Blue Atheist

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

So the fastest growing economy in the Western world "can't get any worse than it is now"???
So when a currency union is denied and Scotland starts using the pound with no central bank and no lender of last resort, forcing many businesses, especially UK-wide businesses to leave the country, ensuring the economy declines, investment declines, jobs decline and inevitably the Scottish budget declines... how daft will your "well it can't get any worse" comment seem then?
If Scotland votes Yes it will already have a £6bn+ hole in its budget so things will get worse before they improve, if ever. Salmond intends to lower corporation tax also. How will all that be paid for? Public spending would have to be reduced or YOUR taxes would have to be increased.
What would an independent Scotland have done during the banking crisis in 2008? Who would have provided the bailout funds? What would the interest rate have been? Would they have even been bailed out at all?
Who would have saved the Grangemouth oil plant in 2013 had the UK not provided £150m at short notice?
The great thing about being part of a wider union is that if one bit fails, it has many other parts to back it up until the failing bit gets back on its feet. It's like an insurance policy. An independent Scotland wouldn't have that.
Of course the United Kingdom is better together.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

So the fastest growing economy in the Western world "can't get any worse than it is now"???
So when a currency union is denied and Scotland starts using the pound with no central bank and no lender of last resort, forcing many businesses, especially UK-wide businesses to leave the country, ensuring the economy declines, investment declines, jobs decline and inevitably the Scottish budget declines... how daft will your "well it can't get any worse" comment seem then?
If Scotland votes Yes it will already have a £6bn+ hole in its budget so things will get worse before they improve, if ever. Salmond intends to lower corporation tax also. How will all that be paid for? Public spending would have to be reduced or YOUR taxes would have to be increased.
What would an independent Scotland have done during the banking crisis in 2008? Who would have provided the bailout funds? What would the interest rate have been? Would they have even been bailed out at all?
Who would have saved the Grangemouth oil plant in 2013 had the UK not provided £150m at short notice?
The great thing about being part of a wider union is that if one bit fails, it has many other parts to back it up until the failing bit gets back on its feet. It's like an insurance policy. An independent Scotland wouldn't have that.
Of course the United Kingdom is better together.

So the fastest growing economy in the Western world "can't get any worse than it is now"???
So when a currency union is denied and Scotland starts using the pound with no central bank and no lender of last resort, forcing many businesses, especially UK-wide businesses to leave the country, ensuring the economy declines, investment declines, jobs decline and inevitably the Scottish budget declines... how daft will your "well it can't get any worse" comment seem then?
If Scotland votes Yes it will already have a £6bn+ hole in its budget so things will get worse before they improve, if ever. Salmond intends to lower corporation tax also. How will all that be paid for? Public spending would have to be reduced or YOUR taxes would have to be increased.
What would an independent Scotland have done during the banking crisis in 2008? Who would have provided the bailout funds? What would the interest rate have been? Would they have even been bailed out at all?
Who would have saved the Grangemouth oil plant in 2013 had the UK not provided £150m at short notice?
The great thing about being part of a wider union is that if one bit fails, it has many other parts to back it up until the failing bit gets back on its feet. It's like an insurance policy. An independent Scotland wouldn't have that.
Of course the United Kingdom is better together.

So the fastest growing economy in the Western world "can't get any worse than it is now"???
So when a currency union is denied and Scotland starts using the pound with no central bank and no lender of last resort, forcing many businesses, especially UK-wide businesses to leave the country, ensuring the economy declines, investment declines, jobs decline and inevitably the Scottish budget declines... how daft will your "well it can't get any worse" comment seem then?
If Scotland votes Yes it will already have a £6bn+ hole in its budget so things will get worse before they improve, if ever. Salmond intends to lower corporation tax also. How will all that be paid for? Public spending would have to be reduced or YOUR taxes would have to be increased.
What would an independent Scotland have done during the banking crisis in 2008? Who would have provided the bailout funds? What would the interest rate have been? Would they have even been bailed out at all?
Who would have saved the Grangemouth oil plant in 2013 had the UK not provided £150m at short notice?
The great thing about being part of a wider union is that if one bit fails, it has many other parts to back it up until the failing bit gets back on its feet. It's like an insurance policy. An independent Scotland wouldn't have that.
Of course the United Kingdom is better together.

So the fastest growing economy in the Western world "can't get any worse than it is now"???
So when a currency union is denied and Scotland starts using the pound with no central bank and no lender of last resort, forcing many businesses, especially UK-wide businesses to leave the country, ensuring the economy declines, investment declines, jobs decline and inevitably the Scottish budget declines... how daft will your "well it can't get any worse" comment seem then?
If Scotland votes Yes it will already have a £6bn+ hole in its budget so things will get worse before they improve, if ever. Salmond intends to lower corporation tax also. How will all that be paid for? Public spending would have to be reduced or YOUR taxes would have to be increased.
What would an independent Scotland have done during the banking crisis in 2008? Who would have provided the bailout funds? What would the interest rate have been? Would they have even been bailed out at all?
Who would have saved the Grangemouth oil plant in 2013 had the UK not provided £150m at short notice?
The great thing about being part of a wider union is that if one bit fails, it has many other parts to back it up until the failing bit gets back on its feet. It's like an insurance policy. An independent Scotland wouldn't have that.
Of course the United Kingdom is better together.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Rangers fans supporting the break up of the United Kingdom?
I just don't get it. And I say that as a former Catholic who chose to support Rangers so I totally get the club has a diverse group of fans.
Anyhoo, I have voted No.
And if you're a No supporter you should make sure you vote too. Don't just hope No wins. Every vote counts.
I HAD to vote. I owed it to my country.

