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#81 neilstonloyal

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostStato, on 19 September 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Nae chance is that anyone in UB mate.
i can assure you there in UB

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM

View Postswally, on 19 September 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Because I have been going to fitba for nearly 50 years as have all my mates and im fucked if any of us knows what an ultra is

That's why it's a load of pish
Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:26 PM

View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.


Do they get pished?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:28 PM

View Postswally, on 19 September 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Do they get pished?

Only the Muslim ones.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

View Postneilstonloyal, on 19 September 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

i can assure you there in UB
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Only the Muslim ones.

Where do I join?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostStato, on 19 September 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

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Would you care to explain what an Ultra is then?

And please point me in the direction of any Ultra movement (not in Scotland) that don't indulge in said violence.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

Singing loudly - Great ; Waving banners - Great.

Flares and smokebombs? Never understood it, and if anyone can explain the point behind it (not UB, just anywhere where it happens).

Certainly don't think they should be held up as the worst of the worst and all that sort of stuff, indeed the days of true football hooligans have long since past, hopefully never to return in the UK.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

Here is just the Italian Ultras.

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ANCONA
THE MAIN GROUP IS THE "COLLETTIVO",  THEY ARE ANTI-RACISTS AND ANTI-FASCISTS. THEY HAVE A GOOD MOB EVEN  THOUGH THE TEAM IS NOW IN 3rd DIVISION. STRONG RIVALRY WITH ASCOLI, FOR  BOTH REASONS OF GEOGRAPHICAL CLOSENESS AND POLITICAL OPPOSITION.

ANDRIA
THE TEAM WERE IN THE 2nd DIV A FEW YEARS AGO BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THEY  DROPPED BACK TO THE 3rd DIV AT THE END OF THE LAST SEASON. THE  HISTORICAL GROUP - THE NEW BLUE GENERATION - HAS GIVEN UP IN SEP, 98.  AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD OF FRAGMENTATION, THE HARD CORE OF NBG HAS  ESTABLISHED A NEW GROUP, THE BRIGATA FIDELIS. CELTIC CROSSES ALWAYS  PRESENT IN THEIR SIDE.

AREZZO
LEFT-WINGED, IF I HAVE TO BE  SINCERE, I HAD NOT NEWS FROM THEM FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN THEY WERE IN 2nd  DIVI- SION THEY USE TO HAVE A GOOD MOB, WITH FINE SPECTACLES WITH FLAGS  AND FIREWORKS.

ASCOLI
THE MAIN GROUP IS THE SETTEMBRE  BIANCONERO. THEY ARE RIGHT-WINGED AND THEY HAVEN'T NOW A BIG MOB, ALSO  FOR THEY ARE NOW IN 3rd DIV. SEE ALSO ANCONA BOX.

ATALANTA
  TWO MAIN GROUPS: BRIGATE NEROAZZURRE AND WILD KAOS THEY ARE LEFT WINGED,  WITH MAYBE SOME LEAGUERS (FANS OF THE LEGA LOMBARDA, THE PARTY WHICH  FIGHTS FOR THE INDEPENDANCE OF NORTH ITALY). GOOD MOB, ALWAYS PRESENT IN  AWAY GAMES AND POWERFUL IN HOME GAMES. RIVALRY WITH FANS OF BRESCIA,  VERONA, MILAN, INTER, ROMA.
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BARI
UCN IS THE  MAIN GROUP (ULTRAS CURVA NORD). RIGHT-WINGED. STRONG RIVALS OF LECCE  FANS. LIKE ALL THE TEAMS OF SOUTH ITALY, HAS A STRONG SUPPORT FROM  IMMIGRATED FANS IN AWAY GAMES IN NORTH ITALY (NORMAL FANS, NOT ULTRAS),  BUT THE MOB IS NOT SO STRONG.

BOLOGNA
TWO MAIN GROUPS,  FOREVER ULTRAS AND MODS. THE FU ARE LEFT - WINGED AND THEY ARE THE  HISTORICAL GROUP OF THE "CURVA ANDREA COSTA", THE MODS ARE RIGHT-WINGED  AND WERE BORN MORE RECENTLY. THE TWO GROUPS DON'T HAVE A GOOD  RELATIONSHIP AND THESE TROUBLES HAVE BROUGHT AN END TO THE FRIENDSHIP OF  THE ULTRAS WITH THE MILAN MOB AFTER 20 YRS. AND A NEW FRIENDSHIP WITH  AS ROMA ULTRAS, THAT SEEMS NOW TO BE ALREADY ENDED. QUITE GOOD MOB.

