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#81 neilstonloyal

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:04 PM

Nae chance is that anyone in UB mate.

i can assure you there in UB

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM

Because I have been going to fitba for nearly 50 years as have all my mates and im fucked if any of us knows what an ultra is

That's why it's a load of pish

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:26 PM

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.



Do they get pished?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:28 PM

Do they get pished?


Only the Muslim ones.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

i can assure you there in UB

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

Only the Muslim ones.


Where do I join?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

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Would you care to explain what an Ultra is then?

And please point me in the direction of any Ultra movement (not in Scotland) that don't indulge in said violence.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

Singing loudly - Great ; Waving banners - Great.

Flares and smokebombs? Never understood it, and if anyone can explain the point behind it (not UB, just anywhere where it happens).

Certainly don't think they should be held up as the worst of the worst and all that sort of stuff, indeed the days of true football hooligans have long since past, hopefully never to return in the UK.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

Here is just the Italian Ultras.

ANCONA
THE MAIN GROUP IS THE "COLLETTIVO", THEY ARE ANTI-RACISTS AND ANTI-FASCISTS. THEY HAVE A GOOD MOB EVEN THOUGH THE TEAM IS NOW IN 3rd DIVISION. STRONG RIVALRY WITH ASCOLI, FOR BOTH REASONS OF GEOGRAPHICAL CLOSENESS AND POLITICAL OPPOSITION.

ANDRIA
THE TEAM WERE IN THE 2nd DIV A FEW YEARS AGO BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THEY DROPPED BACK TO THE 3rd DIV AT THE END OF THE LAST SEASON. THE HISTORICAL GROUP - THE NEW BLUE GENERATION - HAS GIVEN UP IN SEP, 98. AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD OF FRAGMENTATION, THE HARD CORE OF NBG HAS ESTABLISHED A NEW GROUP, THE BRIGATA FIDELIS. CELTIC CROSSES ALWAYS PRESENT IN THEIR SIDE.

AREZZO
LEFT-WINGED, IF I HAVE TO BE SINCERE, I HAD NOT NEWS FROM THEM FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN THEY WERE IN 2nd DIVI- SION THEY USE TO HAVE A GOOD MOB, WITH FINE SPECTACLES WITH FLAGS AND FIREWORKS.

ASCOLI
THE MAIN GROUP IS THE SETTEMBRE BIANCONERO. THEY ARE RIGHT-WINGED AND THEY HAVEN'T NOW A BIG MOB, ALSO FOR THEY ARE NOW IN 3rd DIV. SEE ALSO ANCONA BOX.

ATALANTA
TWO MAIN GROUPS: BRIGATE NEROAZZURRE AND WILD KAOS THEY ARE LEFT WINGED, WITH MAYBE SOME LEAGUERS (FANS OF THE LEGA LOMBARDA, THE PARTY WHICH FIGHTS FOR THE INDEPENDANCE OF NORTH ITALY). GOOD MOB, ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY GAMES AND POWERFUL IN HOME GAMES. RIVALRY WITH FANS OF BRESCIA, VERONA, MILAN, INTER, ROMA.
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BARI
UCN IS THE MAIN GROUP (ULTRAS CURVA NORD). RIGHT-WINGED. STRONG RIVALS OF LECCE FANS. LIKE ALL THE TEAMS OF SOUTH ITALY, HAS A STRONG SUPPORT FROM IMMIGRATED FANS IN AWAY GAMES IN NORTH ITALY (NORMAL FANS, NOT ULTRAS), BUT THE MOB IS NOT SO STRONG.

BOLOGNA
TWO MAIN GROUPS, FOREVER ULTRAS AND MODS. THE FU ARE LEFT - WINGED AND THEY ARE THE HISTORICAL GROUP OF THE "CURVA ANDREA COSTA", THE MODS ARE RIGHT-WINGED AND WERE BORN MORE RECENTLY. THE TWO GROUPS DON'T HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND THESE TROUBLES HAVE BROUGHT AN END TO THE FRIENDSHIP OF THE ULTRAS WITH THE MILAN MOB AFTER 20 YRS. AND A NEW FRIENDSHIP WITH AS ROMA ULTRAS, THAT SEEMS NOW TO BE ALREADY ENDED. QUITE GOOD MOB.

