Are 'we the people' though? I agree the fans remain the most important part of the club in a financial sense. CL and player income is also vital but our season ticket revenue has been one certainty over the last 10 years since the SPL became a fiscal back-water. The reluctance of the club to explore ways of making our relationship more formal than emotional is a huge mistake in my opinion. Unfortunately, we've not helped out own credibility in that regard so are just as much to blame arguably. There is not much sign of change either. The fanbase can be part of the solution here but we need someone to buy into what we offer and also examine the way we take part ourselves. What will it take to get us off this roller-coaster ride? 1. The existing board - most have contributed to where the club is as it stands so anyone expecting them to get us out of our ongoing problems could be waiting a long time. 2. The Ellis bid - we'll know very soon according to what his spokesman said in the ET today. His preference for privacy is interesting (and actually refreshing) but also disconcerting and unhelpful. His bluff has now been called though very publicly. Again, we could be waiting a long time. All in all, no-one knows how deep the troughs may be but there appear to be more of them ahead than peaks. That alone should be precipitating change but personality clashes seem more agreeable to some than constructive action. Annoyed doesn't begin to describe the way I'm feeling... You are probably right Frankie, in many ways 'we are NOT the people', I was just trying to lift my spirits after being very annoyed this morning. I was listening to the radio yesterday and a member of the Dun Utd 'trust' who is on the club board was speaking about the club appointing P.H. soon as full time mamager, and I thought how can they have someone representing the fans at board level and we cannot. From my point of view we should have a member of the assembly on our board, someone who most fans could trust whoever that might be.