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  1. Who would have thought, that many would go to Manchester. It was a truly amazing show of support for the Rangers. The population of Manchester, grew by over 40% that day. I still recall the sea of red, white and blue and think, wow.
  2. Nothing sad about Minstrals posts. He has his beliefs, and people try to twist the whole thing to suit their piss weak arguments. There has always been a Protestant tradition in the Rangers support. Fact. It is something which the Tims slag us off for, and it seems some, a very small number, on RM. I have never heard these negative views from Rangers followers I know. Before anyone starts asking for percentages, I only know a tiny percentage of Rangers fans.
  3. Yes, I go to Church as often as I can and I am the deputy master of my Orange Lodge. Of course I believe in God.
  4. When an opinion is so against the institution, it is irrelevant.
  5. This thread is about associating Rangers with the Orange Order; which is an irrelevant organisation. You can be a Unionist and a Protestant without having anything to do with the Orange Order, as David Murray is in fact. The OO is mentioned in the OP, but I do not think that the thread is solely about the OO. It has more to do with the clubs association with the protestant/unionist community. If it isn't what the thread is about then the OP should have made that clear then. He states that to make the world know we are a Protestant club we should have an Orange Parade despite their obvious irrelevance to the majority of Protestants. The Orange parade i was on about was the Annual Sunday Parade which went to our ground for many years. And by the way it was hymns that were played and sang, also i see no problem with a flute band, as not all the band are members of the OO. but i stick to my point that we are a Proud Protestant club and nothing to be ashamed of. Hear hear.
  6. Church attendance is at an all time low. 30-40 years ago, the churches were full. Now, you are a freak if you discuss matters of a spiritual nature. I think its a shame really.
  7. This thread is about associating Rangers with the Orange Order; which is an irrelevant organisation. You can be a Unionist and a Protestant without having anything to do with the Orange Order, as David Murray is in fact. The OO is mentioned in the OP, but I do not think that the thread is solely about the OO. It has more to do with the clubs association with the protestant/unionist community. If it isn't what the thread is about then the OP should have made that clear then. He states that to make the world know we are a Protestant club we should have an Orange Parade despite their obvious irrelevance to the majority of Protestants. Irrelevance in your opinion.
  8. At the end of the day we are known as a Protestant club no matter what spin that you put on it. Yes, yes you keep saying that, well done. Now perhaps you'll explain what being a Protestant and the Orange Order have in common in 2009 please? There are about 800 Million Protestants, who many are in the Orange Order again? No one I've seen has denied our being seen as a 'Protestant club' no matter how accurate that might be, all the spin is coming form you and your fellow Luddites. Plenty have denied that we are a Protestant club, and of course the OO and rangers links are not as strong since our owner who could not tell you our history never mind our traditions. You know why, because he is to friendly with the tims and wants to be seen to have nothing to do with our Protestant traditions, and would rather allow a Celtic strip with Lennon on the back displayed on the wall at our club. Hey Minstral you must be getting dizzy with all that spinning you're doing, that's two posts in row you've actually simply avoided answering the question. I'll try again, HOW MANY WORLD/SCOTTISH/GLASWEGIAN PROTESTANTS ARE IN THE ORANGE ORDER? C'mon Minstral your the Tony Blair of the Luddite Brigade, you must know the answer. How can i give you the answer when i dont know, but one thing i do know is Rangers are a Protestant club and if you dont like it to bad. How is someone supposed to answer a question like that. So what if there are 600 million Protestants, and how many are in the Orange Order. Here is a question. How many of the p.c. brigade at Ibrox, complain over the singing of Loyalist songs at Rangers games? When did you last hear Loyalist songs being booed at Ibrox? The only people who complain, are anti Rangers elements outside the club. The only people who try to belittle the Orange Order, are papists. The only time in my life, I have read some anti Protestant garbage on a Rangers forum, is in this thread. I did not even know there was a p.c. brigade at Ibrox, never mind such negative views. The Timmy lurkers must be lapping this up. It is food and drink to them, to read Rangers supporters, slagging off others beliefs, and trying to minimize them. At the Glasgow Big Walk, there will be 15-20,000 walking alone. Add to this the supporters, the numbers are increased dramatically. So, there will be more going to Braehead that day? Like the rest of the negative stuff, nonsense. Incidently, I am not anti Catholic. My mates include Catholics, and they are sound. I like the Protestant tradition, and Rangers are my Scottish team.