BRESCIA
UNTIL THE END OF LAST SEASON, THE "CURVA NORD" WAS RULED BY THE CUCN (COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA NORD), WHICH GAVE UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW SEASON. THIS YEAR THE LEADERSHIP IN THE NORTH CURVE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE "PAESA'" GRP, WHO ARE DOING THEIR BEST FOR GIVING A GOOD SUPPORT TO THE TEAM. GOOD MOB, BEST FRIENDS OF THE MILAN MOB, ENEMIES OF VERONA, ATALANTA, ROMA.

CAGLIARI
TWO MAJOR GROUPS, "SCONVOLTS" AND "FURIOSI", BOTH RIGHT-WINGED. STRONG RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS. (IN MILAN LAST YEAR THEY DIVIDED THE AWAY FANS SECTOR IN TWO PARTS AND SUPPORTED THE TEAM WITH DIFFERENT SONGS).

CESENA
THE HISTORICAL BANNER IN THE SOUTH CURVE IS THE "WEISSCHWARTZ BRIGADEN" WHICH HAS STOOD THERE SINCE THE MID EIGHTIES AT LEAST. GOOD MOB AT HOME, MAYBE LESS IN AWAY GAMES.

COMO
FOSSA LARIANA WAS THE HISTORICAL GROUP IN THE EIGHTIES AND IN THE NINETIES. APOLITICAL, THEY ARE A VERY GOOD FIRM, DESPITE THE CITY OF COMO BEING QUITE SMALL AND RICH. ONCE THEY WERE ALLIED WITH MILAN FIRMS, THOUGH THE FRIENDSHIP IS NOT AS STRONG AS IT ONCE WAS. BIG RIOTS IN THE CITY WHEN VARESE AND LECCO FANS COME.

EMPOLI
RANGERS AND DESPERADOS ARE THE BIGGEST AND OLDEST GROUPS. THE FIRM IS LEFT-WINGED AND GIVE A GOOD SUPPORT IN HOME GAMES, WHILE THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS PRESENT IN A GOOD NUMBER IN AWAY GAMES.

FIORENTINA
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FIRMS IN ITALY. UNTIL 1994 OCCUPIED THE ONLY "CURVA FIESOLE", HISTORICAL LAIR OF THE PURPLE LADS. THEN SOME GROUPS, DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH HAVING SEASON TICKETS FOR ALL, DECIDED TO GO INTO THE "CURVA MARIONE" AND TO CREATE A DOUBLE CURVA SYSTEM, AND GIVE A DOUBLE SUPPORT TO THE TEAM DURING THE MATCH. THE MAIN PART OF BOTH THE CURVES ARE LEFT WINGED, THE MAIN GROUPS ARE: COLLETTIVO AUTONOMO VIOLA (CAV), "SETTEBELLO", "VIEUSSEUX" IN THE CURVA FIESOLE, AND "ONDA D'URTO" (EX ALCOOL CAMPI) AND "DIRETTIVO" IN THE MARIONE CURVE. FRIENDSHIP WITH TORINO AND VERONA AND RIVALRIES WITH JUVENTUS, MILAN, INTER, ROMA.

GENOA
ANOTHER VERY GOOD MOB, ALWAYS CROWDING THE GRADINATA NORD OF THE MARASSI STADIUM EVEN THOUGH THE TEAM IS IN THE SECOND DIVISION AND IS NOW RISKING TO BE RELEGATED IN THIRD DIVISION, AND ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY GAMES. LEFT-WINGED, WITH A STRONG COMPONENT OF ANTIRACIST SKINHEADS. MAIN GROUPS: FOSSA DEI GRIFONI, KAPOVOLTI, RAGAZZI CERTOSA. FRIENDSHIPS WITH PISA, NAPOLI, ANCONA, COSENZA, TORINO. ENEMIES OF SAMPDORIA, MILAN (A LAD OF GENOA WAS STABBED TO DEATH DURING A FIGHT IN 1996).

INTER
ANOTHER HISTORICAL MOB. FIRST APPEREANCES IN 1969 WITH THE "BOYS" BANNER, WHICH IS STILL PRESENT AND STILL RULES THE CURVE. HISTORICALLY LINKED WITH EXTREME RIGHT WING ORGANISATIONS. BEYOND BOYS, OTHER GROUPS ARE THE ULTRAS AND THE IRRIDUCIBILI. FRIENDS OF VERONA AND LAZIO, AND ENEMIES OF MILAN, JUVENTUS), BOLOGNA, ATLANTA, BRESCIA, ROMA AND GENERALLY ALL THE LEFT WINGED LADS.