BRESCIA
UNTIL THE END OF LAST SEASON, THE "CURVA NORD" WAS RULED BY THE CUCN  (COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA NORD), WHICH GAVE UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW  SEASON. THIS YEAR THE LEADERSHIP IN THE NORTH CURVE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER  BY THE "PAESA'" GRP, WHO ARE DOING THEIR BEST FOR GIVING A GOOD SUPPORT  TO THE TEAM. GOOD MOB, BEST FRIENDS OF THE MILAN MOB, ENEMIES OF VERONA,  ATALANTA, ROMA.

CAGLIARI
TWO MAJOR GROUPS, "SCONVOLTS"  AND "FURIOSI", BOTH RIGHT-WINGED. STRONG RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS.  (IN MILAN LAST YEAR THEY DIVIDED THE AWAY FANS SECTOR IN TWO PARTS AND  SUPPORTED THE TEAM WITH DIFFERENT SONGS).

CESENA
THE  HISTORICAL BANNER IN THE SOUTH CURVE IS THE "WEISSCHWARTZ BRIGADEN"  WHICH HAS STOOD THERE SINCE THE MID EIGHTIES AT LEAST. GOOD MOB AT HOME,  MAYBE LESS IN AWAY GAMES.

COMO
FOSSA LARIANA WAS THE  HISTORICAL GROUP IN THE EIGHTIES AND IN THE NINETIES. APOLITICAL, THEY  ARE A VERY GOOD FIRM, DESPITE THE CITY OF COMO BEING QUITE SMALL AND  RICH. ONCE THEY WERE ALLIED WITH MILAN FIRMS, THOUGH THE FRIENDSHIP IS  NOT AS STRONG AS IT ONCE WAS. BIG RIOTS IN THE CITY WHEN VARESE AND  LECCO FANS COME.

EMPOLI
RANGERS AND DESPERADOS ARE THE  BIGGEST AND OLDEST GROUPS. THE FIRM IS LEFT-WINGED AND GIVE A GOOD  SUPPORT IN HOME GAMES, WHILE THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS PRESENT IN A GOOD NUMBER  IN AWAY GAMES.

FIORENTINA
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FIRMS  IN ITALY. UNTIL 1994 OCCUPIED THE ONLY "CURVA FIESOLE", HISTORICAL LAIR  OF THE PURPLE LADS. THEN SOME GROUPS, DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH HAVING SEASON  TICKETS FOR ALL, DECIDED TO GO INTO THE "CURVA MARIONE" AND TO CREATE A  DOUBLE CURVA SYSTEM, AND GIVE A DOUBLE SUPPORT TO THE TEAM DURING THE  MATCH. THE MAIN PART OF BOTH THE CURVES ARE LEFT WINGED, THE MAIN GROUPS  ARE: COLLETTIVO AUTONOMO VIOLA (CAV), "SETTEBELLO", "VIEUSSEUX" IN THE  CURVA FIESOLE, AND "ONDA D'URTO" (EX ALCOOL CAMPI) AND "DIRETTIVO" IN  THE MARIONE CURVE. FRIENDSHIP WITH TORINO AND VERONA AND RIVALRIES WITH  JUVENTUS, MILAN, INTER, ROMA.

GENOA
ANOTHER VERY GOOD MOB,  ALWAYS CROWDING THE GRADINATA NORD OF THE MARASSI STADIUM EVEN THOUGH  THE TEAM IS IN THE SECOND DIVISION AND IS NOW RISKING TO BE RELEGATED IN  THIRD DIVISION, AND ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY GAMES. LEFT-WINGED, WITH A  STRONG COMPONENT OF ANTIRACIST SKINHEADS. MAIN GROUPS: FOSSA DEI  GRIFONI, KAPOVOLTI, RAGAZZI CERTOSA. FRIENDSHIPS WITH PISA, NAPOLI,  ANCONA, COSENZA, TORINO. ENEMIES OF SAMPDORIA, MILAN (A LAD OF GENOA WAS  STABBED TO DEATH DURING A FIGHT IN 1996).

INTER
ANOTHER  HISTORICAL MOB. FIRST APPEREANCES IN 1969 WITH THE "BOYS" BANNER, WHICH  IS STILL PRESENT AND STILL RULES THE CURVE. HISTORICALLY LINKED WITH  EXTREME RIGHT WING ORGANISATIONS. BEYOND BOYS, OTHER GROUPS ARE THE  ULTRAS AND THE IRRIDUCIBILI. FRIENDS OF VERONA AND LAZIO, AND ENEMIES OF  MILAN, JUVENTUS), BOLOGNA, ATLANTA, BRESCIA, ROMA AND GENERALLY ALL THE  LEFT WINGED LADS.