  9. Most Lodge people I know, and I know quite a few, look to Rangers as their team. I have never heard the FANS Protestant traditions questioned. It is indeed an unusual viewpoint. Even some of the flute bands have Rangers name connections. Dennistoun Rangers, Rathcoole KAI, The KAI being the name of Kai Johansen, god rest his soul.
  10. What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team. I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs. What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet! The p.c. brigade I was referring to, are those outside the club, who will take every opportunity to have a pop at Rangers, for anything. The Protestant tradition I refer to is amongst the fans. Maybe you think it is piss, but I only go by what I see and hear. My father was brought up in staunchly Protestant part of Liverpool, Netherfield Road. He thought the Orange thing was a total waste of time. That was his beliefs and I respected them. The day the majority of the Rangers crowd, start booing Derrys Walls, because it is 'totally wrong' to sing that type of song, then you have won your argument. I have not got a clue who you are, but i do not need one bit of your sympathy. If the vast majority of Rangers fans do not hold the same beliefs as me, then who are the thousands belting out the songs? Are they a minority? UEFA have come down Rangers for the Billy Boys. Why then did they not come down on Barcelona, for the I.R.A. flags, and 'Our day will come' banner, a very big banner, which I could read from the opposite end of the ground? Why were they not punished for their fans trying to provoke the Rangers fans on the top deck, right through the game.? Its all part of the same P.C. shit. My beef, is with those who punish Rangers, but ignore the behaviour of other clubs supporters. You are entitled to your views, and I will stick with mine. Fuck another of the 'Its always us that gets picked on Paranoia Brigade' - everyone else does bad stuff so I want to do it to - Boo Whoo! Where we distinguish ourselves from others is we don't stoop to the lowest common denominator, we realise that integrity and respect are something that must be fought for and maintained! Your sole argument seems to be lets stoop to 'their' level cause everyone else is against us. Paranoia is a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution. In England we have fans singing the most disgusting songs about Munich 58, Hillsborough, Gas chambers, homosexuals, etc etc. No one bats an eyelid. When I went to semi v Chelsea 2006, banners we hanging from bridges, 'Not enough died 96'. The stuff which goes on in football grounds gets ignored, everywhere, except when it comes to Rangers. Why was the Billy Boys banned? Who in UEFA, can even speak the language it is sung in? Who knows what Billy Boys are in UEFA? They soon ban it though. There is nothing paranoid about the treatment of Rangers fans. Its as real as the nose on your face. There is no delusion there. Had the Rangers fans got stuck into the Barcelona wind up merchants, that would have been it. European ban, fine, more negative publicity. They did not though. They kept cool, and just chanted Espanyol as a counter wind up. I did notice though, that none of these Barca fans were outside the ground after the game. Paul Daniels was not in it, with their disappearing act. Nah its absolute bollocks, to suggest Rangers fans get same treatment as all other fand. It does not happen. - please re-read your own post and you will see why I suggest you are paranoid (or delusional if you prefer). Even you say these clubs have been hit by fines! I dont know where I said other clubs have been hit by fines. Where is this pray tell, oh great psycho analyst? Which clubs have had there songs banned, apart from Rangers? I would love to know. Anyway fuck this, I have to get back to work. yours sincerely, the great un-paranoid Longjohn.
