bjorkland

Your comments here, actually back up my whole point in 'The Third Defence' section of my initial post. You've just said yourself, that term 'fenian' is used to refer to Celtic. It is also used to refer to Catholics in the same way. And yes, it also is a historical term for Irish Republicans. So how can Rangers fans, use the defence of 'fenian' means Irish Republican, when we as fans use it in a completely different manner! And yes, I mean Nakamura. Or Du Wei. Or any other players from any other country which clearly has no association with Irish Republicanism. When Rangers fans commonly and persistantly refer to these people as 'fenians', then it completely devalues the defence that fenian means Irish Republican to such an extent it is embarressing to use it. Another problem, which goes hand in hand, with the above, is the common association, not only made by Rangers fans I should add, that Celtic = Catholic. Historically, one could not be a Celtic fan, without having Catholic beliefs or background. And obviously there is a lot of truth in that, as we all know. But, quite understandably I must say, there has been an equating of the two.

Outlaw, apologies for the delay in replying. I know the world has moved on since this thread started, but it's good manners to reply I think! That's not my argument at all, and I think you know it!

Outlaw, I don't have time to reply, but I'll get back to you

So...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure a large section of the support you went to games with were also white males? Does that then make Rangers a caucasian club? Or a male club?

McBoyd, that post was sublime. Have some rep.

I've picked this post to reply to purely at random, as there was a few all about the same point. Maybe it wasn't a point levelled at me, but I don't think the OP is preaching beyond a level that is acceptable. At the end of the article, I even concede that if some want to sing songs in the privacy of their own home, fine. But as McBoyd has gone onto say, when it becomes an issue which affects ALL the fans, regardless of whether they choose to sing or not, then as Rangers supporters we have got every right to preach to others to stop singing songs that will and are harming the club, and others ability to enjoy supporting the club.

Valid point. Absolutely, we live in Britain, the land of tradition and institution, much of which has absolutely no relevance to 21st century life. However, tradition should never be blindly carried on for traditions sake. IMO as free thinking and rational society, we should question tradition, both it's value and it's roots.

I did reply with exactly the same sentiments, but haven't seen a response to that as yet.

Also just like to say a huge thanks to Admin for posting the article on the homepage. It's clear from this thread, that the views expressed are not popular with everyone, but it's also clear there is a great deal of members and Rangers fans who do share them. Debate is healthy, and can only lead us forward as a support.

Right I think I've replied to everyone. If I've missed anything, let me know. I'm off RM for the night now.

Fair enough, I agree. Edited the original reply accordingly. I'll dilute my point, by saying that singing about killing your opposition in a sporting event, is unneccesary. See my earlier response to Outlaw about the difference between rivalry and hatred.

There's no irony in the fact that I don't think there is a persicution of Rangers, and that I do think there is too much CCTV in the UK.

And of course you know how much I contribute to the club don't you? Not that it is particularly relevant...

It does indeed. It still doesn't make it ok for us to do the same.