theblueoysterbar 19,465 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Read this yesterday about Malaga:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22573330The crucial bit is that they were banned from Europe for each season that they qualified forDoes this apply to us? Do we have to win top division in Scotland a number of times to serve out this three year ban? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicopter Sundae 5,916 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 From what I understand, our ban is because of Newco status, which is different to Malaga's ( which is due to the FFP Rule).We need to provide 3 years full accounts.I would love to have this clarified as well.On top of that, we would then need to qualify for Europe, which is where we need to build a strong team for the top division. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,208 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 3 year Euro ban for us. It is a sore one. No short cuts, just hard work. That's the way to be back at the top. Our time will come People. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FernandoR20 2,133 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Very sure it just means 3 years in total. So we'll be able to play in Europe again in 2016 i think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,357 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We have already served one year so it is 2 years to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FernandoR20 2,133 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 2012/13 - 3 years2013/14 - 2 years2014/15 - 1 yearSo yeah, it'll be the beginning of the 2015/16 season infact.So the year we (hopefully) get back into the top flight will be the same year we can get back into Europe. Shall be an exciting season! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1872 3,694 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 2012/13 - 3 years2013/14 - 2 years2014/15 - 1 yearSo yeah, it'll be the beginning of the 2015/16 season infact.Very unlikely that we'll be playing in Europe at any stage during the 2015/16 season. It would require a Scottish Cup win (or possibly runners up) for us to qualify for Europa League qualifiers whilst a 1st Division side.Think it will most likely by 2016/2017 season before we get a sniff of European football again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I think saying its a ban is the wrong terminology as we're illegible due to the three year accounts. Its two seperate issues. A ban is a punishment for wrongdoing, having a new company isn't a wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Seem to remember that isn't set in stone, if we were to win the Scottish Cup next year there is a path to get early dispensation from the SFA, what are our chances of getting anything from the SFA? what are our chances of winning the Scottish cup?Wouldn't hold my breath for one and can dream about the other... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 The players cant eat pizza or bratwurst. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Seem to remember that isn't set in stone, if we were to win the Scottish Cup next year there is a path to get early dispensation from the SFA, what are our chances of getting anything from the SFA? what are our chances of winning the Scottish cup?Wouldn't hold my breath for one and can dream about the other...Well obviously it would be for the good if Scottish football and the co-efficient to try to get us back in, therefore the whole nation would be behind fast-tracking is into Europe should we win a cup. Not necessarily going to hold my breath though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 2012/13 - 3 years2013/14 - 2 years2014/15 - 1 yearSo yeah, it'll be the beginning of the 2015/16 season infact.So the year we (hopefully) get back into the top flight will be the same year we can get back into Europe. Shall be an exciting season!This is going to be a long hard slog Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well obviously it would be for the good if Scottish football and the co-efficient to try to get us back in, therefore the whole nation would be behind fast-tracking is into Europe should we win a cup. Not necessarily going to hold my breath though.The good of Scottish football comes a poor second to the call for sporting integrity, if such an unlikly outcome came about, there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the footballing fraternity, IMO our chances improve in direct proportion to how well hearts are treated. The irony of that will be totally lost on some.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iakona 2,244 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well obviously it would be for the good if Scottish football and the co-efficient to try to get us back in, therefore the whole nation would be behind fast-tracking is into Europe should we win a cup. Not necessarily going to hold my breath though.We can't be fast tracked.. We simply don't meet UEFA's requirements to compete. By transferring to a new company our previous UEFA license is now void... so we need to remain in our current form for 3 years before UEFA will grant us a new one.It has nothing to do the SFA.1A licence applicant may only be a football club, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions which either: a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated league (hereinafter: registered member); or b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football company). 2The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example, changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition is deemed as an interruption of memberhttp://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/50/09/12/1500912_DOWNLOAD.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We can't be fast tracked.. We simply don't meet UEFA's requirements to compete. By transferring to a new company our previous UEFA license is now void... so we need to remain in our current form for 3 years before UEFA will grant us a new one.It has nothing to do the SFA.http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/50/09/12/1500912_DOWNLOAD.pdfArticle 15 is interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbryce 63 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Read this yesterday about Malaga:http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/22573330The crucial bit is that they were banned from Europe for each season that they qualified forDoes this apply to us? Do we have to win top division in Scotland a number of times to serve out this three year ban?Our's isn't a ban per se. We don't meet the criteria to qualify for Europe because we don't have 3 years accounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougied123 222 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Our ban lasted for three years from last summer, unless SFA/SPL can come up with some other kind of shit to throw at us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbryce 63 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We have already served one year so it is 2 years to go.We need 3 years accounts. I'm not sure at what point we need to have them. The first year's accounts are for the year ended 30th June 2013 which are due at Companies House by 28th February 2014. Obviously they haven't been filed yet, because there's still 6 weeks to go before the year end, so at the moment we still don't have any accounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Article 15 is interesting.Was just going to post that, thanks.Its really meant to cover the possibility of a non-league team winning the Scottish cup. But it covers an early route back to european football at the request of the SFA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 768 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 as far as i am aware we are not really banned from europe, we cant play because we dont have 3 years of accounts to show. There has however been teams before who have played without accounts dating back 3 years ,all you need for this to happen is the sfa to back us and give us dispensation to play, which uefa have accepted before. I keep hoping we win a cup with a euro place so we can make an issue of this and heap more pressure on the sfa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,031 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Was just going to post that, thanks.Its really meant to cover the possibility of a non-league team winning the Scottish cup. But it covers an early route back to european football at the request of the SFA.That's my interpretation aswell, or possibly a new club/company. I would like this article put to a test case IF we win the SC.At the end of the day it should be about the football and not the business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammyfraserrfc 5 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We are not banned from Europe, we arent eligible to play at the moment, would be interesting if we did qualify before we have 3 years audited accounts, rules are there to be broken, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Bear 72 363 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I think saying its a ban is the wrong terminology as we're illegible due to the three year accounts. Its two seperate issues. A ban is a punishment for wrongdoing, having a new company isn't a wrong.Exactly what I was going to say. No ban. One of the UEFA license requirements is 3 years of audited and published accounts. It could technically prevent any team from performing in Europe if they failed to meet that requirement.We should become eligible during season 2014-2015 in which case only a Scottish Cup win that season would allow us to qualify for Europe the following season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,851 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Exactly what I was going to say. No ban. One of the UEFA license requirements is 3 years of audited and published accounts. It could technically prevent any team from performing in Europe if they failed to meet that requirement.We should become eligible during season 2014-2015 in which case only a Scottish Cup win that season would allow us to qualify for Europe the following season.Read http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/50/09/12/1500912_DOWNLOAD.pdfArticle 15 and its associated annex (IV)There is absolutely no reason we could not request a special extraordinary license to compete in the Europa league, if we win the Scottish cup, before the end of our INELIGIBLE period of three years. We are not BANNED from Europe, merely ineligible due to not having three years financial documents. Of course, they may well insist on the three years financials as part of the documentation required and refuse that way but we can still apply....The Champion's League would be out for us as we can not (unless reconstructed in) get into, and win, the top division within the three years anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy 1,308 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We can't be fast tracked.. We simply don't meet UEFA's requirements to compete.By transferring to a new company our previous UEFA license is now void... so we need to remain in our current form for 3 years before UEFA will grant us a new one.It has nothing to do the SFA.http://www.uefa.com/...12_DOWNLOAD.pdfSo what happens to the Rangers coefficient that is still accumulating points when we re-enter euro competitions? 91Rangers FC SCO 0.375 6.533 12.720 2.050 0.860 22.538 http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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