JUVENTUS
THE MOST HATED TEAM IN ITALY HAS LOGICALLY THE MOST HATED MOB IN ITALY. THEY OCCUPY BOTH THE ENDS OF THE STADIUM, THEY HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF LADS IN HOME GAMES, 'CAUSE THE STADIUM HAS GOOD PRICES FOR THE SEASON TICKETS BUT VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE SINGLE GAMES. RIGHT WINGED. THE CURVA SCIREA, THE MAIN END OF THE DELLE ALPI STADIUM, HAS A LONG AND TROUBLED STORY. IN THE EIGHTIES THE END WAS RULED FROM THE FIGHTERS AND THE BLACK-WHITE SUPPORTERS (TILL 1987), THEN CLOCKWORK ORANGE (ABT 1987-1990), THEN DROOGS (1990-1994) AND VECCHIA GUARDIA (1994-1996), THEN FROM 1996, BACK TO THE OLD NAME OF FIGHTERS 1977 HISTORICAL GROUP. THE OTHER END HOUSES THE AREA BIANCONERA - FRONTE BIANCONERO.

LAZIO
HOUSED IN THE NORTH END OF STADIO OLIMPICO, THE LAZIO ULTRAS MOVEMENT HAS BEEN RULED UNTIL THE END OF THE 80'S FROM THE EAGLES'SUPPORTERS. SINCE THEN, THE RULING GROUP HAS BEEN THE IRRIDUCIBILI GROUP. AFTER TAKING THE LEADERSHIP IN 1992, THEY DECIDE TO GIVE UP TO THE BANNER AND TO GIVE AN "ENGLISH-STYLE" DIRECTION TO THE IMAGE OF THE CURVA NORD, WITH FLAGS ON THE TERRACE, TWO STICKS-FLAGS AND SCARVES INSTEAD OF BIG FLAGS, BANNERS AND DRUMS. ONLY IN THE DERBY MATCHES WITH AS ROMA THEY CREATE GOOD ITALIAN- STYLED COREOGRAPHIES. HISTORICALLY RIGHT-WINGED, SINCE THE EAGLES'SUPPORTERS' TIMES. OTHER GROUPS: VIKING (I THINK THAT THE BANNER IS STILL PRESENT, EVEN IF IRRIDUCIBILI ARE BORN IN 1987 JUST FROM THE UNION OF THE VIKINGS AND ULTRAS 74), VETERANI.

LECCE
QUITE A GOOD MOB AT HOME, NOT AS WELL IN AWAY GAME, WHERE ANYWAY IS HELPED FROM THE NORMAL FANS IMMIGRATED IN THE OTHER CITIES. APOLITICAL (MAYBE SLIGHTLY LEFT-ORIENTATED), THE BIGGER GROUPS ARE AFRIKA SBALLATA (STONED AFRICA) AND FOSSA RASTA.

LIVORNO
THOUGH THE TEAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE SMALLER LEAGUES, LIVORNO HAS A VERY BIG FIRM, WITH THOUSANDS OF LADS FILLING UP THE STADIUM AND HUNDREDS FOLLOWING THE TEAM IN AWAY GAMES. DEEPLY LEFT-WINGED, THEIR BEST RIVALRY IS WITH PISA, WICH IS ONLY SOME 40 KM AWAY FROM LIVORNO, AND THE RIVALRY ERRUPTS NOT JUST DURING DERBY GAMES AND NOT JUST FOR FOOTBALL REASONS, BUT IN EVERY OCCASION AND AT ANY TIME. THE MOST REPRESENTING GROUP ARE VITULANO, FOSSA ULTRA', BULLDOGS. OTHER RIVALRIES WITH COMO AND LUCCHESE, THE FRIENDSHIPS WITH FIORENTINA (WHICH OFTEN SUPPORT THEM IN CLASHES AGAINST PISA FANS), SPEZIA, SAMPDORIA.

LUCCHESE
AFTER BEING IN 2nd DIVISION FOR SOME YEARS, HAVE NOW RETURNED TO THE THIRD DIVISION. THE FIRM IS NOT SO GOOD, DEFINITELY ON A LOWER STEP IN TUSCANY, FAR UNDER THE BIGGEST (FIORENTINA, PISA, LIVORNO, EMPOLI). RIVALRIES WITH BOTH PISA AND LIVORNO.

MESSINA
GOOD MOB FOR BEING IN THIRD/FOURTH DIVISION. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE IN SICILY, THEY USE TO GO ALMOST EVERYWHERE WITH A GOOD NUMBER OF LADS. BIGGEST GROUPS THE NOCS AND THE GGR (GIOVENTU' GIALLOROSSA / YELLOWRED YOUTH).