  11. What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team. I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs. What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet! The p.c. brigade I was referring to, are those outside the club, who will take every opportunity to have a pop at Rangers, for anything. The Protestant tradition I refer to is amongst the fans. Maybe you think it is piss, but I only go by what I see and hear. My father was brought up in staunchly Protestant part of Liverpool, Netherfield Road. He thought the Orange thing was a total waste of time. That was his beliefs and I respected them. The day the majority of the Rangers crowd, start booing Derrys Walls, because it is 'totally wrong' to sing that type of song, then you have won your argument. I have not got a clue who you are, but i do not need one bit of your sympathy. If the vast majority of Rangers fans do not hold the same beliefs as me, then who are the thousands belting out the songs? Are they a minority? UEFA have come down Rangers for the Billy Boys. Why then did they not come down on Barcelona, for the I.R.A. flags, and 'Our day will come' banner, a very big banner, which I could read from the opposite end of the ground? Why were they not punished for their fans trying to provoke the Rangers fans on the top deck, right through the game.? Its all part of the same P.C. shit. My beef, is with those who punish Rangers, but ignore the behaviour of other clubs supporters. You are entitled to your views, and I will stick with mine. Fuck another of the 'Its always us that gets picked on Paranoia Brigade' - everyone else does bad stuff so I want to do it to - Boo Whoo! Where we distinguish ourselves from others is we don't stoop to the lowest common denominator, we realise that integrity and respect are something that must be fought for and maintained! Your sole argument seems to be lets stoop to 'their' level cause everyone else is against us. Paranoia is a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution. In England we have fans singing the most disgusting songs about Munich 58, Hillsborough, Gas chambers, homosexuals, etc etc. No one bats an eyelid. When I went to semi v Chelsea 2006, banners we hanging from bridges, 'Not enough died 96'. The stuff which goes on in football grounds gets ignored, everywhere, except when it comes to Rangers. Why was the Billy Boys banned? Who in UEFA, can even speak the language it is sung in? Who knows what Billy Boys are in UEFA? They soon ban it though. There is nothing paranoid about the treatment of Rangers fans. Its as real as the nose on your face. There is no delusion there. Had the Rangers fans got stuck into the Barcelona wind up merchants, that would have been it. European ban, fine, more negative publicity. They did not though. They kept cool, and just chanted Espanyol as a counter wind up. I did notice though, that none of these Barca fans were outside the ground after the game. Paul Daniels was not in it, with their disappearing act. Nah its absolute bollocks, to suggest Rangers fans get same treatment as all other fand. It does not happen.
  12. What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team. I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs. What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet! The p.c. brigade I was referring to, are those outside the club, who will take every opportunity to have a pop at Rangers, for anything. The Protestant tradition I refer to is amongst the fans. Maybe you think it is piss, but I only go by what I see and hear. My father was brought up in staunchly Protestant part of Liverpool, Netherfield Road. He thought the Orange thing was a total waste of time. That was his beliefs and I respected them. The day the majority of the Rangers crowd, start booing Derrys Walls, because it is 'totally wrong' to sing that type of song, then you have won your argument. I have not got a clue who you are, but i do not need one bit of your sympathy. If the vast majority of Rangers fans do not hold the same beliefs as me, then who are the thousands belting out the songs? Are they a minority? UEFA have come down Rangers for the Billy Boys. Why then did they not come down on Barcelona, for the I.R.A. flags, and 'Our day will come' banner, a very big banner, which I could read from the opposite end of the ground? Why were they not punished for their fans trying to provoke the Rangers fans on the top deck, right through the game.? Its all part of the same P.C. shit. My beef, is with those who punish Rangers, but ignore the behaviour of other clubs supporters. You are entitled to your views, and I will stick with mine.
  13. I think most Rangers fans are Protestants. The media and the Football Authorities, seem to be strict on Rangers, but anybody else can sing what they want. If the fans capitulate to the wishes of those who hate Rangers, what is the point of supporting them at all. It is all or nothing really. Nobody has to sing anything, but people should be allowed the freedom to sing the songs which represent their traditions. That freedom is being chipped away at all the time. I think it is most unacceptable to see the grief Rangers get, while the Tims do what they want. Some say certain songs have nothing to do with Football. They have a lot to do with the tradition of the fans though.
  14. No, lead them out with a 100 man Flute Band, playing 'Here lies a Soldier'.
  15. The p.c. brigade, seem to have no beliefs of their own, but seem prepared to crush and criticise everyone elses. The Protestant Reformation, to me, was a monumental turning point in history. The spiritual lights were switched on, and the power of a corrupt papacy was challenged. It took brave men indeed to stand up to the false teachings of Rome, but they did. The bible was translated from Latin, so everybody could read it. The Pope or a priest, was not the divine channel to God, it was open to anybody. Indulgences were a big concern; that people could buy a place in heaven, by paying the church to remove all sins. In this day and age, the Reformation has been largely forgotten. It is all taken for granted that we do not live under the rule of a church which will keep us in ignorance, and poverty, as seen in most R.C. countries of the world. Rangers supporters should have no hesitation in standing up as Protestants, if they wish. It is a gift passed down through hundreds of years, from men, some who sacrificed with their lives. Politically correct people, believe in nothing. They create nothing. Their role in life, is like some form of Hitler youth, to grass and inform on others beliefs.
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