Your Friday nights sound mental mate...

Again the Playstation 3 outsells the Xbox One globally...

This always cracks me up, can't help but laugh everytime i watch this

deserves it's own thread rather than sharing one with the Xbone.
Few announcements today regarding the PS4's launch capabilities.
 

But, but, but forza is dead good soitis.

Ps4 shits all over this

Why are people bickering? They both do the same thing. Personally for me it's playstation, for no other reason than it always has been that way since ps1. I had a 360 and a ps3 thought that the 360 was probably the better of the two last gen.

Indeed such a fanboy.. so much so I don't plan on buying a PS4 any time soon. My money will be going on a new GPU for my PC as the next gen has yet to wow me...
If you are laying them out, you're asking me to go through them... Otherwise what would be the point?
I've accepted several features that are justifiably better... which is party chat, cross game chat and to a lesser extent external messaging. I also said that from the start, Sony made a huge oversight with PSN, but since 2009 they have made huge strides to improve the service despite hardware limitations.. If someone told me in 2009 that PSN would eventually be comparable to Xbox live I would have laughed at them. The majority of the features you listed, the PS didn't do in 2009, but it does now!
Remember this all started because someone said Xbox live was miles ahead.. I disagree. So don't get me wrong, I'm not saying PSN is better.. they both have their pro's and cons which we have the both covered extensively. I just feel the gap isn't as big as some would have us believe...
Going into next gen the gap will be even smaller as sony won't make the same mistake again.. hence why they confirmed the likes of party and cross game chat long before release.
Likewise i'm done.. we're now at a point where we are going to go round in circles.

I would have agreed with you if this was 2008.. However since then Sony have taken PSN far more seriously. Even down to apps, features and the like, there's been quite a few that PSN had long before Xbox live i.e. iplayer, youtube etc. Whilst this has potentially changed since i last owned an Xbox(2012) - the quality of apps like Netflix were of a higher quality on the PS3. Not to mention available to everyone as they weren't hidden behind a paywall.
Quality of online gaming is no different.. It's just something 360 fans dream up to justify the gold requirement, psychological if you will. I've owned both, I've played COD and FIFA online on both and there's next to no difference whatsoever. Just comes down to server location or the person I was playing against.. Because very few games utilized dedicated servers player location is obviously important, which is potentially a downside for UK based PS3 users. The 360 is incredibly popular in the UK, so there's always a high chance of being paired with another UK based player. The PS3 on the otherhand is traditionally more popular in mainland Europe, thus you're more likely of being paired with someone outside of the UK than you would on the 360. If you have shit internet this could give the Xbox a slight advantage.
So really, what exactly are these superior services?
The only thing i can give Xbox Live a clear advantage with is cross game chat and more players with headsets.. Which yes, makes it a ton easier to communicate with friends. Does this make it years ahead or worthy of the £30 Microsoft ask? I wouldn't say so..
Yes PSN's infrastructure is showing its age with the whole GTA debacle... and yes Sony clearly underestimated how popular online would become. Nontheless given how much they've achieved with said infrastructure is remarkable.. they've went from light years behind to pretty much matching Xbox Live, and some cases bettering. Sure you can attribute some of this success down to MS's failing, over the last few years they've been all about kinect... Either way Sony now have an understanding of what the community wants and needs, they aren't going to make the same mistake with the PS4.
Sure there's all this talk of Azure on the next gen.. but it's all hype at the moment. It sounds good but will devs take advantage of the servers.. it may be cheaper than hosting their own dedicated servers but they may opt to go with their own infrastructures. Then all the possibilities of taking pressure of the hardware by using the cloud to support and power games.. that worked out extremely well for OnLive didn't it? Unless you live in a big city with fast internet and copious amounts of bandwidth.. you're not going to benefit from that! Not to mention like the PS3's cell processor.. it's something 3rd party devs could struggle to get the most out of.

I use a console to play games on, the better of the machines for that purpose is the PS4... no brainer for gamers IMO.

Cheers guys, never knew any of those. I'm sure there's plenty more Scottish stuff in the latest game that we'll find eventually. Hopefully some more Rangers stuff in there especially.
Madness that it made $1bn in 3 days. I dont think a Scottish company has ever done that.
And to think Rockstar/DMA made their name with a game that SAVED lives, lol. (Lemmings).

St Andrews flag at a big hotel on the beach