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Having just won Shanghai, Federer is now on a 5 match win streak against Nadal, matching Nadal's best streak against him.

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He dictated the match with massive serve and return. He had Nadal 15ft behind the baseline receiving serve. Was able to throw in some serve and volley with surprise slower serves and he was on top of the net before Nadal even struck the ball. The amazing thing is how Roger is able to be so close to the baseline, cutting off Nadal's angles and topspin. He is half volleying so many returns, it is incredible.  Mac use to do some of this but not with this power and accuracy.

   Yet when you say this is peak Federer,, you get the reply that he is 36 and was so much much better at 26. Was he?  His serve is as good as ever., returning awesome. Watch his overheads. That is the first thing that starts to go with age. He has as much power as ever and you never ever see him tired....not even out of breath.  You just cannot run around backhands and then cover open court against this years Nadal, unless you are playing at peak. Nobody can do that, except Roger.....GOAT!

   

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16 hours ago, Orange Persson said:

He dictated the match with massive serve and return. He had Nadal 15ft behind the baseline receiving serve. Was able to throw in some serve and volley with surprise slower serves and he was on top of the net before Nadal even struck the ball. The amazing thing is how Roger is able to be so close to the baseline, cutting off Nadal's angles and topspin. He is half volleying so many returns, it is incredible.  Mac use to do some of this but not with this power and accuracy.

   Yet when you say this is peak Federer,, you get the reply that he is 36 and was so much much better at 26. Was he?  His serve is as good as ever., returning awesome. Watch his overheads. That is the first thing that starts to go with age. He has as much power as ever and you never ever see him tired....not even out of breath.  You just cannot run around backhands and then cover open court against this years Nadal, unless you are playing at peak. Nobody can do that, except Roger.....GOAT!

   

He did go 92-5 in 2006 tbf...

44-4 at 36 is still ridiculous though.

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Yeah Federer's playing great tennis but in considering when he's at his best you can't ignore the fact that he skipped half the season.

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Yes guys, good points. We have the other 3 main men coming back too. With Nick and Zverev  big threats now, men's tennis keeps on giving.

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5 minutes ago, Orange Persson said:

Yes guys, good points. We have the other 3 main men coming back too. With Nick and Zverev  big threats now, men's tennis keeps on giving.

Kyrgios? :lol: 

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57 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

Kyrgios? :lol: 

Fabulous player. Every shot in the book. Incredible game.   Capable of beating any of the top 6.  Has beaten Zverev and Nadal recently. May never be a Slam winner but can beat a Slam winner on his day. Would pay money to watch him.

If he can get a Shamen to sort his head out  and mature , he is capable of big wins.      Forgot to mention Thiem as well

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Where will murray and djokovic roughly be in the rankings come january if they are taking rest of season off does anyone know? 

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2 hours ago, Creampuff said:

Yeah Federer's playing great tennis but in considering when he's at his best you can't ignore the fact that he skipped half the season.

Also can't forget he hasn't had Murray and Djok to compete with for like half the season.

Probably wouldn't have made a difference though :lol:

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Although it's very valid to mention Fed only played half a season this year and it's also valid to say many parts of his game is as good and even better(serve) than 2006, you must also factor in his age and opponents in both years.

in 2006 the men's division was far weaker, in my view, you just need to look at who he played in the finals to see this. Federer played 16 finals that season winning 12.

Defeated Monfils, Baghdatis, Blake twice , Ljubicic, Berdych, Gasquet, Roddick, Henman and Gonzalez twice.  The only real opponent that year was Nadal, who he met in 5 finals, losing 4. James Blake finished 4th in the world that year...

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I think Federer's ceiling in 2006 (and before) was higher than now (higher than anybody's ever, probably), but one thing that it's easy to forget about his early to mid peak was how bad his concentration could be. He would play absolutely astonishing, transcendent tennis, bagelling elite opposition, and then let his opponent back into the match. This happened a LOT, probably the best example being the 2004 US Open final, when he got taken to a tiebreak by Hewitt in the second set, between two bagels. He still lets opponents back into matches now, of course, but not usually when he's absolutely mauling them. And this year, especially, he seems to have ice in his veins. All of the moments in a match where he would lose his nerve over the last 7 or 8 years, he is coming through them this year. Even and especially against Nadal.

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1 hour ago, JamieD said:

I think Federer's ceiling in 2006 (and before) was higher than now (higher than anybody's ever, probably), but one thing that it's easy to forget about his early to mid peak was how bad his concentration could be. He would play absolutely astonishing, transcendent tennis, bagelling elite opposition, and then let his opponent back into the match. This happened a LOT, probably the best example being the 2004 US Open final, when he got taken to a tiebreak by Hewitt in the second set, between two bagels. He still lets opponents back into matches now, of course, but not usually when he's absolutely mauling them. And this year, especially, he seems to have ice in his veins. All of the moments in a match where he would lose his nerve over the last 7 or 8 years, he is coming through them this year. Even and especially against Nadal.

He is playing beautifully, cannot disagree. 

Its been about 5-6 years since the “big 4” have all been fit at the same time. 

I’d actually fling wawrinka in the mix now, when, if he at it.

to me, Novak will come back and rip it up, Andy will be Andy, he’ll come close and possibly win another slam, Rafa and Roger over the next 12-18 months could struggle, but might win 1each, their still incredible players.

the young guns look the part, but they still have a fucking big mountain to climb.

imo of course.

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