sectarian abuse at football matches led to the contravention of two convicted fans' human rights.William Donnelly and Martin Walsh were convicted of charges surrounding the singing of the pro-IRA song at a match between Hibs and Celtic at Easter Road on 19 October 2013.In February last year, the song reached the UK Top 40 Singles chart after the band Irish Brigade, were asked by supporters group Fans Against Criminalisation to cover the song to highlight their opposition to the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act.The 1980s song celebrates the lives of 10 republican prisoners who died in 1981 at the Maze Prison.Donnelly and Walsh's lawyers said they might not have appreciated that their rendition of the song could be regarded as threatening or offensive and thus render them liable to criminal conviction and sentence.Leave to appeal had been granted over the conviction under Section One of the Offensive Behaviour act on the question of whether there was a conflict with Article Seven of the European Convention on Human Rights.The leave to appeal involved whether there was, "in the circumstances of the case, a breach in the applicants' right to know, with sufficient clarity, of the nature of the crime, in terms of Article Seven".But Lord Carloway in dismissing their appeal, said the pair were "were well aware of what they were engaging in".He said: "The appellants must be presumed to have been aware that, in terms of the section, behaviour at a football match would be criminal if it involved conduct which was threatening or such that a reasonable person would be likely to consider offensive and if that conduct was likely to incite public disorder. "He pointed out that it was established in a case decided a matter of months before the Easter Road match that "the singing of this particular song was potentially criminal".He said that the sheriff's note recorded that the evidence had been that the song was widely regarded as sectarian and offensive and that warnings about sectarian songs were broadcast before matches and that both the club and the supporters' websites warned fans of the undesirability and dangers in singing this particular song.He said that it is "firmly established in law, and incidentally very well-known" that singing songs of a sectarian nature at football matches "is likely to be a criminal act".He added: "In this case the song celebrates the activities of members of proscribed terrorist groups. It cannot come as a surprise that the singing of such a song by a significant group of fans at a match will be regarded by a reasonable person as being both threatening and offensive..."There is no need for proof of knowledge that the particular supporter was aware of the law or the status of the song. The appellants were well aware of what they were engaging in.He added: "There is no blanket ban on singing sectarian songs and the appellants are at liberty to indulge their desire to do so at many alternative venues. There is, however, a prohibition on doing so at football matches ... type of conduct here is precisely what the law is aimed at." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,638 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hang them ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 As much as I like seeing Timmy getting caught up in this, I can't help but hate the law.Its a fucking song, its not threatening and since when should offending someone be a crime? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabawsa 888 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I know this will probably be moved but it seems it's coming full circle for these pieces of scum.http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/mobile/news/u/top-judge-says-irish-rebel-song-sung-by-fans-will-be-regarded-as-threatening-and-offensive. Top judge says Irish rebel song sung by fans will be regarded as "threatening and offensive"Published on 22 April 2015Martin WilliamsONE of Scotland's most senior judges has said that the singing of the pro-IRA Roll of Honour by a significant group of fans will be regarded by a reasonable person as being both threatening and offensive.Lord Carloway, the Lord Justice Clerk, gave the opinion while rejecting a claim that a charge under the controversial law designed to stamp out sectarian abuse at football matches led to the contravention of two convicted fans' human rights.William Donnelly and Martin Walsh were convicted of charges surrounding the singing of the pro-IRA song at a match between Hibs and Celtic at Easter Road on 19 October 2013.In February last year, the song reached the UK Top 40 Singles chart after the band Irish Brigade, were asked by supporters group Fans Against Criminalisation to cover the song to highlight their opposition to the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act.The 1980s song celebrates the lives of 10 republican prisoners who died in 1981 at the Maze Prison.Donnelly and Walsh's lawyers said they might not have appreciated that their rendition of the song could be regarded as threatening or offensive and thus render them liable to criminal conviction and sentence.Leave to appeal had been granted over the conviction under Section One of the Offensive Behaviour act on the question of whether there was a conflict with Article Seven of the European Convention on Human Rights.The leave to appeal involved whether there was, "in the circumstances of the case, a breach in the applicants' right to know, with sufficient clarity, of the nature of the crime, in terms of Article Seven".But Lord Carloway in dismissing their appeal, said the pair were "were well aware of what they were engaging in".He said: "The appellants must be presumed to have been aware that, in terms of the section, behaviour at a football match would be criminal if it involved conduct which was threatening or such that a reasonable person would be likely to consider offensive and if that conduct was likely to incite public disorder. "He pointed out that it was established in a case decided a matter of months before the Easter Road match that "the singing of this particular song was potentially criminal".He said that the sheriff's note recorded that the evidence had been that the song was widely regarded as sectarian and offensive and that warnings about sectarian songs were broadcast before matches and that both the club and the supporters' websites warned fans of the undesirability and dangers in singing this particular song.He said that it is "firmly established in law, and incidentally very well-known" that singing songs of a sectarian nature at football matches "is likely to be a criminal act".He added: "In this case the song celebrates the activities of members of proscribed terrorist groups. It cannot come as a surprise that the singing of such a song by a significant group of fans at