Creampuff 22,628 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 There's a clear distinction between using these words in a jovial context to a friend that is clearly okay with it, and using it to abuse a stranger. I know that, you know that, and Charles Green knows that.Fuck it, maybe they call him a mad honkey or a cracker boy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hypothetically, if you were in Pakistan and played for a football team who were all pakistanis, apart from you, and they decided to call you "Whitey".Would you be offended?Whitey, hokny that kind of thing? I wouldn't be happy about it no. I take it you would then? Right, now you answer my question in the first post, the part about justifying the term darkie. Don't deflect again like this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christchurch Rangers 1,229 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 i used to work with a maori guy who happened to be gay. he used to give me the hitler salute every time i was at work and say heil hitler in his little gay voicei had a number one haircut at the timeit was a hoot and we all knew it was a laughand in return id make fun of something about himit was all banterevery situation is different Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jintybear 8,535 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hypothetically, if you were in Pakistan and played for a football team who were all pakistanis, apart from you, and they decided to call you "Whitey".Would you be offended?No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 i dunno mate but i think everything just gets blown way out of proportion on these forums and in the media. it's all fucking mentalim over iti just wanna see some decent football ffsThe fact is it's not just this though. It's all building up, Charles Green being the centre of attention has been going on for most of the season. Whether he's making comments about fans singing, other clubs, whatever the topic is, Green has to be the focal point and it's not right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 There's a clear distinction between using these words in a jovial context to a friend that is clearly okay with it, and using it to abuse a stranger. I know that, you know that, and Charles Green knows that.Fuck it, maybe they call him a mad honkey or a cracker boy.And then there is broadcasting the fact he says it, in the national media. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 The world has went to PC because we denounce terms like darkie and paki? Are you serious. The first part of my post was tongue-in-cheek, but you can't tell tone over the Internet.Yes it is difficult to judge someone tone over the Internet or through print media yet it seems many are making assumptions on greens comment! "I know a guy who any time he sees me says what up n***er?".....now does that make him a racist? Is he being offensive or is he using a colloquial term to address his mate? Some people probably would take offence to that even in that context but that's their problem!Now I agree as CEO of rangers he needs to be more guarded with what he says but again that just highlights his point that the world has went far to far to be offended by words and or terms regardless of context! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 You could criticise him without the insults you know. I could and maybe should have. But he is acting like a fanny. I will keep my insults relevant in future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 There's a clear distinction between using these words in a jovial context to a friend that is clearly okay with it, and using it to abuse a stranger. I know that, you know that, and Charles Green knows that.Fuck it, maybe they call him a mad honkey or a cracker boy.As I said, he keeps it to himself then. He doesn't blow open the door to criticism by telling it to the press. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 You really, really haven't touched any nerves. First of all, the only thing I'm offended by, is your reliance on the use of "context" to attempt to justify the use of racist terms. Can you justify using the term darkie? In what context was that used?No you arethe one who refuses to accept that context plays any part in the use of terminology that some may find offensive. Your dismissal of the example I provided and your continuing avoidance of answering a question to me seems to confirm that your faux offendeness is much more to do with your general attitude to Green, as evidenced by your ranting post in this thread, than any genuine concern for folk who suffer discrimination on a daily basis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,295 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 it's wrong to be racist but i'll be brually honest...i have many asian friends who often ask me to call them by that word. I genuinly don't do it, but alot asians do ask for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCables 11 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 What would the reaction be by most if he called Lennon a Fenian bastard in the paper. He would be applauded and given legend status.Why the outrage with this??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hypothetically, if you were in Pakistan and played for a football team who were all pakistanis, apart from you, and they decided to call you "Whitey".Would you be offended?I'd have them play "Play that funky music, white boy" as my goal tune. jack1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 What would the reaction be by most if he called Lennon a Fenian bastard in the paper. He would be applauded and given legend status.Why the outrage with this???.Post of the year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Yes it is difficult to judge someone tone over the Internet or through print media yet it seems many are making assumptions on greens comment! "I know a guy who any time he sees me says what up n***er?".....now does that make him a racist? Is he being offensive or is he using a colloquial term to address his mate? Some people probably would take offence to that even in that context but that's their problem!Now I agree as CEO of rangers he needs to be more guarded with what he says but again that just highlights his point that the world has went far to far to