JUVENTUS
THE MOST HATED TEAM IN ITALY  HAS LOGICALLY THE MOST HATED MOB IN ITALY. THEY OCCUPY BOTH THE ENDS OF  THE STADIUM, THEY HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF LADS IN HOME GAMES, 'CAUSE THE  STADIUM HAS GOOD PRICES FOR THE SEASON TICKETS BUT VERY EXPENSIVE FOR  THE SINGLE GAMES. RIGHT WINGED. THE CURVA SCIREA, THE MAIN END OF THE  DELLE ALPI STADIUM, HAS A LONG AND TROUBLED STORY. IN THE EIGHTIES THE  END WAS RULED FROM THE FIGHTERS AND THE BLACK-WHITE SUPPORTERS (TILL  1987), THEN CLOCKWORK ORANGE (ABT 1987-1990), THEN DROOGS (1990-1994)  AND VECCHIA GUARDIA (1994-1996), THEN FROM 1996, BACK TO THE OLD NAME OF  FIGHTERS 1977 HISTORICAL GROUP. THE OTHER END HOUSES THE AREA  BIANCONERA - FRONTE BIANCONERO.

LAZIO
HOUSED IN THE NORTH  END OF STADIO OLIMPICO, THE LAZIO ULTRAS MOVEMENT HAS BEEN RULED UNTIL  THE END OF THE 80'S FROM THE EAGLES'SUPPORTERS. SINCE THEN, THE RULING  GROUP HAS BEEN THE IRRIDUCIBILI GROUP. AFTER TAKING THE LEADERSHIP IN  1992, THEY DECIDE TO GIVE UP TO THE BANNER AND TO GIVE AN  "ENGLISH-STYLE" DIRECTION TO THE IMAGE OF THE CURVA NORD, WITH FLAGS ON  THE TERRACE, TWO STICKS-FLAGS AND SCARVES INSTEAD OF BIG FLAGS, BANNERS  AND DRUMS. ONLY IN THE DERBY MATCHES WITH AS ROMA THEY CREATE GOOD  ITALIAN- STYLED COREOGRAPHIES. HISTORICALLY RIGHT-WINGED, SINCE THE  EAGLES'SUPPORTERS' TIMES. OTHER GROUPS: VIKING (I THINK THAT THE BANNER  IS STILL PRESENT, EVEN IF IRRIDUCIBILI ARE BORN IN 1987 JUST FROM THE  UNION OF THE VIKINGS AND ULTRAS 74), VETERANI.

LECCE
QUITE  A GOOD MOB AT HOME, NOT AS WELL IN AWAY GAME, WHERE ANYWAY IS HELPED  FROM THE NORMAL FANS IMMIGRATED IN THE OTHER CITIES. APOLITICAL (MAYBE  SLIGHTLY LEFT-ORIENTATED), THE BIGGER GROUPS ARE AFRIKA SBALLATA (STONED  AFRICA) AND FOSSA RASTA.

LIVORNO
THOUGH THE TEAM HAS  ALWAYS BEEN IN THE SMALLER LEAGUES, LIVORNO HAS A VERY BIG FIRM, WITH  THOUSANDS OF LADS FILLING UP THE STADIUM AND HUNDREDS FOLLOWING THE TEAM  IN AWAY GAMES. DEEPLY LEFT-WINGED, THEIR BEST RIVALRY IS WITH PISA,  WICH IS ONLY SOME 40 KM AWAY FROM LIVORNO, AND THE RIVALRY ERRUPTS NOT  JUST DURING DERBY GAMES AND NOT JUST FOR FOOTBALL REASONS, BUT IN EVERY  OCCASION AND AT ANY TIME. THE MOST REPRESENTING GROUP ARE VITULANO,  FOSSA ULTRA', BULLDOGS. OTHER RIVALRIES WITH COMO AND LUCCHESE, THE  FRIENDSHIPS WITH FIORENTINA (WHICH OFTEN SUPPORT THEM IN CLASHES AGAINST  PISA FANS), SPEZIA, SAMPDORIA.

LUCCHESE
AFTER BEING IN  2nd DIVISION FOR SOME YEARS, HAVE NOW RETURNED TO THE THIRD DIVISION.  THE FIRM IS NOT SO GOOD, DEFINITELY ON A LOWER STEP IN TUSCANY, FAR  UNDER THE BIGGEST (FIORENTINA, PISA, LIVORNO, EMPOLI). RIVALRIES WITH  BOTH PISA AND LIVORNO.

MESSINA
GOOD MOB FOR BEING IN  THIRD/FOURTH DIVISION. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE IN SICILY, THEY USE TO GO  ALMOST EVERYWHERE WITH A GOOD NUMBER OF LADS. BIGGEST GROUPS THE NOCS  AND THE GGR (GIOVENTU' GIALLOROSSA / YELLOWRED YOUTH).

