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1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Nope AJ's corner gave him good advice, he just didn't follow it, jab jab right every round they told him, AJ never once threw that combo, he allowed ruiz to get close where reach advantage is negated and its all down to hand speed, which AJ has less than ruiz

Next fight AJ needs to keep his distance, wear ruiz down with the jab, get ruiz frustrated and get him rushing in, then AJ can pick him off, hell if he needs to AJ just keep him at arms length with the jab and go the distance, he'll win it on points

Not many in the how division have hand speed and movement like ruiz, a lot are bigger guys that like to swop jabs and try land power punches, definitely the first that AJ has fought like that 

AJ doesn't have a jab. That's one of the main problems. Use the jab to control the pace of the fight or even when you are in trouble. Jab to get through the round. He needs to get back into the gym ASAP and go to work on things. Conditioning, technique, defense, foot work etc. He needs to improve.

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2 hours ago, bluebell82 said:

Joshua's problem is he's too easy to hit, no head movement and far too muscular and bulky so always susceptible to gassing. That said, it was a strange performance from him, can't figure out if Ruiz was just too good for him on the night or Joshua just wasn't on it - prob abit of both. Problem Joshua has now is every serious how will fancy their chances against him now and will know if you keep pressure on him and get him back peddling he may not have the answers. The rematch is absolutely massive for him now, as Hearn said he has to win (nothing like pressure). Remember when David Price was blowing people away in his early days then suddenly he got beat, his confidence was shot, and every seems to know how to beat him...hope the same doesn't happen to Joshua. 

We may never know but probably something wrong with him. I mean his performance was absolutely awful. Povetkin probably would have done him if he fought like that when they met. 

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7 hours ago, Cooperson said:

Totally agree

I thought McCracken was poor and didn’t know what to do either 

There was no tactics of sort if any 

Joshua needs to freshen it up, ie new coach , new approach

 

 

Should go with Peter Fury. Will teach him better defensive skills and how to use his strengths, his physicality and height.

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52 minutes ago, keithgersbear said:

We may never know but probably something wrong with him. I mean his performance was absolutely awful. Povetkin probably would have done him if he fought like that when they met. 

 

Bunce said on 5 live he was suffering from a heavy cold in the earlier part of the week.

I mean coming out with the cold as an excuse will get laughed at, even if a bad one can knock you off your feet for a few days.

 

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9 hours ago, Badger said:

 

Bunce said on 5 live he was suffering from a heavy cold in the earlier part of the week.

I mean coming out with the cold as an excuse will get laughed at, even if a bad one can knock you off your feet for a few days.

 

Frampton said he had a sye in his eye. He must have had something. Not to take away from Ruiz.

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Rumours doing the rounds that he was knocked out in training and was potentially still suffering from concussion hence his father going mental at Hearn after the fight.

Dave Allen mentioned the above in an interview after the fight with one of the youtube boxing channels...interesting thing to slip in if there was no truth to it and could explain why he looked all over the place from round 1.

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He had a black eye and visible marks prior to the fight that he blamed on the physio. Think he was perhaps getting his arse kicked in sparring.

He looked agitated before the fight started and was late to the ring. He was also slevering shite to his trainer in between rounds.

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1 hour ago, callumbo87 said:

Rumours doing the rounds that he was knocked out in training and was potentially still suffering from concussion hence his father going mental at Hearn after the fight.

Dave Allen mentioned the above in an interview after the fight with one of the youtube boxing channels...interesting thing to slip in if there was no truth to it and could explain why he looked all over the place from round 1.

 

27 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Yeah they were talking about the sparring ko rumours on talksport this morning too 

Surely not ? I'd be shocked if he was KO'd and was allowed to fight 

his trainer / the doctor who signed off on it would be fucked and he'd potentially lose his boxing license over in the states ? 

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5 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

Surely not ? I'd be shocked if he was KO'd and was allowed to fight 

his trainer / the doctor who signed off on it would be fucked and he'd potentially lose his boxing license over in the states ? 

This, 

There is no way a boxing doctor allows a fighter to fight after being sparkled in training the week leading up to it

Maybe he took a couple of heavy headshots or something, but no chance he was ko'd leading up to that fight

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27 minutes ago, ShanksRFC said:

He had a black eye and visible marks prior to the fight that he blamed on the physio. Think he was perhaps getting his arse kicked in sparring.

He looked agitated before the fight started and was late to the ring. He was also slevering shite to his trainer in between rounds.

Reason he was slevering shite to his trainer is cause ruiz rang his head like a bell, watch Joshua's first and 4th knockdown if memory serves me right, when he is caught on one side of the head it barely has time to react before being scudded on the other side, when he was saved by the bell his brain was likely still rattling about inside his skull

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14 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Reason he was slevering shite to his trainer is cause ruiz rang his head like a bell, watch Joshua's first and 4th knockdown if memory serves me right, when he is caught on one side of the head it barely has time to react before being scudded on the other side, when he was saved by the bell his brain was likely still rattling about inside his skull

Sure he was slevering shite at the end of the 1st round too but aye, Ruiz hit him with some crackers.