MILAN
ONE OF THE OLDEST AND BIGGEST FIRMS IN ITALY. BORN IN 1968 WITH THE "FOSSA DEI LEONI" FIRM, THE CURVA SUD HOUSES NOW THE "BRIGATE ROSSONERE" (SINCE 1975), AND OTHER GROUPS SUCH AS PANTHERS, BULLDOGS, ALTERNATIVA ROSSONERA, VECCHIA GUARDIA. THIS IS THE REAL LAIR OF THE LADS, IN THE SECOND RING, WHILE IN THE FIRST RING THERE ARE COMMANDOS TIGRE, RAMS KORPS AND SCONVOLTS. THE CURVA SUD HAS NOT ANY CLEAR POLITICAL DIRECTION THOUGH THE FASCISTS HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN IN THE CURVA, WHILE THE GROUPS IN THE FIRST RING ARE CLEARLY RIGHT-WINGED. VERY STRONG IN HOME GAMES AND ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY FIXTURES, THEY DON'T USE TO GET IN TROUBLES IF NOT PROVOKED, BUT IT'S BETTER TO NOT TO PROVOKE THEM! (AT THE MOMENT, THEY HAVE SOME TROUBLES WITH POLICE AFTER A COUPLE OF VIOLENT CLASHES LAST YEAR IN FLORENCE AND PERUGIA, ALWAYS WITH THE SAME DEPT. OF RIOT POLICE, THE ONES COMING FROM FLORENCE). NO VOCAL SUPPORT FROM THE GROUPS IN THE FIRST RING, WHICH GIVE ANYWAY A GOOD COLOUR SUPPORT WITH TORCHES AND FLAGS.

MODENA
BRIGATE GIALLOBLU HAVE RULED THE CURVA IN THE EIGHTIES AND MID NINETIES. I DON'T KNOW NOW IF THEY STILL RUN THE CURVA OR IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED. LEFT-WINGED.

MONZA
MONZA IS A SMALL TOWN VERY CLOSE TO MILAN, AND THE FIRM OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM IS WEAKENED FROM THIS CLOSENESS. VERY SMALL FIRM, ABOUT 100 PEOPLE IN HOME GAMES AND NOT ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY FIXTURES. MAIN GROUP THE GIOVENTU' BIANCOROSSA. MODERATELY RIGHT-WINGED. FRIENDS OF THE ULTRAS TRIESTINA.

NAPOLI
PROBABLY THE FIRST FIRM IN ITALY TO OCCUPY BOTH THE ENDS OF A STADIUM. VERY POWERFUL IN HOME GAMES, THEY CAN RELY ON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SINGING IN BOTH CURVES, AND A VISIT TO THE SAN PAOLO STADIUM WHEN NAPOLI IS PLAYING IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED FOR IT IS REALY IMPRESSING. IN AWAY GAMES THEY HAVE A STRONG SUPPORT FROM NORMAL FANS IN THE CITIES OF THE NORTH OF ITALY, AND SOMETIMES THE LADS GET INVOLVED IN KINDA TROUBLES WHICH ARE ABSLUTELY NOT RELATED WITH FOOTBALL HOOLIGANISM, SUCH AS THEFTS, ROBBERIES OR PLUNDERINGS OF HIGHWAY MARKETS. A GOOD MOB ANYWAY, WHEN NAPOLI COMES TO YOUR TOWN YOU HAVE TO EXPECT SOME THOUSANDS PEOPLE COMING. THEY ARE FRIENDS OF GENOA, AND SINCERELY I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OTHER FRIENDSHIPS, WHILE THEY ARE ENEMIES OF MANY MANY FIRMS, ESPECIALLY IN NORTH OF ITALY. SURE TROUBLES AT MATCHES AGAINST MILAN, INTER, VERONA, ROMA, SAMPDORIA, ATALANTA, ALSO FOR THE FACT THAT WHEN THEY HAD MARADONA AND A STRONG SQUAD, THEY USE TO GIVE SUSPICIONS FOR STRANGE CASES HAPPENED WITH REFEREES AND SO ON. MAIN GROUPS: COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA B, LIONS, BULLDOGS.