MILAN
ONE OF THE OLDEST AND BIGGEST FIRMS IN ITALY. BORN IN 1968 WITH THE  "FOSSA DEI LEONI" FIRM, THE CURVA SUD HOUSES NOW THE "BRIGATE ROSSONERE"  (SINCE 1975), AND OTHER GROUPS SUCH AS PANTHERS, BULLDOGS, ALTERNATIVA  ROSSONERA, VECCHIA GUARDIA. THIS IS THE REAL LAIR OF THE LADS, IN THE  SECOND RING, WHILE IN THE FIRST RING THERE ARE COMMANDOS TIGRE, RAMS  KORPS AND SCONVOLTS. THE CURVA SUD HAS NOT ANY CLEAR POLITICAL DIRECTION  THOUGH THE FASCISTS HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN IN THE CURVA, WHILE THE GROUPS  IN THE FIRST RING ARE CLEARLY RIGHT-WINGED. VERY STRONG IN HOME GAMES  AND ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY FIXTURES, THEY DON'T USE TO GET IN TROUBLES  IF NOT PROVOKED, BUT IT'S BETTER TO NOT TO PROVOKE THEM! (AT THE MOMENT,  THEY HAVE SOME TROUBLES WITH POLICE AFTER A COUPLE OF VIOLENT CLASHES  LAST YEAR IN FLORENCE AND PERUGIA, ALWAYS WITH THE SAME DEPT. OF RIOT  POLICE, THE ONES COMING FROM FLORENCE). NO VOCAL SUPPORT FROM THE GROUPS  IN THE FIRST RING, WHICH GIVE ANYWAY A GOOD COLOUR SUPPORT WITH TORCHES  AND FLAGS.

MODENA
BRIGATE GIALLOBLU HAVE RULED THE CURVA  IN THE EIGHTIES AND MID NINETIES. I DON'T KNOW NOW IF THEY STILL RUN THE  CURVA OR IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED. LEFT-WINGED.

MONZA
  MONZA IS A SMALL TOWN VERY CLOSE TO MILAN, AND THE FIRM OF THE FOOTBALL  TEAM IS WEAKENED FROM THIS CLOSENESS. VERY SMALL FIRM, ABOUT 100 PEOPLE  IN HOME GAMES AND NOT ALWAYS PRESENT IN AWAY FIXTURES. MAIN GROUP THE  GIOVENTU' BIANCOROSSA. MODERATELY RIGHT-WINGED. FRIENDS OF THE ULTRAS  TRIESTINA.

NAPOLI
PROBABLY THE FIRST FIRM IN ITALY TO  OCCUPY BOTH THE ENDS OF A STADIUM. VERY POWERFUL IN HOME GAMES, THEY CAN  RELY ON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SINGING IN BOTH CURVES, AND A VISIT TO THE  SAN PAOLO STADIUM WHEN NAPOLI IS PLAYING IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED FOR IT IS  REALY IMPRESSING. IN AWAY GAMES THEY HAVE A STRONG SUPPORT FROM NORMAL  FANS IN THE CITIES OF THE NORTH OF ITALY, AND SOMETIMES THE LADS GET  INVOLVED IN KINDA TROUBLES WHICH ARE ABSLUTELY NOT RELATED WITH FOOTBALL  HOOLIGANISM, SUCH AS THEFTS, ROBBERIES OR PLUNDERINGS OF HIGHWAY  MARKETS. A GOOD MOB ANYWAY, WHEN NAPOLI COMES TO YOUR TOWN YOU HAVE TO  EXPECT SOME THOUSANDS PEOPLE COMING. THEY ARE FRIENDS OF GENOA, AND  SINCERELY I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OTHER FRIENDSHIPS, WHILE THEY ARE ENEMIES  OF MANY MANY FIRMS, ESPECIALLY IN NORTH OF ITALY. SURE TROUBLES AT  MATCHES AGAINST MILAN, INTER, VERONA, ROMA, SAMPDORIA, ATALANTA, ALSO  FOR THE FACT THAT WHEN THEY HAD MARADONA AND A STRONG SQUAD, THEY USE TO  GIVE SUSPICIONS FOR STRANGE CASES HAPPENED WITH REFEREES AND SO ON.  MAIN GROUPS: COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA B, LIONS, BULLDOGS.

PARMA
THE FIRST BIG GROUP IN PARMA'S STADIUM HAS BEEN THE C.U.S. (CRUSADERS  ULTRAS SUPPORTERS), WHICH HAVE BEEN SUPPLANTED DURING THE YEARS BY THE  BOYS GROUP. APOLITICAL, THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN A FUNDAMENTAL GROUP IN THE  ULTRAS SCENE IN ITALY, ALSO FOR THE FACT THAT PARMA HAS BECOME A FAMOUS  TEAM IN THE LAST 10-15 YRS., WHEN THE TEAM HAS BEEN BOUGHT FROM THE  PARMALAT INDUSTRY GROUP. ANOTHER GROUP IS THE "POTERE CROCIATO" (CRUSADE  POWER).

