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  1. Incidentally, as Scotland have moved up to 19th this year (mainly it has to be said on the back of Celtic and Aberdeen with 3 wins apiece, and 9 wins and 3 draws overall) and 23rd on the 5-year ranking, our CW will start in ELQ2 as of right in 2018/19 but our Champions will play in CLQ1 under the new format.
  2. Although the regulations no longer require the use of regional groups (as used before 2009), UEFA still uses some kind of regionalization in the first qualifying rounds. At first the clubs are divided into seeded and unseeded teams, and then the seeded and unseeded teams are split into regional groups. The general approach seems to use the North/Central/South scheme, but no specific rules are known. https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2017.html Bert Kassies is usually correct. This is how it resulted this season In the qualifying rounds the teams are divided into groups with the same number of seeded and unseeded teams. A few hours before the draw a computer system is used to prepare the groups such that teams of the same association are not in the same group and and that all groups are about equal strength (in terms of ranking). Then all clubs in each group are ordered randomly and identified by a number. For these draws there are only two bowls with numbered balls, one with the seeded numbers and one with the unseeded numbers. The draw determines the pairs in the groups: e.g. (7 vs 4) which means that the 7th team of each group plays against the 4th club of each group. For the draw of the 1st round the 96 teams are divided into 8 groups of 10 teams and 2 group of 8 teams. For the groups with 10 teams the pairs (5 vs 7), (9 vs 2), (1 vs 10), (4 vs 6), and (3 vs 8) were drawn, and for the group with 8 teams the pairs (6 vs 3), (2 vs 7), (8 vs 4), and (5 vs 1) were drawn. The draw groups were as follows: Group 1 seeded: Stabæk IF, Hearts FC, Linfield Belfast, FK Ventspils, FC Midtjylland unseeded: Víkingur, Suduva Marijampole, Cork City, Infonet Tallinn, Connah's Quay Group 2 seeded: IFK Göteborg, HJK Helsinki, KR Reykjavik, St. Patrick's Athletic, Levadia Tallinn unseeded: Jeunesse d'Esch, HB Torshavn, Glenavon, Atlantas Klaipeda, Llandudno FC Group 3 seeded: Aberdeen, Brøndby IF, Dinamo Minsk, Kalju Nomme, Shamrock Rovers unseeded: FK Trakai, RoPS Rovaniemi, Spartaks Jurmala, Valur Reykjavik, CS Fola Esch Group 4 seeded: AIK Stockholm, Shakhtior Saligorsk, Odd Grenland, Differdange 03, Breidablik unseeded: Cliftonville, FK Jelgava, IFK Mariehamn, NSI Runavik, Bala Town Group 5 seeded: AEK Larnaca, Vojvodina Novi Sad, Siroki Brijeg, Dila Gori, NK Domzale unseeded: Shirak Gyumri, FC Lusitanos, Birkirkara, Bokelj Kotor, Folgore Group 6 seeded: Pyunik Yerevan, Lokomotiva Zagreb, Rabotnicki Skopje, Cukaricki Belgrade, Videoton Fehérvár unseeded: Ordabasy Shymkent, Zaria Balti, Buducnost Podgorica, UE Santa Coloma, Europa FC Group 7 seeded: FK Kukësi, Beitar Jerusalem, Admira Wacker, Neftchi Baku, Zimbru Chisinau unseeded: Balzan FC, Chikhura Sachkhere, Spartak Myjava, Sloboda Tuzla, Rudar Pljevlja Group 8 seeded: FC Vaduz, DVSC Debrecen, Gabala FK, Maccabi Tel-Aviv, FC Beroe Stara Zagora unseeded: Nova Gorica, Radnik Bijeljina, Samtredia, La Fiorita, Sileks Kratovo Group 9 seeded: Cracovia Kraków, Spartak Trnava, Kairat Almaty, Omonia Nicosia unseeded: Shkendija Tetovo, Teuta Durrës, Hibernians FC, Banants Yerevan Group 10 seeded: Dacia Chisinau, FK Aktobe, Zaglebie Lubin, Slovan Bratislava unseeded: Kapaz Ganja, Slavia Sofia, MTK Budapest, Partizani Tirana Note that regional in terms of Scotland might still mean Georgia!
