Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We actually have mate. You have named a few first team regulars, the football club lost 23 squad players, key players or not. It is a fact no one can argue, 23 footballers have left our club since January, in fact if you add in Edu, Bedoya and Goian, that is 26 and Bocoanegra wants to leave allegedly.and how many of them were integral to ally's plans? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 True.My raging/inebriated state may have caused that. I think I should change it.Why change it, it is a fact that results support, so far Ally has not been up to the job of manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Why change it, it is a fact that results support, so far Ally has not been up to the job of manager.I don't think that, looking back, I can say Ally ISN'T up to the job.I can say he might not be unless he learns to change a game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 True.My raging/inebriated state may have caused that. I think I should change it.should probably stick a 'be' in that title too mind you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 and how many of them were integral to ally's plans?He had picked each and every one of them to play in the first team at some point. As i said above, integral, key, important, back up, whatever, it doesn't matter. Football is a squad game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Good luck with that one.You either hate Ally or you're in love with him from what I can gather from the board since Sunday.I've never wanted a Rangers manager to succeed more than Ally, the second greatest Ranger ever behind Walter in my eyes, and some think I hate him because I - along with plenty of others - can see glaring tactical deficiencies in his game.finding that irritating myself. Me, like many, frsutrated and worried by what we are seeing but still love Ally and desperate for him to succeed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I don't think that, looking back, I can say Ally ISN'T up to the job.I can say he might not be unless he learns to change a game.That would oblige the premise that Ally is at this moment up to the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Why did you wait 3 days and 23 pages to change it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 and how many of them were integral to ally's plans?Only Ally can answer that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Every manager gets things wrong but they are judged on how they can change the game. When things are going wrong for us, like Peterhead and Berwick away, I have saw nothing to suggest Ally has the know how to change things in our favour. I couldn't fathom what formation we were playing after Berwick scored. It just appeared to be that big long punt up the pitch to Kyle and if that's the best Ally can come up with then it is worrying. Even last year in the SPL there were games when things were not going right and nothing seemed to change.There is no one doubting how much of a Rangers man Ally is or how much he is adored and worshiped by the fans but right now it is his job to get the team playing and winning games against teams we should be beating in second gear and based on all our away games so far we could be in for a few shocks along the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 He had picked each and every one of them to play in the first team at some point. As i said above, integral, key, important, back up, whatever, it doesn't matter. Football is a squad game.and surely you think that he has a squad good enough for the 3rd division?????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 and surely you think that he has a squad good enough for the 3rd division??????It is a small squad just now but a squad capable of competing in the SPL, never mind the 3rd division Jim. That is not up for debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It is a small squad just now but a squad capable of competing in the SPL, never mind the 3rd division Jim. That is not up for debate. so surely the loss of 23 squad members isnt a reason for our piss poor tactics and gameplay Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Finding that a lot of disagreements in this thread have either no basis, or just a personal attack.Does anyone have any solid argument against those who think McCoist has a load to learn?I notice during this debate that YOU have changed your opinion from basically ... McCoist isn't up to the job' .... to McCoist has a lot to learn - including even changing the title of the thread! it is good to see that the debate has softened your stand somewhat - next thing you know you'll actually start backing him and providing your support Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 so surely the loss of 23 squad members isnt a reason for our piss poor tactics and gameplayIt sure isn't but it is a factor in why maybe the club and Ally is struggling right now. In anyones book and at any club that is a huge turnaround. I would still like 4 or 5 players for the first team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It sure isn't but it is a factor in why maybe the club and Ally is struggling right now. In anyones book and at any club that is a huge turnaround. I would still like 4 or 5 players for the first team.in the SPL i would agree, but when 5 grand a week professionals are being played off the park by a bunch of part timers that spend more time at their jobs than at their own football ground is nothing short of embarrassingand what made it worse is that our management team did nothing during the game in an attempt to change the game, or at least it looked like they neverdo you remember being humped 4-1 of unirea at ibrox, we went 1-0 up and were in control of the game, Dan Petrescu actually changed the game after 20mins, maybe less because he seen a better way for his team to play against usSimple and effectively, they horsed us after thatWhen was the last time we had a forward thinking manager like that, Advocaat maybe?????????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeDontDoWalkingAway1872 303 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 He's a legend, that's a given, but he's not a manager.He's a legend, fantastic guy, but (so far) he's not a Rangers manager.Last time I looked guys he was manager of Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 I notice during this debate that YOU have changed your opinion from basically ... McCoist isn't up to the job' .... to McCoist has a lot to learn - including even changing the title of the thread! it is good to see that the debate has softened your stand somewhat - next thing you know you'll actually start backing him and providing your support It's a forum.If everyone stood up and changed things that they felt needed changed after discussion we'd all get on better.I stand by all of it, but the title was a bit sensationalistic upon reflection. Marco Negri's Beard 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 3 days worth of reflection? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It's a forum.If everyone stood up and changed things that they felt needed changed after discussion we'd all get on better.I stand by all of it, but the title was a bit sensationalistic upon reflection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 3 days worth of reflection?Mostly on the iPhone these days with a fucking horrid signal where I work and live.This afternoon was the first time I'd been on the desktop since Sunday.But close to three days, some arguments have swayed me, some haven't. I think it's a fair reflection on what's been said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 this thread still going... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 in the SPL i would agree, but when 5 grand a week professionals are being played off the park by a bunch of part timers that spend more time at their jobs than at their own football ground is nothing short of embarrassingand what made it worse is that our management team did nothing during the game in an attempt to change the game, or at least it looked like they neverdo you remember being humped 4-1 of unirea at ibrox, we went 1-0 up and were in control of the game, Dan Petrescu actually changed the game after 20mins, maybe less because he seen a better way for his team to play against usSimple and effectively, they horsed us after thatWhen was the last time we had a forward thinking manager like that, Advocaat maybe??????????Advocaat couldn't really do it either, he just went out and bought a multi million pound player after a bad result and when the funds dried up he couldn't run away fast enough. We have never really had a forward thinking tactically ambitious and progressive manager, it is a wonderful thought and there are plenty out there, we have just kept too many things in house. I do know what you are saying and i do agree something is wrong. Do you accept these players have let, not just the themselves, the fans and the club down, but their manager down too? It shouldn't matter what team Ally picks, any permutation of 11 players for Rangers should be beating any division 3 side we are up against. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crespie6 334 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I notice during this debate that YOU have changed your opinion from basically ... McCoist isn't up to the job' .... to McCoist has a lot to learn - including even changing the title of the thread! it is good to see that the debate has softened your stand somewhat - next thing you know you'll actually start backing him and providing your support is the OP really Dave? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Advocaat couldn't really do it either, he just went out and bought a multi million pound player after a bad result and when the funds dried up he couldn't run away fast enough. We have never really had a forward thinking tactically ambitious and progressive manager, it is a wonderful thought and there are plenty out there, we have just kept too many things in house. I do know what you are saying and i do agree something is wrong. Do you accept these players have let, not just the themselves, the fans and the club down, but their manager down too? It shouldn't matter what team Ally picks, any permutation of 11 players for Rangers should be beating any division 3 side we are up against.bit harsh on advocaat, i remember a paper showed that advocaats rangers won more points after he made a substitution during a game, i.e we went from losing/drawing to drawing/winning Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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