PERUGIA
ACTIVE SINCE THE END OF THE SEVENTIES, THE  "ARMATA ROSSA" RED ARMY) HAS BEEN AN HISTORICAL MID-RANGE FIRM FOR A  MID- RANGE TEAM, GIVING STRONG SUPPORT OF SOME HUNDREDS LADS VERY  FAITHFULL TO THE TEAM FROM THE TIMES OF FIRST DIV, TO THE TIMES OF THE  THIRD DIV. IT'S A PITY THAT THEIR POWER IN HOME GA MES IS NOT ALWAYS THE  SAME IN AWAY GAMES. BIG RIVALRIES WITH TERNANA FANS (PERUGIA AND TERNI  ARE JUST ABOUT 30 KM AWAY ONE FROM EACH OTHER). OTHER GROUPS: RED LAIR.  AS THEIR NAME CAN EXPLAIN, THEY ARE DEEPLY LEFT-WINGED AND THEREFORE  ENEMIES OF ALL THE RIGHT-WINGED FIRMS.

PIACENZA
THE "LEGIONE  GOTICA" IS THE MAIN FIRM OF PIACENZA LADS. KNOWN IN ITALY ONLY FOR  BEING FRIENDS OF THE JUVENTUS'LADS (ONLY ONES IN WHOLE ITALY...).  RIGHT-WINGED, BUT REALLY ININFLUENTIAL ON ITALIAN SCENE.

PISA
ALTHOUGH THE TEAM HAS HAD BIG BIG PROBLEMS IN THE LAST YEARS, EVEN  BEING EXPELLED FROM ALL THE LEAGUES IN ITALY FOR BANKRUPTCY PROBLEMS,  AND THEN RE-ESTABLISHED, THEIR FIRM HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY STRONG ... IT  WAS REALLY FUNNY TO FOLLOW THEM IN THE NEWS, WHEN THEY WENT INTO MATCHES  IN THE LOCAL LEAGUES, IN GROUNDS WITH AN AVERAGE ATTENDANCE OF 50  PEOPLES AND NO LADS, THEY USE TO GO IN SEVERAL HUNDREDS, CAUSING  PROBLEMS NOT FOR THEIR BEHAVIOUR, BUT 'CAUSE THE GROUNDS COULD NOT BEAR  ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

REGGINA
SEASON 1999/2000 IS THE FIRST  TIME THE CLUB HAS BEEN IN THE FIRST DIVISION, SO THE CONTACTS WITH OTHER  CLUBS / FIRMS ARE JUST A FEW. RIGHT-WINGED. ENEMIES OF FOGGIA. FRIENDS  OF ROMA AND TORINO. MAIN GROUPS: CUCN (COMMANDO ULTRA CURVA NORD), BOYS,  ULTRAS.

ROMA
THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE FIRMS WHICH HAVE MADE THE HISTORY OF THE ULTRAS
MOVEMENT NOT JUST IN ITALY, BUT IN THE WHOLE EUROPE.
THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE FIRST WAVE OF THE ITALIAN ULTRA SCENE WHICH
TOOKPLACE  IN THE LATE 60'S AND THE BEGINNING OF THE 70'S, WITH MANY LITTLE GROUPS  OCCUPYING BOTH THE ENDS OF THE STADIO OLIMPICO.
IN 1977 ALL THE  GROUPS DECIDED TO UNI TE THEMSELVES BEHIND THE BIG BANNER OF COMMANDO  ULTRA CURVA SUD. AFTER A FEW YEARS, AT THE DAWN OF THE EIGHTIES THEY  WERE ONE OF THE BIGGEST GROUPS IN ITALY, WITH A SPECTACULAR  ORGANISATION, GREAT COREOGRAPHIES AND A MASSIVE PRESENCE ALL OVER ITALY  AND EUROPE.
THE GROUP HAD A BIG SPLIT IN 1987 AND KNEW A LONG PERIOD  OF DECADENCE FOR MOST OF THE NINETIES, WITH THE FRAGMENTATION OF THE  CURVA SUD IN TO MANY MANY SMALL GROUPS, WITH THE CUCS, WHICH WAS ONE OF  THESE GROUPS, WHO HAD THE BIG BANNER
IN THE MAIN TERRACE OF THE CURVA SUD.
THE  BANNER, THE ORGANISATION AND THE GREAT HISTORY OF CUCS WAS DRIVEN OUT  FROM THE CURVA IN THE FIRST HOME GAME OF 1999/2000 SEASON, AND A NEW  GROUP, "AS ROMA ULTRAS" HAS TAKEN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CURVA. TIME WILL  TELL...
POLITICALLY, IN THE SEVENTIES THE MAJORITY OF THE FIRM WAS  LEFT-WINGED, EVEN WITH FASCIST GROUPS LIKE THE BOYS AND THE FEDAYN BEING  ACTIVE AT THE TIME, BUT IN THE LAST 5 YEARS THE FIRM HAS STRONGLY  TURNED INTO RIGHT-HANDED.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENEMIES: MILAN, INTER, JUVE, NAPOLI, BOLOGNA, VERONA, FIORENTINA.
OTHER ROMA GROUPS: BOYS, FEDAYN, OPPOSTA FA ZIONE, GENS ROMANA.

