BigDak 785 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 So is there any word on when this is gong to be decided upon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I'm pretty sure there was a thread on here couple of years ago stating the scum have 3 companies and it was something like 1 of the companies has all the debt but no assets meaning if they decided to go into administration then creditors would get nothing as all assets inc players contracts are in one of the other companies allegedlypzj has just tweeted one of the companies balance sheet.http://www.companies...cument/21428407now as you can see there is fuck all money really going in or out of this company .it states celtic fc limited is the parent company and is the other not still called pacific shelf ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDolphins 5,355 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I'm pretty sure there was a thread on here couple of years ago stating the scum have 3 companies and it was something like 1 of the companies has all the debt but no assets meaning if they decided to go into administration then creditors would get nothing as all assets inc players contracts are in one of the other companies.pzj has just tweeted one of the companies balance sheet.http://www.companies...cument/21428407now as you can see there is fuck all money really going in or out of this company .it states celtic fc limited is the parent company and is the other not still called pacific shelf ?Surely that can't be legal otherwise every cunt would do it and no company would ever be liable for debts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,138 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I'm sure something similar has been posted on here before: http://galluspioneer.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/celtic-newco-the-proof/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCPRANGERS1 2,997 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 There ARE currently 3 companies they have all with different numbers under companies house and run from the glitterdomeCELTIC FC LIMITED 12 YRS OLDTHE CELTIC FOOTBALL ABD ALTHLETIC CONPANY LIMITED 19 YRS OLDCELTIC PLC 117 URS old.Each one with almost the same directors but different liabilities etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JäGERmeister 33 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Surely that can't be legal otherwise every cunt would do it and no company would ever be liable for debts?Illegality is one thing, but it's how it sits with the league rules on player registration and the like I'd want to know more about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDolphins 5,355 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Illegality is one thing, but it's how it sits with the league rules on player registration and the like I'd want to know more about.Do you mean it may be a breach of rules for a player to be registered with one entity while actually working for another? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,492 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Do you mean it may be a breach of rules for a player to be registered with one entity while actually working for another?I enquired about this before craig whyte, i asked why third parties couldnt pay a new players wages for us, was told its against the rules Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 This whole thing would seem to be spiralling into three different areas.Possible illegal state aid via land deals and possible infringements regarding the values placed on these pieces of land by HMRC's DV.Possible banking infringements as to how mortgages were gained in relation to original securities held against them. How can you mortgage an entity that would have no end value to a ban if it is found to have been built on land owned by a third party. As a from of security the value of c****c park is non-existent as it's future use by any other purchases is reliant on the accommodation of the owner of the land on which it is built. It is a single use entity and that is as the home of c****c football club.Possible infringements due to the structure o the three c****c companies in regard to who holds the licence to allow them to play in the SPFL, and who owns the contracts of the players who the employ.I would have to say that from where I sit there is a prima facia case for them to be investigated not only for state aid violations, but for possible violation of banking laws. As for the GCC/DV side of things one would have to say there may be enough there to have a prima facia investigation into possible acts of corruption or fraud by certain parties. The possible outcome of any of these being proven would certainly make the HMRC tax case over EBT's look very small, though it would make for some awkward questions for whoever was in control of HMRC's treatment of Rangers. 72barca, fuckthespl, cumnockbear and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
72barca 1,788 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Who exactly would be responsible for initiating legal action in each of these cases?Would it be a Glasgow taxpayer?Would it be an SPFL club claiming that they suffered an unfair sporting disadvantage?Would it be our own version of 'a fat low-level paper gatherer'?Would it be a fan complaint, hence the RFFF funds could be used - we could obtain stripped titles from them?Apart from PZJ sending evidence to the EU Commission who else is contemplating action? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 http://www.docdroid.net/dhs0/4665061-stevens2.pdf.html. Here is a document from an FOI by pzj to gcc . From reading it I'm not sure what the 'error' is was plot 2 not meant to be on the map and is still owned by gcc or was the error that gcc have ended up giving plot 2 to the scum for nothing can anyone shed any light ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Who exactly would be responsible for initiating legal action in each of these cases?Would it be a Glasgow taxpayer?Would it be an SPFL club claiming that they suffered an unfair sporting disadvantage?Would it be our own version of 'a fat low-level paper gatherer'?Would it be a fan complaint, hence the RFFF funds could be used - we could obtain stripped titles from them?Apart from PZJ sending evidence to the EU Commission who else is contemplating action?pzj tweeting sfa are waiting until EU investigation is over 72barca 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprotson11 147 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 pzj tweeting sfa are waiting until EU investigation is overI wonder if they have any low level paper gatherers with time to spare? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprotson11 147 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Do you mean it may be a breach of rules for a player to be registered with one entity while actually working forYou would think so, but they have had this PLC structure for such a long time and it has been fairly common knowledge. I just cant see anything coming of this one Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprotson11 147 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Hopefully PZJ will post the details from the land registry soon to show that Celtic do not own their own stadum.You have to wonder how they can get a mortgage on it then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 72barca - "Who exactly would be responsible for initiating legal action in each of these cases?Would it be a Glasgow taxpayer?Would it be an SPFL club claiming that they suffered an unfair sporting disadvantage?Would it be our own version of 'a fat low-level paper gatherer'?Would it be a fan complaint, hence the RFFF funds could be used - we could obtain stripped titles from them?"In most cases it would have to be the Police acting on information received. In the case of the land deals we certainly seem to be heading to a point where this would be viable regarding the GCC/land deals situation.In the case of their dealings with the Co-op bank I would presume it would have to be a complaint raised with whoever deals with these maters regarding bank regulations. Though if someone had legally found enough evidence of them obtaining funds via fraudulent means this may mean that you could make a complaint again to the Police first.As for the football authorities it would be a case of playing them at their own game and submitting a dossier on their activities regarding the land/bank situation and making sure every news source in the UK and Europe was supplied with the same information to try and limit their ability to cover it up by denying receipt of the information. 72barca, LineysLament and Faircity 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose1975 1,287 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Bump Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 soulboy - "pzj tweeting sfa are waiting until EU investigation is over"After finding out how many of their top post holders are jumping ship you have to wonder how many will be left to investigate anything. Then again perhaps it's a case of leaving before they get investigated. Not making any accusations of course, but it does make you wonder. mabawsa 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,138 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 soulboy - "pzj tweeting sfa are waiting until EU investigation is over"After finding out how many of their top post holders are jumping ship you have to wonder how many will be left to investigate anything. Then again perhaps it's a case of leaving before they get investigated. Not making any accusations of course, but it does make you wonder.just like they waited until the BTC was over with us!! Fucking corrupt scum that's what they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 peter1872 - "just like they waited until the BTC was over with us!! Fucking corrupt scum that's what they are."Always had the feeling that VL was brought in for one specific task and that was to administer their predetermined punishment on the BTC. At least now that he is leaving he may avoid having to issue punishment on those who brought him in to start with. Goodbye Vincie, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Another guy on pzj timeline saying he has email from spfl saying they are also waiting for EU investigation to finish. If the EU investigation goes to full investigation then the sfa and spfl should start theirs immediately but because it's the scum they will drag their heels like fuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabawsa 888 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Another guy on pzj timeline saying he has email from spfl saying they are also waiting for EU investigation to finish. If the EU investigation goes to full investigation then the sfa and spfl should start theirs immediately but because it's the scum they will drag their heels like fuckI am sure Hot Rod will be on it right now , as we speak...collating the paperwork etc.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
choochooblue 342 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I am sure Hot Rod will be on it right now , as we speak...collating the paperwork etc..As long as he's not doing it whilst driving!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettertogether 381 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Margaret Margaret ‘Did Celtic tell you they were meeting the EU delegation the day after the WSHA meeting?’Posted by footballtaxhavens ⋅ June 19, 2014⋅ Leave a commentFiled Under Celtic FC, EU State Aid, Margaret Curran, West of Scotland Housing AssociationAs we saw before, Celtic pulled Margaret Curran, Shadow Secretary State Scotland, into both of their meetings with the West of Scotland Housing Association (WSHA) (see previous post).The second meeting was held on 23rd October 2013.And who were Celtic meeting on the 24th October 2013? According to informed sources they were meeting the EU delegation to discuss the EU State Aid case against them.Now did Margaret Curran know that there was an EU State Aid case against them in October 2013 related to GCC land deals when she started helping Celtic with ‘finding a solution to their impasse’ with the WSHA land deal? Did Celtic warn her what she was stepping into the day before meeting the EU? Did she or her advisers check before she stepped into a minefield?Was Margaret Curran also brought by Celtic to the EU meeting? If asked would Margaret have gone or would she have thought she was overstepping the mark?‘Margaret, Margaret ……..’ Can you find your way out of the minefield?Thanks to the VB guys for this nugget.©footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com Jonok 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCPRANGERS1 2,997 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Check the latest today on the tax havens blog, land registry for Celtic park shown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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