PARMA
THE FIRST BIG GROUP IN PARMA'S STADIUM HAS BEEN THE C.U.S. (CRUSADERS ULTRAS SUPPORTERS), WHICH HAVE BEEN SUPPLANTED DURING THE YEARS BY THE BOYS GROUP. APOLITICAL, THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN A FUNDAMENTAL GROUP IN THE ULTRAS SCENE IN ITALY, ALSO FOR THE FACT THAT PARMA HAS BECOME A FAMOUS TEAM IN THE LAST 10-15 YRS., WHEN THE TEAM HAS BEEN BOUGHT FROM THE PARMALAT INDUSTRY GROUP. ANOTHER GROUP IS THE "POTERE CROCIATO" (CRUSADE POWER).

PERUGIA
ACTIVE SINCE THE END OF THE SEVENTIES, THE "ARMATA ROSSA" RED ARMY) HAS BEEN AN HISTORICAL MID-RANGE FIRM FOR A MID- RANGE TEAM, GIVING STRONG SUPPORT OF SOME HUNDREDS LADS VERY FAITHFULL TO THE TEAM FROM THE TIMES OF FIRST DIV, TO THE TIMES OF THE THIRD DIV. IT'S A PITY THAT THEIR POWER IN HOME GA MES IS NOT ALWAYS THE SAME IN AWAY GAMES. BIG RIVALRIES WITH TERNANA FANS (PERUGIA AND TERNI ARE JUST ABOUT 30 KM AWAY ONE FROM EACH OTHER). OTHER GROUPS: RED LAIR. AS THEIR NAME CAN EXPLAIN, THEY ARE DEEPLY LEFT-WINGED AND THEREFORE ENEMIES OF ALL THE RIGHT-WINGED FIRMS.

PIACENZA
THE "LEGIONE GOTICA" IS THE MAIN FIRM OF PIACENZA LADS. KNOWN IN ITALY ONLY FOR BEING FRIENDS OF THE JUVENTUS'LADS (ONLY ONES IN WHOLE ITALY...). RIGHT-WINGED, BUT REALLY ININFLUENTIAL ON ITALIAN SCENE.

PISA
ALTHOUGH THE TEAM HAS HAD BIG BIG PROBLEMS IN THE LAST YEARS, EVEN BEING EXPELLED FROM ALL THE LEAGUES IN ITALY FOR BANKRUPTCY PROBLEMS, AND THEN RE-ESTABLISHED, THEIR FIRM HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY STRONG ... IT WAS REALLY FUNNY TO FOLLOW THEM IN THE NEWS, WHEN THEY WENT INTO MATCHES IN THE LOCAL LEAGUES, IN GROUNDS WITH AN AVERAGE ATTENDANCE OF 50 PEOPLES AND NO LADS, THEY USE TO GO IN SEVERAL HUNDREDS, CAUSING PROBLEMS NOT FOR THEIR BEHAVIOUR, BUT 'CAUSE THE GROUNDS COULD NOT BEAR ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

REGGINA
SEASON 1999/2000 IS THE FIRST TIME THE CLUB HAS BEEN IN THE FIRST DIVISION, SO THE CONTACTS WITH OTHER CLUBS / FIRMS ARE JUST A FEW. RIGHT-WINGED. ENEMIES OF FOGGIA. FRIENDS OF ROMA AND TORINO. MAIN GROUPS: CUCN (COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA NORD), BOYS, ULTRAS.

ROMA
THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE FIRMS WHICH HAVE MADE THE HISTORY OF THE ULTRAS
MOVEMENT NOT JUST IN ITALY, BUT IN THE WHOLE EUROPE.
THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE FIRST WAVE OF THE ITALIAN ULTRA SCENE WHICH
TOOKPLACE IN THE LATE 60'S AND THE BEGINNING OF THE 70'S, WITH MANY LITTLE GROUPS OCCUPYING BOTH THE ENDS OF THE STADIO OLIMPICO.
IN 1977 ALL THE GROUPS DECIDED TO UNI TE THEMSELVES BEHIND THE BIG BANNER OF COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA SUD. AFTER A FEW YEARS, AT THE DAWN OF THE EIGHTIES THEY WERE ONE OF THE BIGGEST GROUPS IN ITALY, WITH A SPECTACULAR ORGANISATION, GREAT COREOGRAPHIES AND A MASSIVE PRESENCE ALL OVER ITALY AND EUROPE.
THE GROUP HAD A BIG SPLIT IN 1987 AND KNEW A LONG PERIOD OF DECADENCE FOR MOST OF THE NINETIES, WITH THE FRAGMENTATION OF THE CURVA SUD IN TO MANY MANY SMALL GROUPS, WITH THE CUCS, WHICH WAS ONE OF THESE GROUPS, WHO HAD THE BIG BANNER
IN THE MAIN TERRACE OF THE CURVA SUD.
THE BANNER, THE ORGANISATION AND THE GREAT HISTORY OF CUCS WAS DRIVEN OUT FROM THE CURVA IN THE FIRST HOME GAME OF 1999/2000 SEASON, AND A NEW GROUP, "AS ROMA ULTRAS" HAS TAKEN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CURVA. TIME WILL TELL...
POLITICALLY, IN THE SEVENTIES THE MAJORITY OF THE FIRM WAS LEFT-WINGED, EVEN WITH FASCIST GROUPS LIKE THE BOYS AND THE FEDAYN BEING ACTIVE AT THE TIME, BUT IN THE LAST 5 YEARS THE FIRM HAS STRONGLY TURNED INTO RIGHT-HANDED.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENEMIES: MILAN, INTER, JUVE, NAPOLI, BOLOGNA, VERONA, FIORENTINA.
OTHER ROMA GROUPS: BOYS, FEDAYN, OPPOSTA FA ZIONE, GENS ROMANA.