SALENITANA
GOOD MOB FROM THE SOUTH OF ITALY. STRONG RIVALRY WITH NAPOLI, WHICH IS LESS
THAN 100 KM AWAY, AND OF FIORENTINA. LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUTH ITALY FIRMS, THEY ALSO ARE RIGHT-WINGED.

SAMPDORIA
ANOTHER FIRM WHO MADE THE HISTORY OF THE ITALIAN FANS' MOVEMENT WHAT IT  IS TODAY. THE UTS (ULTRA TITO SAMPDORIA, NAMED AFTER TITO CUCCHIARONI,  AN OLD DORIA'S PLAYER) WERE ESTABLISHED IN 1968. ALWAYS PRESENT IN HOME  AND AWAY GAMES IN GOOD NUMBERS, ARE NOW FOLLOWING THE TEAM IN THE 2nd  DIVISION IN THE SAME WAY THEY DID 10YRS AGO, WHEN THEY WERE INVOLVED IN  THE STRUGGLE FOR THE SCUDETTO.
BIG RIVALRIES WITH GENOA (THE OTHER TEAM OF THE CITY, UNFORGETTABLE WAS
THE CLASH SOME YEARS AGO, WITH SOME 500 LADS WERE INVOLVED IN A PRE-ARRANGED FIGHT), MILAN, ROMA, TORINO, PISA, BOLOGNA.
GOOD GOOD MOB ALSO FOR GREAT COREOGRAPHIES INVOLVING SOMETIMES THE WHOLE STADIUM.

SPEZIA
QUITE A GOOD MOB, CONSIDERING THEY PLAY IN THE MINOR LEAGUES.  RIGHT-WINGED, THEY ARE FRIENDS OF UTC SAMPDORIA, BOYS PARMA AND BOYS  VARESE. THEIR GREAT ENEMIES ARE THE PISA FANS (GREAT CLASHES ABOUT 5  YRS. AGO, WHEN THE MAYOR OF THE CITY GAVE THE END OF THE SPEZIA FANS TO  THE PISA FIRM, AS THEY TURNED UP IN THEIR THOUSANDS AND THE END OF  SPEZIA IS BIGGER THAN THE ONE FOR AWAY FANS. THE SPEZIA FANS TRIED TO  GET AT THEIR RIVALS, BUT THEY HAD TO FIGHT FOR A LONG TIME WITH THE  POLICE. ONCE IN THE STADIUM, THEY DECIDED THAT IF THEY WERE NOT IN THEIR  END, THE GAME COULD NOT BE PLAYED. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, THEY DID  NOT PLAY...
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TORINO
ANOTHER HISTORICAL FIRM OF  THE ITALIAN MOVEMENT. FOUNDED IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES, THEY BECAME  FAMOUS FOR FURIOUS CLASHES WITH ATALANTA FANS IN 1971.
MAJOR GROUPS  ARE THE ULTRAS GRANATA END THE RAGAZZI DELLA MARATONA (MARATONA'S BOYS,  THE MARATONA IS THE NAME OF THE TORO'S FIRM END) AND THE GRANATA KORPS.  WHILE THE LAST ONE IS STRONGLY RIGHT-WINGED, THE OTHER ONES ARE  LEFT-WINGED AND MORE MODERATE. RIVALRIES WITH JUVENTUS, ATALANTA,  PIACENZA (BECAUSE PIACENZA LADS ARE FRIENDS OF THE JUVE LADS),  SAMPDORIA.
FRIENDS OF GENOA, FIORENTINA, ONCE ALSO VERONA, THOUGH MAYBE NOT SO MUCH THESE DAYS.

