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I'm not getting my knickers in a twist, I'm trying to work out your ridiculous twisted logic. You said earlier that you believe Webo unconditionally that he was racially abused, then when the claims about Webo come out you say "if" and "may have" He never said negro, he said negru - it's an important distinction when all it is is the word in Romanian (his own country) that means black. Which is not racist. I'm not stopping you enjoying your dinner. Bon appetite. Just stop talking utter pish regards this.

"if" yet you said you believed Webo unconditionally earlier. Your words were something along the lines of "you believe him over anything you've got to say" - you've obviously meaning me. Despite the evidence for both slurs not really standing up to anything so far. Strange.

Absolute insanity that there's a racism investigation on the Romanian official's off the back of that - if what Barnes says there is true. Problem is, since it's high-profile - if UEFA throw it out with no case to answer or unproven you can just see the meltdowns from here. Barnes is being intelligent here because real, legitimate, genuine racism needs to be fought - not misunderstandings and hyperbole. It's the same argument with the SNP and their football hate bill - when you target everything with a scatter gun trying to cure/solve the problem you do a few things you make victims of innocent people, heighten the chances of missing out on genuine issues and also drive it underground/toughen the attitudes that you're trying to eradicate. He also stuck up for Liam Neeson too when Hollywood elite/liberals turned against him for similar reasons - namely the fact that Neeson was honest about it, took responsibility, admitted he felt ashamed and that's the best lesson someone can learn on a personal level. Maybe he just knows that stupid shit like this does the good fight against genuine racism no favours. If so he should be applauded.

Fair play to him but I've wondered about his state of mind for a while now tbh he probably enjoys this wee game. Tomorrow he'll be back to hating white folk again.

I'd rather not. The mood I'm in today will probably send me over the edge

I don't think it's been said anywhere else (that I've seen). When Sinsa Mihjlavoic (spelling) was at Lazio or Inter Milan and called Patrick Vieria a monkey he admitted to it but only because Vieria called him a gypsy first too. It won't matter in some folks eyes. Black folk are incapable of being racist - according to them. What it does do here though is puts a different slant on things. Something doesn't add up because the officials by saying this have, trying to defend themselves, basically inadvertently undermined their whole defence in the first instance and gave themselves motive to say something back to Webo. Either they are both as bad as each other or this Webo is a real piece of shit (racially abuses them first calling them gypsy's then plays victim card to even things up minute he hears black man). I honestly don't care if they hammer the both of them (if this is true) but it has to be both or nothing. I'm sick of racism coming from other directions and others constantly getting away with it (compared to white folk) - the hypocrisy and double standards annoys me as much as the genuine racism

Or you could consider that Webo thought he heard that, but the 4th official said Nuguru (whatever the spelling is) which is a word in his own Romanian language that sounds like negro and that's it's crossed wires instead of racism? That too logical for you or you want to just carry on being one of these oddballs that just sees racism everywhere regardless of the context?

Wit he's not said negro either. Are you just inventing stuff for a laugh?

I've literally never argued/said any of that. It's nothing like walking down the street, seeing a black guy and calling him negro The 4th official, in Romanian, used a word like Nurugu (or something close to that) which is literally translated black man in Romanian, but when spoken sounds like negro granted. He's not walked up to anyone and called them negro. That's the whole point.

I'd rather comment in every thread regarding this shite and try add something compared to you, who adds fuck-all across the whole forum apart from stupid comments or trolling. You're honesty a wee nyaff at times. You are trying to argue over the wrong thing too. I don't know if it's bad practice or not for a 4th official to not know everyone by name splattered across the dug outs. Maybe he should know and he's not done his homework, I'll happily go with that - my issue is simple, that irrespective of that, calling a black man black is not racist and doesn't merit teams walking off the pitch like an act of barbaric racism has occurred. If you think that's racist you're an utter spazzy.

No, the only thing you THINK you know is that it's professional to know their names. You have no idea how hard it might be, in the heat of the moment to know the names of everyone dotted about the dug out. He's a 4th official not the ref. It's not like it's a domestic competition where you see these guys and engage with them every week. As I just said, I can accept it if anyone thinks it's unprofessional but it's in no way racist to call a black man, a black man. If you disagree with that sentence then you're another that's lost the plot.

I don't know and neither do you. I don't know if I expect a 4th official who's only helping out to know the names of all the coaching staff on either side or bodies dotted about the dug out. Can agree it's maybe a bit unprofessional if he doesn't but that's where it starts and stops. Racism for calling a black man black is the issue.

But we're talking about the 4th official pointing out to the ref who he was and he didn't know his name.

That's exactly it. I think my first post on this was making the same point that if the whole world wasn't swept away in this hysteria and literally seeing racism everywhere and the momentums/bandwagons around it, then there could have been a calm conversation where the Romanian 4th official could have simply apologised if there was offence taken, but reassured that it's just another language and been picked up wrong - in other times (better times) both parties could have had a chuckle, shook hands and that was that. No chance of that in this current environment though. Depressing. The way things are, all this does is enhances racial tensions and makes things worse.

I was actually gonna make the point earlier that in other instances it could be quite complex because the word Negro is used loads in Spanish because it just translates to black. I've been in bars in Spain called Negro something or other, there's Spanish music record labels with Negro in it ... even Spanish football players called Negro ... all in-offensive, but if a non-Spaniard or Portugese called a black person negro then yeah, it's easy to assume he's trying to be offensive because it's not his native language and he has no need to use it in that context.