SALENITANA
GOOD MOB FROM THE SOUTH OF ITALY. STRONG RIVALRY WITH NAPOLI, WHICH IS LESS
THAN 100 KM AWAY, AND OF FIORENTINA. LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUTH ITALY FIRMS, THEY ALSO ARE RIGHT-WINGED.

SAMPDORIA
ANOTHER FIRM WHO MADE THE HISTORY OF THE ITALIAN FANS' MOVEMENT WHAT IT IS TODAY. THE UTS (ULTRA TITO SAMPDORIA, NAMED AFTER TITO CUCCHIARONI, AN OLD DORIA'S PLAYER) WERE ESTABLISHED IN 1968. ALWAYS PRESENT IN HOME AND AWAY GAMES IN GOOD NUMBERS, ARE NOW FOLLOWING THE TEAM IN THE 2nd DIVISION IN THE SAME WAY THEY DID 10YRS AGO, WHEN THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE STRUGGLE FOR THE SCUDETTO.
BIG RIVALRIES WITH GENOA (THE OTHER TEAM OF THE CITY, UNFORGETTABLE WAS
THE CLASH SOME YEARS AGO, WITH SOME 500 LADS WERE INVOLVED IN A PRE-ARRANGED FIGHT), MILAN, ROMA, TORINO, PISA, BOLOGNA.
GOOD GOOD MOB ALSO FOR GREAT COREOGRAPHIES INVOLVING SOMETIMES THE WHOLE STADIUM.

SPEZIA
QUITE A GOOD MOB, CONSIDERING THEY PLAY IN THE MINOR LEAGUES. RIGHT-WINGED, THEY ARE FRIENDS OF UTC SAMPDORIA, BOYS PARMA AND BOYS VARESE. THEIR GREAT ENEMIES ARE THE PISA FANS (GREAT CLASHES ABOUT 5 YRS. AGO, WHEN THE MAYOR OF THE CITY GAVE THE END OF THE SPEZIA FANS TO THE PISA FIRM, AS THEY TURNED UP IN THEIR THOUSANDS AND THE END OF SPEZIA IS BIGGER THAN THE ONE FOR AWAY FANS. THE SPEZIA FANS TRIED TO GET AT THEIR RIVALS, BUT THEY HAD TO FIGHT FOR A LONG TIME WITH THE POLICE. ONCE IN THE STADIUM, THEY DECIDED THAT IF THEY WERE NOT IN THEIR END, THE GAME COULD NOT BE PLAYED. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, THEY DID NOT PLAY...
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TORINO
ANOTHER HISTORICAL FIRM OF THE ITALIAN MOVEMENT. FOUNDED IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES, THEY BECAME FAMOUS FOR FURIOUS CLASHES WITH ATALANTA FANS IN 1971.
MAJOR GROUPS ARE THE ULTRAS GRANATA END THE RAGAZZI DELLA MARATONA (MARATONA'S BOYS, THE MARATONA IS THE NAME OF THE TORO'S FIRM END) AND THE GRANATA KORPS. WHILE THE LAST ONE IS STRONGLY RIGHT-WINGED, THE OTHER ONES ARE LEFT-WINGED AND MORE MODERATE. RIVALRIES WITH JUVENTUS, ATALANTA, PIACENZA (BECAUSE PIACENZA LADS ARE FRIENDS OF THE JUVE LADS), SAMPDORIA.
FRIENDS OF GENOA, FIORENTINA, ONCE ALSO VERONA, THOUGH MAYBE NOT SO MUCH THESE DAYS.