a match will be regarded by a reasonable person as being both threatening and offensive..."There is no need for proof of knowledge that the particular supporter was aware of the law or the status of the song. The appellants were well aware of what they were engaging in.He added: "There is no blanket ban on singing sectarian songs and the appellants are at liberty to indulge their desire to do so at many alternative venues. There is, however, a prohibition on doing so at football matches ... type of conduct here is precisely what the law is aimed at."Letter already on the way asking Lord Carloway for clarification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 As much as I like seeing Timmy getting caught up in this, I can't help but hate the law.Its a fucking song, its not threatening and since when should offending someone be a crime?With that reasoning though groups like the KKK should be allowed to continue fostering their hate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dangerously 7,562 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 It's just a bit craic Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,845 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Bears den. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueensEleven 1,355 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 With that reasoning though groups like the KKK should be allowed to continue fostering their hate.Hate isn't illegal either. If someone wants to detest blacks, gays, jews, catholics, protestants, muslims (as illogical as it is to me) they can. You can't arrest someone for their thoughts. However, acting upon that hatred is illegal. Murder, assault and harassment is illegal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 As much as I like seeing Timmy getting caught up in this, I can't help but hate the law.Its a fucking song, its not threatening and since when should offending someone be a crime?Brendan O'Fended demanded, nay lobbied, for this legislation because they thought it would only affect us.Fuck them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hate isn't illegal either. If someone wants to detest blacks, gays, jews, catholics, protestants, muslims (as illogical as it is to me) they can. You can't arrest someone for their thoughts. However, acting upon that hatred is illegal. Murder, assault and harassment is illegal.Hate crimes are illegal which is why you get jailed for singing songs and shouting racist remarks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueensEleven 1,355 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hate crimes are illegal which is why you get jailed for singing songs and shouting racist remarks.Which is acting upon it and comes under harassment...You can't be arrested for not liking someone, regardless of your reason for not liking them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Which is acting upon it and comes under harassment...You can't be arrested for not liking someone, regardless of your reason for not liking them.No of course you can't. Unless you act upon it though how would anyone know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,681 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Get it right up them they caused this by pretending to be offended by The Billy Boys they deserve what they get as a result Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueensEleven 1,355 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 No of course you can't. Unless you act upon it though how would anyone know.There's plenty of people cutting about that hate catholics or hate protestants or hate muslims and they openly admit to it. It's not illegal to say you hate something or someone. You can hate a religion, an animal, a public figure, an idea... you can hate until your wee hearts content mate.Your point was his logic would mean the KKK should be allowed to foster their hatred... well they are allowed to. There's nothing stopping them hating.You just have to look at these rallies all over the world in Western countries where Islamist extremists hold rallies and show their utter hatred for the countries they're living in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There's plenty of people cutting about that hate catholics or hate protestants or hate muslims and they openly admit to it. It's not illegal to say you hate something or someone. You can hate a religion, an animal, a public figure, an idea... you can hate until your wee hearts content mate.Your point was his logic would mean the KKK should be allowed to foster their hatred... well they are allowed to. There's nothing stopping them hating.You just have to look at these rallies all over the world in Western countries where Islamist extremists hold rallies and show their utter hatred for the countries they're living in. In this country singing these songs is illegal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueensEleven 1,355 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 In this country singing these songs is illegal.Which is acting upon said hatred and would come under harassment like I said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Which is acting upon said hatred and would come under harassment like I said.Exactly which is what i had said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,352 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I have no problem with Irish people singing this in Ireland.How about if Bradford had a majority of Muslim fans and they sang songs about al Qaeda. There would be mayhem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure_Quality 3,295 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Serves them fucking right.These cunts started this bus, now they want to get off when the clippy's asking to see their ticket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Jock Wallace 858 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Brendan O'Fended demanded, nay lobbied, for this legislation because they thought it would only affect us.Fuck them.Spot on mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 18,711 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I've always said that any grown man offended by a song at the football needs their baws fed to a crocodile.But get it up the tarriers after all their greeting to UEFA when TBB got sung. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,138 Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Another can of worms the cunts opened up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 What a week for the papes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I will never understand how Celtic and their fans don't get embarrassed by anything, they're a complete laughing stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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