TERNANA
THE FREAK BROTHERS ARE THE HISTORICAL GROUP OF THIS MOB, STANDING ON  THE EAST SIDE OF THE LIBERATI STADIUM. THEY WERE BORN IN THE  MID-SEVENTIES, WHEN TERNANA USED YO-YO BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND DIV.  THEY ARE STRONGLY LEFT-WINGED, AND FOR MOSTLY POLITICAL REASONS THEIR  BEST FRIENDS ARE THE OLD GUARD OF THE ATALANTA LADS.
OTHER STRONG FRIENDSHIP WITH THE UTC SAMPDORIA.
FIRST, UNIQUE AND STRONGEST RIVALRY IS NATURALLY THE ONE WITH THE PERUGIA FANS.
OTHER ONES, EVEN IF WEAKER, WITH SALERNITANA AND LIVORNO.

TRIESTINA
ULTRAS TRIESTE 1976 IS THE MAIN LOGO IN THE STEFANO FURLAN END.  (STEFANO FURLAN IS A LAD WHO DIED IN 1984 AFTER BEING BEATEN BY THE  POLICE). STRONGLY RIGHT-WINGED, THEIR FRIENDS ARE THE LADS OF VERONA,  WHILE THE WORST ENEMIS ARE THE UDINESE FANS.

UDINESE
THEY  ARE PART OF THE "SECOND GENERATION" OF ULTRAS IN ITALY. THEY WERE BORN  AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EIGHTIES, TOGETHER WITH THE GROWING OF THE TEAM  FROM THE MINOR CHAMPIONSHIPS TO THE MAJOR DIVISIONS. REALLY NOT SO GOOD,  POLITICALLY SIDED ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THEY DO NOT USUALLY DISPLAY ANY  POLITICAL SYMBOLS ON THE TERRACES, BUT SOME YEARS AGO THEY CREATE BIG  PROBLEMS TO THE TEAM, WHICH WANTED TO BUY THE JEWISH PLAYER ROSENTHAL,  WHO LATER PLAYED IN ENGLAND (LIVERPOOL). MAIN GROUPS: HOOLIGANS TEDDY  BOYS, BRIGATA ULTRA'. FRIENDS: ROMA. ENEMIES: TRIESTINA, VERONA.

VENEZIA
ULTRAS UNIONE IS THE MAIN GROUP OF THIS MOB, ESTABLISHED VERY RECENTLY  FOR ALSO THE TEAM HAS BEEN FOUNDED MAYBE 10 YRS. AGO, MELTING DOWN THE  VENEZIA FC (BLACK&GREEN) AND THE MESTRE (ORANGE&BLACK).  APOLITICAL IN THE FACADE, INFACT LEFT-WINGED. AMONG THEIR ENEMIES THERE  ARE THE CAGLIARI MOB AND THE VERONA FANS. DEFINITELY A SECONDARY MOB IN  THE SCENE.

VERONA
THIS IS A VERY PARTICULAR CASE IN THE  ITALIAN SCENE. ULTRAS IN VERONA ARE BORN IN THE EARLY 70'S, WITH THE  MAIN GROUP BRIGATE GIALLOBLU AND THE OTHERS, ULTRAS AND HELLAS ALCOOL.  THEY BECAME FAMOUS IN THE EIGHTIES FOR BEING VERY VIOLENT AND OPENLY  SIDED ON THE RIGHT-WING. AFTER BEING STRONGLY PROSECUTED FOR MANY YEARS,  AT THE END OF THE EIGHTIES THEY DECIDED TO ABORT EVERY KIND OF  ORGANISATION, AND TO BECOME A PROPER "ENGLISH STYLE" MOB. THIS HAS BEEN  MADE ON ONE SIDE FOR THEIR RESPECT FOR THE ENGLISH HOOLIGAN MOVEMENT,  AND MORE PRATICALLY FOR THE REASON THAT EVERY ULTRAS GROUP HAS A KIND OF  "DIRECTION COMMITEE", WHICH IS WELL KNOWN TO THE TEAM MANAGERS ANDTHE  POLICE OFFICERS. THESE PEOPLE WERE ALLWAYS INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE,  EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN TROUBLE, SO THEY DECIDEDTHAT  EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF. SINCE THAT MOMENT, THEY SIMPLY  BECAME THE "HELLAS FANS" (HELLAS VERONA IS THE NAME OF THE TEAM, FOR IT  WAS ESTABLISHED BY GREEKS AT THE BEGINNING OF XX CENTURY). GROUP WHICH  DESERVES RESPECT FOR A GOOD ULTRAS MENTALITY, WITH NO BLADES AND NO  AMBUSH. THEY ARE FRIENDS OF THE CHELSEA HEADHUNTERS SINCE THE SEVENTIES,  AND IN ITALY ARE LINKED WITH INTER, LAZIO, FIORENTINA, SAMPDORIA AND  LECCE FANS. AMONG THE ENEMIES: MILAN, JUVE, ROMA, ATALANTA, BRESCIA.

