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He's young and will continue to improve. I would loan him out again next season but long term he could be pushing for a first team position. On a long term contract I believe so that's promising.

I agree, he shouldn't be left in charge for the remaining games. I'm not sure the board are prepared to pull the trigger though. If they were going to they would have done it by now surely. I worry that they'll be happy to let things rumble on as they are until the end of the season.

You can blame the board for hiring an unknown manager with zero qualifying attributes and no track record to suggest he would succeed, allowing him to spend reasonably large amounts of money on largely poor players, then sacking him when things inevitably fall apart, and leaving the under 20s coach in charge for most of the season following a failed attempt to poach the manager of Aberdeen with no backup plan.

I can see Murty packing it in after a couple more doings. The whole situation is just ridiculous now.

I've been more impressed with him in CDM than centre half. That said, given the other options at centre back, I'll have him in there ahead of the likes of Martin and Cardoso.

Making the early substitution was one of the few things Murty did right today, but it looked like desperation more than a really convincing attempt to change the game. Throw Windass on and hope for the best. He still picked Halliday to start, which was a big mistake. And Cummings or Miller should have been brought on at some point, couldn't believe it when Holt was brought on. Alves should have started ahead of Martin as well. Can't blame the players if they're having a go at Murty as he's continuing to make some bizarre decisions, although they should take a look at themselves after today before mouthing off about being subbed as the performance was shocking across the board.

I'm not sure even Walter would be able to turn this lot around. Why would he take the job again and risk tarnishing his legacy?

Not going to disagree with that.

I'd have Cardoso in ahead of him. How Murty can start him ahead of Alves is beyond me. He's made mistakes leading to goals at least every other game. Absolute bombscare.

Usually lurk on here more than post, but I'm raging after watching that and need to rant somewhere. Performance was abysmal today, and made me realise once again that we have too many players that blow hot and cold based on confidence. Too many players that are incapable of getting on the park and just getting stuck in because they were scared today. Too many players that believe their own hype when we're winning games against lower division opposition only for the heads to drop and everything to fall apart when we're met with an actual challenge. You can say what you want about whether the ability is there or not, I would argue that ability wise about half the team are good enough, and half clearly are not. However it was not just a lack of ability today. I would never accept a defeat to them, but I would understand if we went out and gave it everything and ended up beaten, but that was not just a gap in ability today. That was missing heart, effort, and belief. It looked like the players knew they were beaten before walking on the park. The confidence performers are part of modern football, but we need more steady, reliable heads that will get us through bad patches. Right now when one head drops, everyone's head drops, and the team falls apart. Murty is clearly not helping this situation, as the way he comes across in interviews suggests he is just as prone to this as the players.

I'm not one to moan about refereeing decisions, but this ref has lost the plot. Hasn't been able to control the game at all, and how Jack can get a red when Stokes is still on the park is beyond me. We can still pull this back, but I feel like the ref will be delighted to send off more of our lads.

Performance has been fantastic tonight. I almost can't remember the last time I saw us in control of a game like this. Players look up for it, we're winning loose balls. Hopefully a sign that things are starting to come together.

Murty's been impressive as an interim manager who's been thrown in at the deep end (going on usual 'interim manager expectations' here, which are admittedly not high given past experience). Still, I'd prefer to get a new manager in sooner rather than later, get them familiar with the squad over the last few weeks of the season and work on getting it sorted over the summer for next season. Keeping Murty on until the summer is just delaying the whole process of repair.

Out of the guys mentioned I think McInness could do a job as coach. Would depend on having a good DOF above him. Would have liked De Boer but seems unlikely.

A few weeks ago I was looking forward to the start of the season, now the shambles we've created for ourselves is causing me to lose interest. We're not going to win anything this season I honestly can't believe what a mess we're in right now.

That's the way a minimum fee release clause works unfortunately. If he has a minimum fee release clause in his contract for 10million Euros and someone offers us that money, we have no option but to accept and the proceedings are now effectively in the hands of the player. If he chooses to leave, we can't stop him.

hearing cuellers comments on skysports i dont want him in a rangers jersey he was offered more money turned it down to go to a smaller club in england so i say thanks for last season ugly betty but now dont patronise us with the rangers fans are magnificent just fuck off to england and by the way he aint good enough for the national squad never mind first 11 To be fair, I thought his comments seemed reasonable enough. Unless he said something terrible that I've missed. Personally I can't blame him, even at Villa he has more chance of getting into the Spain squad than he does in the SPL, and that's one of his biggest ambitions. Add that to the fact that we're out of Europe already. Ultimately whoever decided to put a clause in his contract for a pathetic amount of money is to blame. We bought him for €3 mil and who'd have thought he'd be worth €10 mil inside a year? Please try and be reasonable, just as he is being furthering (as he sees it) his career. I'm being as reasonable as I can, but a clause like that just leaves no room for negotiation. Considering that Osasuna are getting a chunk of the fee as well, we're not being left with all that much by today's standards. Without the clause, Cuellar might still have went, but we should at least have been able to hold out for a decent price. As it is we have no choice but to agree.

There's no chance he's coming here.

All these clauses make me wonder if he was going to be sold on from the moment we bought him. Perhaps he exceeded the management's expectations, but unfortunately the clauses were already in place.

And it surprises you that he's leaving? The way we're going there'll be no medals at the end of the season. Besides, it's not like Cuellar's the first player to ever say something like that

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5ho...dwx4DhP2h1XB0HA not any more

hearing cuellers comments on skysports i dont want him in a rangers jersey he was offered more money turned it down to go to a smaller club in england so i say thanks for last season ugly betty but now dont patronise us with the rangers fans are magnificent just fuck off to england and by the way he aint good enough for the national squad never mind first 11 To be fair, I thought his comments seemed reasonable enough. Unless he said something terrible that I've missed. Personally I can't blame him, even at Villa he has more chance of getting into the Spain squad than he does in the SPL, and that's one of his biggest ambitions. Add that to the fact that we're out of Europe already. Ultimately whoever decided to put a clause in his contract for a pathetic amount of money is to blame.

Grabbed this already. Hopefully lots will pick it up.

I do think he's a good player, but.... where is he going to play? His best position is centre forward. Like most of our squad...

me either McBoyd. Me and you seem to be the glass is half full fans (from our posts in the past) but MURRAY GTF Same boat as yous Murray GTF! Same here. Usually I'm one of the calm ones, but I've had more than I can take already this season. Something needs done.