be offended by words and or terms regardless of context!No, it doesn't make him racist, it makes him an idiot. No offence intended to your mate. Charles Green has not made a good point in this interview, he has embarrassed the Rangers name and brand. You think people will read this and apply "context" or do you think they will use it as rope to hang us with? You think these kind of stories attract investors? Sponsors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christchurch Rangers 1,229 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 The fact is it's not just this though. It's all building up, Charles Green being the centre of attention has been going on for most of the season. Whether he's making comments about fans singing, other clubs, whatever the topic is, Green has to be the focal point and it's not right.yeh i hear what you are saying but my point is that everything has just been amplified to the max and its all gotten outta wackgreen ends up being the focal point cos people like to put the spotlight onto him Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 What would the reaction be by most if he called Lennon a Fenian bastard in the paper. He would be applauded and given legend status.Why the outrage with this???Fucking hell Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 it's wrong to be racist but i'll be brually honest...i have many asian friends who often ask me to call them by that word. I genuinly don't do it, but alot asians do ask for it.Anyone who has been around a lot of Asians or has them in their friend circle knows this.There's a clear difference between the word 'paki' and using it as an insult. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 No you arethe one who refuses to accept that context plays any part in the use of terminology that some may find offensive. Your dismissal of the example I provided and your continuing avoidance of answering a question to me seems to confirm that your faux offendeness is much more to do with your general attitude to Green, as evidenced by your ranting post in this thread, than any genuine concern for folk who suffer discrimination on a daily basis.The only question you asked me was if you touched a nerve. I answered that. I don't see any other question. But please ask away. And my dismissal of context is because it's a cop out. Darkie and paki aren't acceptable terms to use. It's really not difficult. You'd address a black person as ni**er in the correct context? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBunny 441 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I'm extremely disappointed with Green's remarks, but not surprised. Just more noise from a guy who likes his own voice. A number of posters have suggested that Paki is akin to Scot. Had it not been a term that was generally used disparagingly, and frequently followed by "b*stard", that would be right, but the fact is that it's a best seen as an ignorant remark used to exclude and to denote Asians, regardless of what country they or their parents originated from. Most "Pakis" in the UK were born here, so the use of the word can't be excused by the claim that it's just the same as saying "Aussie". It's also used despite the fact that "Pakis" parents come from India, Benghal, Bhutan, Afghanistan, Khazakstan etc etc. Green presumably sees his "friend" as less than an equal, or wouldn't feel the need to apply the term. Green thinks skin colour or background is in some way relevant and worthy of comment, and that says all you need to know about him. As for whether it's offensive, I doubt any of the Asians I know would feel offended. This is because they're above it and recognise ignorance for what it is. Doesn't mean they wouldn't rather it stopped.Agree with every word. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I could and maybe should have. But he is acting like a fanny. I will keep my insults relevant in future.However you feel, I just think he deserves our respect even if he has got this wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christchurch Rangers 1,229 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 You'd address a black person as ni**er in the correct context?If i was in a rapping duel id feel obliged to use the N word Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 No, it doesn't make him racist, it makes him an idiot. No offence intended to your mate. Charles Green has not made a good point in this interview, he has embarrassed the Rangers name and brand. You think people will read this and apply "context" or do you think they will use it as rope to hang us with? You think these kind of stories attract investors? Sponsors?I'm agreeing as rangers CEO it wasn't the best interview to give however green could say the grass was green and the sky was blue and some would find fault and/or take offence! Once again I agree as a figure head for our club he needs to be smarter and more guarded with his comments but then again that emphasises his point!In relation to my mate, he is an idiot, so no offence taken but the point is he is someone who doesn't have a racist, bigoted or judgmental bone in his body and doesn't take offence to anything that is not a direct remark or with a derogatory undertone! In this context and the one green refers to his mate is not something anyone should take offence to but they will and that's why the world is too PC IMO....that said once again I agree as rangers CEO he needs to be more guarded with his views.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 226 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 This 'insult' has always intrigued me. Ive often heard people from Scotland referred to as a 'Scot'. Basically just a shortened version of Scottish I presume. No unless it has bastard tacked on the end then it isn't an offensive term at all.Paki is a shortened version of Pakistani, I presume, but the connotations seem to be so different. Why? However, in my opinion, Green shouldn't even have mentioned it. It's not the time and not while representing Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon 1,727 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 If i was in a rapping duel id feel obliged to use the N word I read this as raping originally. I panicked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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