ritchieshearercaldow 22,137 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Quite a few on here use this statement "Green stepped in to save us"Lest we forget, Green was not one of the origional parties interested in saving us, if Bill Miller hadn't seen the books and shat in his pants he would have been the saviour, same goes for Bill NG, like Trotters Trading Green saw an opportunity and had a cunning planGreen was nowhere to be seen until he had that oppotunity to make some money.Green never stepped in to "save us" he never gave a shit about Rangers before, he stepped in to make money, that's why Walter made his not for profit statement.The whole deal changed when the CVA was refused, that's when Rangers men made their move, if it's a newco Rangers with a new start and no debts then why shouldn't Rangers men buy it?If we go to div 3 we need to be united, how many will buy season tickets for Div3 football? we can only unite under true Blue blood Rangers Men Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 That is true but save us he did regardless of what was the driving force behind it. McColl could of stepped in after Miller, but chose to wait and let CG be the bad guy with the failed CVA. And what of BK he said he would step in if all else failed, wheres he now? Green is by no means perfect but theres plenty of others who deserve critised before him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers1690 194 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Give the guy a chance... if he'd had got the CVA he'd be a legend right about now. He's trying - let him do his job and we can do ours as fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear822 80 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 No group (Walters included) wanted to be the one associated with taking us down the newco route. Miller considered it, but he wasn't willing to put up the cash to sustain the club throughout the process, neither were TBK ( although why they deserve the caps to describe them heaven knows, after all they, more than most, let us down badly ) Greens' group ( whether it's 20 investors or 4 investors ) DID. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Green ,Black ,Orange Blue us Rangers Supporters will still Follow the Team that Plays in Blue at Ibrox.I will be there 3rd , Junior League or Northern Premier.I Dont really give a shit, as long as we are RFC we will still be Iconic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayq81 231 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Where were the "Rangers" men when we were sinking ? yes they were all fucking talking about helping, none of them did, Green tried for a CVA and through no fault of his own could not get it so he does the only thing possible and that is newco, the guy did save us and now that there is no debt and no dirtying of the hands to be done all of a sudden the "Rangers" men want a piece, well fine if they want a piece then join with Green and stop talking about it, we dont need more talk we need action. In my book Green saved us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter 7 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Quite a few on here use this statement "Green stepped in to save us"Lest we forget, Green was not one of the origional parties interested in saving us, if Bill Miller hadn't seen the books and shat in his pants he would have been the saviour, same goes for Bill NG, like Trotters Trading Green saw an opportunity and had a cunning planGreen was nowhere to be seen until he had that oppotunity to make some money.Green never stepped in to "save us" he never gave a shit about Rangers before, he stepped in to make money, that's why Walter made his not for profit statement.The whole deal changed when the CVA was refused, that's when Rangers men made their move, if it's a newco Rangers with a new start and no debts then why shouldn't Rangers men buy it?If we go to div 3 we need to be united, how many will buy season tickets for Div3 football? we can only unite under true Blue blood Rangers MenThe rangers men made their move when they thought they could pay as little as possible, as for asking CG to "stand aside", that's fucking laughable if they weren't so serious.Has walters group actually committed to investing yet or are people creaming themselves over them and we don't even know their plan yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Give the guy a chance... if he'd had got the CVA he'd be a legend right about now. He's trying - let him do his job and we can do ours as fans.Craig Whyte looked as if he was trying and people said give him a chance. Are Rangers fans ever going to learn? We have a chance to get smith in control then we won't have "to give him a chance" or "wait and see". We can just continue to be fans instead of worrying about people who are running us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysblue 709 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 All the Rangers men were waiting on liquidation or new co route/ TBK tried to do it cheaply but it maybe was never an option. Said this before on here, "if you had made a few million due to your hard work, paid your taxes, why would you want to give more money to the taxman when you can pick up the pieces via liquidation. It was always inevitable but the "Rangers Men" initially couldn't be associated with that. personally I dont give a toss about the HMRC or Ticketus but I do care about the small debtors and hope they will be paid.As an aside if Walter and Co get control, they can reissue the shares to minor shareholders like myself free of charge!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The rangers men made their move when they thought they could pay as little as possible, as for asking CG to "stand aside", that's fucking laughable if they weren't so serious.Has walters group actually committed to investing yet or are people creaming themselves over them and we don't even know their plan yet?There plan is to put it in safe hands and get the fans involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Where were the "Rangers" men when we were sinking ? yes they were all fucking talking about helping, none of them did, Green tried for a CVA and through no fault of his own could not get it so he does the only thing possible and that is newco, the guy did save us and now that there is no debt and no dirtying of the hands to be done all of a sudden the "Rangers" men want a piece, well fine if they want a piece then join with Green and stop talking about it, we dont need more talk we need action. In my book Green saved usSo walter smith done nothing did he? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,273 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Maybe he didn't specifically step in with the sole intention of saving us. But he did step in AND save us. That should never be overlooked. Another thing that shouldn't be overlooked is we would not have a club now if it wasn't for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Craig Whyte looked as if he was trying and people said give him a chance. Are Rangers fans ever going to learn? We have a chance to get smith in control then we won't have "to give him a chance" or "wait and see". We can just continue to be fans instead of worrying about people who are running us.as far as it looks Walter isnt going to be in charge of anything. His name is all, that seems to being used to get fans on board. With joining CG he can be chairman of the football board if he wants or just another investor, its up to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Maybe he didn't specifically step in with the sole intention of saving us. But he did step in AND save us. That should never be overlooked. Another thing that shouldn't be overlooked is we would not have a club now if it wasn't for him.Correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter 7 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 There plan is to put it in safe hands and get the fans involved.I'm talking about the alleged £1m per month shortfall, are they going to fund it? sell whatever players we've got left? are they going to invest or are we going to end up with a shyte team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAllyTheKing 0 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Maybe he didn't specifically step in with the sole intention of saving us. But he did step in AND save us. That should never be overlooked. Another thing that shouldn't be overlooked is we would not have a club now if it wasn't for him.Smith/McColl made their bid after HMRC confirmed that not only would there be no CVA, but there was never even a chance of one. (I am convinced that everyone involved knew that it would be rejected.)So Smith/McColl would have bought the assets if Green didn't. Therefore to say we would not have a club right now if it wasn't for Green is wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I have it under very good authority that he actually jigged in to save us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Smith/McColl made their bid after HMRC confirmed that not only would there be no CVA, but there was never even a chance of one. (I am convinced that everyone involved knew that it would be rejected.)So Smith/McColl would have bought the assets if Green didn't. Therefore to say we would not have a club right now if it wasn't for Green is wrong.Green had a binding contract so there was never any danger of him not buying the assets.Walter and McColl could have had the same privilege if they had came forward earlier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter 7 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Smith/McColl made their bid after HMRC confirmed that not only would there be no CVA, but there was never even a chance of one. (I am convinced that everyone involved knew that it would be rejected.)So Smith/McColl would have bought the assets if Green didn't. Therefore to say we would not have a club right now if it wasn't for Green is wrong.So why didn't they step forward and say that at the during the CVA process, it would've saved alot of cynicism and people would've been behind them straight away, and CG wouldn't have got a look in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeonBlue 378 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 so many threads all on the same subject Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAllyTheKing 0 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 So why didn't they step forward and say that at the during the CVA process, it would've saved alot of cynicism and people would've been behind them straight away, and CG wouldn't have got a look in.IMO they would have been slaughtered for doing that while a lot of supporters still believed a CVA was acheivable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 so many threads all on the same subjectHear hear. It's boring as fuck. Hope something gets sorted soon so that we don't have to keep endlessly talking about it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansypotterthedirtyrotter 7 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 IMO they would have been slaughtered for doing that while a lot of supporters still believed a CVA was acheivable.Not if they were honest, all they had to do was say the CVA was bullshit and this is the only way forward.we may not have liked it but we would've accepted it from walter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,137 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Green failed, he dangled the CVA in front of us, he was confident of getting the CVA, it didn't happen, we are a newco.Ok maybe he honestly tried, but maybe he knew all along that it wasn't going to happen, he's now picked up a huge club for a bargain price of £5.5 mil no debts but an uncertain future, how long before his backers start looking for a return, Green cannot guarantee success on the park, he cannot guarantee his investors a return except that their capital is safe... Rangers assets are worth far more than £5.5 mil and they belong to Green & co, they should be in the hands of Rangers fans, Walter, McColl and Park being three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofCoop 17,273 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Smith/McColl made their bid after HMRC confirmed that not only would there be no CVA, but there was never even a chance of one. (I am convinced that everyone involved knew that it would be rejected.)So Smith/McColl would have bought the assets if Green didn't. Therefore to say we would not have a club right now if it wasn't for Green is wrong.WRONG. Had Green not stepped in when he did (i.e while there was just enough time to try & go for a CVA) HMRC would not be in sole charge of any assets. BDO would have been appointed liquidators and that would have been that.Smith & Mccoll were not even on the horizon until this week. Remember, no Green would have meant no funds at the end of May. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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