VICENZA
MAIN GROUP OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF MENTI STADIUM ARE THE VIGILANTES.  ACTIVE SINCE 1978, THEY ARE CERTAINLY A GOOD GROUP IN THE ITALIAN  MOVEMENT, ALTHOUGH THE TEAM GOES UP AND DOWN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND  DIVISION. UNDER POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW, MAYBE A LITTLE PREDOMINANCY OF  RIGHT-WINGED ELEMENTS, HOWEVER THEY DON'T DISPLAY ANY POLITICAL SYMBOLS  WHILE SUPPORTING THE TEAM. FRIENDS: GENOA, REGGIANA, METZ (FRANCE).  ENEMIES: VERONA, TRIESTINA.  


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

I'm not denying some ultras movements do contain what you said. However, you cannot define what is and what isn't "ultra".. Just because the UB aren't up the gallowgate with a machete doesn't mean they're not ultras. Ultra is a mentality, not a thing you can be physically just because you launch flares and sing.. And I'd guarantee any South American mob would say the same ;)

Obviously loads of things in this don't apply to Scotland, but this is Ultras-Tifo's definition of Ultras. http://www.ultras-ti...-is-ultras.html

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:48 PM

View PostSC1312, on 19 September 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

I'm not denying some ultras movements do contain what you said. However, you cannot define what is and what isn't "ultra".. Just because the UB aren't up the gallowgate with a machete doesn't mean they're not ultras. Ultra is a mentality, not a thing you can be physically just because you launch flares and sing.. And I'd guarantee any South American mob would say the same ;)

Obviously loads of things in this don't apply to Scotland, but this is Ultras-Tifo's definition of Ultras. http://www.ultras-ti...-is-ultras.html

This is the first paragraph in your own link.

An Ultras has no name, only good friends know him. An  Ultras has no face, most of the time a hood is covering his head, a  scarf covering his mouth. An Ultras doesn't dress like others and  doesn't follow trends and like the latest. When he walks the streets  even though he has no supporter logos he is recognizable. An Ultras  attacks if attacked, and helps when needed, they don't stop being ultras  as soon as they take their scarf off and return home, they battle 7  days a week.

So care to explain the above face palm?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:49 PM

As SC1312 said, its a mentality.

I genuinely cant believe you said "Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans."

That happens ONLY in South America.

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View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

This is the first paragraph in your own link.

An Ultras has no name, only good friends know him. An  Ultras has no face, most of the time a hood is covering his head, a  scarf covering his mouth. An Ultras doesn't dress like others and  doesn't follow trends and like the latest. When he walks the streets  even though he has no supporter logos he is recognizable. An Ultras  attacks if attacked, and helps when needed, they don't stop being ultras  as soon as they take their scarf off and return home, they battle 7  days a week.

So care to explain the above face palm?
You've said an ultra is someone who stabs and shoots people, thats actually usually a murderer.

The above says if theyre attacked, they attack. Which is the same with everyone in the world, naw?

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View PostStato, on 19 September 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

As SC1312 said, its a mentality.

I genuinely cant believe you said "Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans."

That happens ONLY in South America.

Most Ultras across Europe are involved in hooliganism, maybe not stabbing and shooting.


The only thing the Union Bears have in common with Ultras is tifo displays. That's it.

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View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Most Ultras across Europe are involved in hooliganism, maybe not stabbing and shooting.


The only thing the Union Bears have in common with Ultras is tifo displays. That's it.
Not most, but some are involved as there is no difference between their casuals and ultras in countrys like Italy.

To say they have nothing in common with ultras and arent when you clearly have no knowledge of it at all is silly.

I dont involve myself in conversations I don't understand. ;)

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:00 PM

Re the Italians

I've been to Juve, (twice) Parma (twice) Fiorentina and Livorno and I've never seen any of these people

I suspect they are a figment of their own imagination

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

View PostRedwhiteandblue, on 19 September 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Fair enough,

Ultras are basically thugs that go around stabbing and shooting, opposition fans.

It's more of a gang mentality where you are part of a 'family'.

European ones are most likely Neo Nazi, whereas South American are just plain psychopaths.

The union bears, at best, would fall into the ''Tifo Ultra'' category. Which is basically just turning up at games and supporting the team with colour and noise, which the UB are very good at.

They aren't typical Ultras.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

Whilst you lads are arguing about the definition of an 'ultra', I think the section has given Rangers fans a voice. They are vehement in their support for the club which has gotten them recognition by Charles Green and McCoist. There's a real feel of togetherness now at Ibrox, and a lot of that comes from the Union Bears. The Sun is trying to sell newspapers and by that they're spouting a load of shit.