  3. I've been in touch with Bert Kassies and he has now updated the relevant section of his site (not because I asked I hasten to add), as follows: Since the Champions League title holder (Real Madrid or Juventus) already qualified for at least the play-off round of the Champions League, the Europa League title holder (Ajax or Manchester United) will gain access to the play-off round or the group stage of the Champions League, and leave an open spot in the access list. If Manchester United wins the Europa League then there will be an open spot in the Europa League group stage. If Ajax wins the Europa League then there will be only 8 teams in the 3rd qualifying round of the Champions League, which implies an open spot in the play-off round of the Europa League. In both cases the open spot will be taken by the cup winner of the 13th country on the ranking list (Czech Republic). The cup winner of the 18th country on the ranking list (Poland) has direct access to the 3rd qualifying round, and the cup winners of the 25th and 26th countries on the ranking list (Scotland and Azerbaijan) have direct access to the 2nd qualifying round of the Europa League. https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2017.html Aberdeen get this place if they win the Cup or if they finish 2nd in the League, because the Cup losers don't benefit. At this moment we are NOT seeded in Q1; however, we are next in line with a coefficient of 3.875 made up entirely of 20% of Scotland's other Clubs because we have been out of Europe for the past 5 seasons. It's my guess that we will be seeded which means that possible opponents include Shamrock Rovers, Derry City, Cork City from Ireland, Coleraine and Ballymena from NIR, Connah's Quay, Bala Town and Bangor City from Wales, as well as teams from Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Finland, The Faroes, Iceland, Hungary, Lithuania, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Kosova, Albania, Gibraltar and Malta. Given that the first round is regionalised it would seem quite likely that we might end up in Wales, or some part of Ireland. We will not be seeded in Q2, which is where our problems will start against the likes of Hajduk Split (*) Cro 11.550 . Dinamo Minsk * Bls 10.975 . Apollon Limassol (*) Cyp 10.710 . HJK Helsinki * Fin 10.530 . AIK Stockholm * Swe 9.945 . Brøndby IF Den 8.800 . AEL Limassol * Cyp 8.210 . EL3 Tur 7.840 - 58.840 . Gabala FK Azb 7.800 . Slovan Bratislava * Svk 7.350 . EL1 * Srb 7.325 - 16.075 . EL3 Ned >6.712 ->32.712 . EL3 Cze 6.635 - 48.135 . EL3 * Aut 6.570 - 17.070 . EL2 Aut 6.570 - 7.070 . . EL3 Sui 6.415 - 14.415 . AEK Larnaca (*) Cyp 6.210
  4. Well this particular thread is about the TOP but in general terms if you add in that essentially it is King and Murray who are in the dock for the SDI/RRL case and you assume that King is the driving force, then even in general terms it all comes back to King IMO; though by his actions he is putting the Club at serious risk.
  5. I agree 100% that I would rather just turn up and watch the team, especially the fast attacking football that PC is trying to introduce. Unfortunately, I think that a further period of turmoil off the park is inevitable, if DK continues on his current path.
  6. Another reason why it isn't credible as a fans' group, as distinct from a shareholders group (where it is or should be credible); is that it does not represent enough people nor do sufficient people take part in the election process. Isn't that the nub of the issue. It's a legitimate shareholders' group but it's not a legitimate fans' group?
  7. Many thanks, I'm glad you get it and sorry I didn't make it clear enough for some others (my fault entirely). Club 1872 currently represents around 8,000 members, a relatively small minority of regular supporters and its clear that even then, due to the obvious conflicts of interest, they struggle to do that effectively. The total number of votes cast in the election was 1385, less than 17.5% of the members and around 3.5% of all ST holders. How much stronger would it be if there were 40,000 members of the Club who saw it is an important organisation and a far greater proportion could be persuaded to vote in an election.
  8. Again, I would ask you to read my clarifications. I am talking about as many as 40,000 supporters being a member of the Club with a direct say in all manner of things as in the case in Germany, for example. When I was on the RFB, the biggest single issue was ticket allocations. Who would you rather controlled that, the Club or the Supporters? Hamburg SV Supporters control and issue tickets and even get a cut, which allows them to provide other services for fans. Just one idea.
  9. That's pretty much what I said, or meant to say, again apologies for not being clearer. It could be done on an inertia basis or an opt in basis but either way, if you were a season ticket holder, then you would be a member of the Club (not a supporters group) unless you chose not to be. My point is that, as others have made clear, supporters groups by their very nature are factional and unfortunately also can be divisive. If most or at least a very large body of supporters were members of the Club itself, they would have a common purpose, the betterment of the Club. Also those elected would have far greater legitimacy if they were elected by a much wider constituency.
  10. I agree with that. That's how Malaga, for example, do it. When you first buy a ST, you get the option of paying an extra €30 I think it is, to join the Club, which gets you certain privileges and discounts and a vote in the election of the Members Board etc.
  11. As I said, I didn't word that very well. I meant a member of the Club, with a say in all the things the Club does, not a supporters group.
  12. No. Apologies it was a bit early on Saturday morning for me and I can see that wasn't worded very well. You would need to be a member of the CLUB; quite a different thing.
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