TERNANA
THE FREAK BROTHERS ARE THE HISTORICAL GROUP OF THIS MOB, STANDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LIBERATI STADIUM. THEY WERE BORN IN THE MID-SEVENTIES, WHEN TERNANA USED YO-YO BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND DIV. THEY ARE STRONGLY LEFT-WINGED, AND FOR MOSTLY POLITICAL REASONS THEIR BEST FRIENDS ARE THE OLD GUARD OF THE ATALANTA LADS.
OTHER STRONG FRIENDSHIP WITH THE UTC SAMPDORIA.
FIRST, UNIQUE AND STRONGEST RIVALRY IS NATURALLY THE ONE WITH THE PERUGIA FANS.
OTHER ONES, EVEN IF WEAKER, WITH SALERNITANA AND LIVORNO.

TRIESTINA
ULTRAS TRIESTE 1976 IS THE MAIN LOGO IN THE STEFANO FURLAN END. (STEFANO FURLAN IS A LAD WHO DIED IN 1984 AFTER BEING BEATEN BY THE POLICE). STRONGLY RIGHT-WINGED, THEIR FRIENDS ARE THE LADS OF VERONA, WHILE THE WORST ENEMIS ARE THE UDINESE FANS.

UDINESE
THEY ARE PART OF THE "SECOND GENERATION" OF ULTRAS IN ITALY. THEY WERE BORN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EIGHTIES, TOGETHER WITH THE GROWING OF THE TEAM FROM THE MINOR CHAMPIONSHIPS TO THE MAJOR DIVISIONS. REALLY NOT SO GOOD, POLITICALLY SIDED ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THEY DO NOT USUALLY DISPLAY ANY POLITICAL SYMBOLS ON THE TERRACES, BUT SOME YEARS AGO THEY CREATE BIG PROBLEMS TO THE TEAM, WHICH WANTED TO BUY THE JEWISH PLAYER ROSENTHAL, WHO LATER PLAYED IN ENGLAND (LIVERPOOL). MAIN GROUPS: HOOLIGANS TEDDY BOYS, BRIGATA ULTRA'. FRIENDS: ROMA. ENEMIES: TRIESTINA, VERONA.

VENEZIA
ULTRAS UNIONE IS THE MAIN GROUP OF THIS MOB, ESTABLISHED VERY RECENTLY FOR ALSO THE TEAM HAS BEEN FOUNDED MAYBE 10 YRS. AGO, MELTING DOWN THE VENEZIA FC (BLACK&GREEN) AND THE MESTRE (ORANGE&BLACK). APOLITICAL IN THE FACADE, INFACT LEFT-WINGED. AMONG THEIR ENEMIES THERE ARE THE CAGLIARI MOB AND THE VERONA FANS. DEFINITELY A SECONDARY MOB IN THE SCENE.

VERONA
THIS IS A VERY PARTICULAR CASE IN THE ITALIAN SCENE. ULTRAS IN VERONA ARE BORN IN THE EARLY 70'S, WITH THE MAIN GROUP BRIGATE GIALLOBLU AND THE OTHERS, ULTRAS AND HELLAS ALCOOL. THEY BECAME FAMOUS IN THE EIGHTIES FOR BEING VERY VIOLENT AND OPENLY SIDED ON THE RIGHT-WING. AFTER BEING STRONGLY PROSECUTED FOR MANY YEARS, AT THE END OF THE EIGHTIES THEY DECIDED TO ABORT EVERY KIND OF ORGANISATION, AND TO BECOME A PROPER "ENGLISH STYLE" MOB. THIS HAS BEEN MADE ON ONE SIDE FOR THEIR RESPECT FOR THE ENGLISH HOOLIGAN MOVEMENT, AND MORE PRATICALLY FOR THE REASON THAT EVERY ULTRAS GROUP HAS A KIND OF "DIRECTION COMMITEE", WHICH IS WELL KNOWN TO THE TEAM MANAGERS ANDTHE POLICE OFFICERS. THESE PEOPLE WERE ALLWAYS INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN TROUBLE, SO THEY DECIDEDTHAT EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF. SINCE THAT MOMENT, THEY SIMPLY BECAME THE "HELLAS FANS" (HELLAS VERONA IS THE NAME OF THE TEAM, FOR IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY GREEKS AT THE BEGINNING OF XX CENTURY). GROUP WHICH DESERVES RESPECT FOR A GOOD ULTRAS MENTALITY, WITH NO BLADES AND NO AMBUSH. THEY ARE FRIENDS OF THE CHELSEA HEADHUNTERS SINCE THE SEVENTIES, AND IN ITALY ARE LINKED WITH INTER, LAZIO, FIORENTINA, SAMPDORIA AND LECCE FANS. AMONG THE ENEMIES: MILAN, JUVE, ROMA, ATALANTA, BRESCIA.