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24 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

Surely not ? I'd be shocked if he was KO'd and was allowed to fight 

his trainer / the doctor who signed off on it would be fucked and he'd potentially lose his boxing license over in the states ? 

Yeah I dont believe it tbh , reckon it's his camp just putting shit out to muddy the waters on why he reacted so badly to being hit 

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23 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Yeah I dont believe it tbh , reckon it's his camp just putting shit out to muddy the waters on why he reacted so badly to being hit 

gassed after 3, think he came in to heavy, his team get it wrong? Ruiz was fucking superb. worthy winner. it now makes the how division even more exciting. probably for the best he has lost, that undefeated clean sheet has ruing boxing for me, we need to ee the best fight the best, fuck the zero on your record. they need to get it on. 

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18 minutes ago, sausagetrunks said:

gassed after 3, think he came in to heavy, his team get it wrong? Ruiz was fucking superb. worthy winner. it now makes the how division even more exciting. probably for the best he has lost, that undefeated clean sheet has ruing boxing for me, we need to ee the best fight the best, fuck the zero on your record. they need to get it on. 

Yeah they all get obsessed about never having a defeat on their record , it didn't do ali etc any damage to their legacy 

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41 minutes ago, sausagetrunks said:

gassed after 3, think he came in to heavy, his team get it wrong? Ruiz was fucking superb. worthy winner. it now makes the how division even more exciting. probably for the best he has lost, that undefeated clean sheet has ruing boxing for me, we need to ee the best fight the best, fuck the zero on your record. they need to get it on. 

 

21 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Yeah they all get obsessed about never having a defeat on their record , it didn't do ali etc any damage to their legacy 

If anything it enhances your legacy IMO if you can come back from a huge defeat and become champ again 

Probably a huge reason why Mayweather isn't as respected as much as he should be tbh (in addition to the vanity, the misogyny, domestic violence :lol:) but he spent so long picking and choosing his fights to keep his record intact. I don't underestimate how incredible a boxer he was but imagine he had actually fought the best in his division when at their prime and won - he'd have universal adulation. 

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3 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

If anything it enhances your legacy IMO if you can come back from a huge defeat and become champ again 

Probably a huge reason why Mayweather isn't as respected as much as he should be tbh (in addition to the vanity, the misogyny, domestic violence :lol:) but he spent so long picking and choosing his fights to keep his record intact. I don't underestimate how incredible a boxer he was but imagine he had actually fought the best in his division when at their prime and won - he'd have universal adulation. 

pacman was a prime example. altho i have my doubt about pacquia being clean.  when pac was destroying everyone. margarito etc Mayweather didnt want none of him.  

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3 hours ago, ShanksRFC said:

Sure he was slevering shite at the end of the 1st round too but aye, Ruiz hit him with some crackers.

Aye he might have been tbh, he clearly wasn't listening to his corner anyway

I think ruiz is being under appreciated as well, everyone talks about how poor AJ was and his record etc, ruiz had a 32-1 record with 21ko's, they might have been bums but its stilp experience in fighting different styles of fighters that have different techniques, good on him for doing his homework on AJ and following his coaches orders etc

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Ruiz leathered him. Plain and simple.

Some of the excuses being peddled now are just embarrassing. At the weigh in we were all told he was in outstanding shape but now suddenly his conditioning and weight is all being debated now.

As for him mumbling shit to his coach in the corner like "why am I feeling like this?" He was feeling like that because he was actually in with someone who wasn't scared of him for a change and he was taking shots all over the place.

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22 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said:

Ruiz leathered him. Plain and simple.

Some of the excuses being peddled now are just embarrassing. At the weigh in we were all told he was in outstanding shape but now suddenly his conditioning and weight is all being debated now.

As for him mumbling shit to his coach in the corner like "why am I feeling like this?" He was feeling like that because he was actually in with someone who wasn't scared of him for a change and he was taking shots all over the place.

the latest is that AJ was concussed hence AJ's dad fighting with Hearn after the fight.  rumours he was sparked in training and sparring in fight week. 

 

 

 

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That rumour about being KO’d is probably the most laughable of them all.

In today’s era that would get someone prison time and a lifetime ban from the sport if that were to happen.

Only a tit would believe it for a second 

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I don't buy all that.

There's absolutely no way Hearn & Co are risking him if he's been concussed during the week.   

Let's not forget Joshua knocked Ruiz down first, his issue was he got hit with a big shot and couldn't recover. 

Sure his camp must have been questionable because he looked like he was blowing out his arse, but the weirdest thing to me is how much he doesn't seem to give a fuck that he got beat. :lol: 

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He doesn't look right but agree with @The Godfather and @ben51 no promoter is putting a fighter into a match that high profile with a concussion, not a chance.

He might have been floored and it's dented his confidence but he didn't have a concussion.

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