Thanx Polo, but I an none the wiser, is this 4 million nothing to do with us, who owes it surely not us, Mr Whyte has said we are debt free so we must be, it is clear what he says. I really thought we were going to be free of lloyds, seems not if we still owe money, which I don't believe we do, Mr Whyte would not say something like he did if he wasn't sure of his facts.