VICENZA
MAIN GROUP OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF MENTI STADIUM ARE THE VIGILANTES. ACTIVE SINCE 1978, THEY ARE CERTAINLY A GOOD GROUP IN THE ITALIAN MOVEMENT, ALTHOUGH THE TEAM GOES UP AND DOWN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND DIVISION. UNDER POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW, MAYBE A LITTLE PREDOMINANCY OF RIGHT-WINGED ELEMENTS, HOWEVER THEY DON'T DISPLAY ANY POLITICAL SYMBOLS WHILE SUPPORTING THE TEAM. FRIENDS: GENOA, REGGIANA, METZ (FRANCE). ENEMIES: VERONA, TRIESTINA.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

I'm not denying some ultras movements do contain what you said. However, you cannot define what is and what isn't "ultra".. Just because the UB aren't up the gallowgate with a machete doesn't mean they're not ultras. Ultra is a mentality, not a thing you can be physically just because you launch flares and sing.. And I'd guarantee any South American mob would say the same ;)

Obviously loads of things in this don't apply to Scotland, but this is Ultras-Tifo's definition of Ultras. http://www.ultras-ti...-is-ultras.html

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:48 PM

I'm not denying some ultras movements do contain what you said. However, you cannot define what is and what isn't "ultra".. Just because the UB aren't up the gallowgate with a machete doesn't mean they're not ultras. Ultra is a mentality, not a thing you can be physically just because you launch flares and sing.. And I'd guarantee any South American mob would say the same ;)

Obviously loads of things in this don't apply to Scotland, but this is Ultras-Tifo's definition of Ultras. http://www.ultras-ti...-is-ultras.html


This is the first paragraph in your own link.

An Ultras has no name, only good friends know him. An Ultras has no face, most of the time a hood is covering his head, a scarf covering his mouth. An Ultras doesn't dress like others and doesn't follow trends and like the latest. When he walks the streets even though he has no supporter logos he is recognizable. An Ultras attacks if attacked, and helps when needed, they don't stop being ultras as soon as they take their scarf off and return home, they battle 7 days a week.

So care to explain the above face palm?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:49 PM

As SC1312 said, its a mentality.

I genuinely cant believe you said "Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans."

That happens ONLY in South America.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:50 PM

This is the first paragraph in your own link.

An Ultras has no name, only good friends know him. An Ultras has no face, most of the time a hood is covering his head, a scarf covering his mouth. An Ultras doesn't dress like others and doesn't follow trends and like the latest. When he walks the streets even though he has no supporter logos he is recognizable. An Ultras attacks if attacked, and helps when needed, they don't stop being ultras as soon as they take their scarf off and return home, they battle 7 days a week.

So care to explain the above face palm?

You've said an ultra is someone who stabs and shoots people, thats actually usually a murderer.

The above says if theyre attacked, they attack. Which is the same with everyone in the world, naw?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:53 PM

As SC1312 said, its a mentality.

I genuinely cant believe you said "Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans."

That happens ONLY in South America.


Most Ultras across Europe are involved in hooliganism, maybe not stabbing and shooting.


The only thing the Union Bears have in common with Ultras is tifo displays. That's it.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:58 PM

Most Ultras across Europe are involved in hooliganism, maybe not stabbing and shooting.


The only thing the Union Bears have in common with Ultras is tifo displays. That's it.

Not most, but some are involved as there is no difference between their casuals and ultras in countrys like Italy.

To say they have nothing in common with ultras and arent when you clearly have no knowledge of it at all is silly.

I dont involve myself in conversations I don't understand. ;)

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:00 PM

Re the Italians

I've been to Juve, (twice) Parma (twice) Fiorentina and Livorno and I've never seen any of these people

I suspect they are a figment of their own imagination

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

Whilst you lads are arguing about the definition of an 'ultra', I think the section has given Rangers fans a voice. They are vehement in their support for the club which has gotten them recognition by Charles Green and McCoist. There's a real feel of togetherness now at Ibrox, and a lot of that comes from the Union Bears. The Sun is trying to sell newspapers and by that they're spouting a load of shit.





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