Ally included in celebrations?

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

We wouldn't have anywhere near the shortfall in the accounts if Ally had fucked off without taking every penny he could get his hands on. 

 

[The Dude 20,026]

57 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

surely this super duper rangers through and through man that is ally "i got loads of penny shares and an obscene wage for fuck all" mccoist would have taken any settlement instead of coincidentally accepting one right before he got a gig on BT sports

If money is his God/he's greedy as fuck, as we keep being told, why would he walk away from a £80k p/m gig with months to run on his deal for a few one off shots on BT Sports for a few hundred quid? Doesn't really make any sense at all. 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

1 hour ago, Johnstone Burgh said:

When will you accept he made a complete arse of 'the journey' which resulted in us finishing 3rd in the second tier of Scotland and failing to get promoted to the Premiership? Nobody is blaming him for the fact we ended up where we did, it's more to do with the utterly shocking job he did after that, and despite all the off-field nonsense, you can't blame that on our abject style of play, the baffling signings and the completely unnecessary amount of money we spent trying (and failing) to get back to where we were.

For him to then spend months taking absurd amounts of money out of the club whilst we required loans to keep the lights on was an absolute disgrace for a 'real Rangers man'.

From a purely footballing perspective, Warburton has put his entire reign to shame in just 9 months. It's about time you gave up on defending him, it's pathetic. 

What's pathetic is making no allowances for what he did - under the worst possible circumstances and when all round about him were either bailing out or crooks - we are angry and our shame is that we turned that anger on Ally and not those who deserved it - and that is fuckng pathetic 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

1 hour ago, Fabric said:

Ally could've jumped sooner and let someone steer us through the mess. If he was doing that job for say 4000 a week he would've left sooner but greed kept him going. Who's fault was it that we never got up throo the championship at the first attempt? 

It's that stupidity of allowing yourself to believe money was his only motivator that is rank rotten. 

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,137]

2 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

What's pathetic is making no allowances for what he did - under the worst possible circumstances and when all round about him were either bailing out or crooks - we are angry and our shame is that we turned that anger on Ally and not those who deserved it - and that is fuckng pathetic 

Do you not think that he possibly contributed to our circumstances? What if he had seen us through a few more European games, he had a capable squad but blew it, and if he had managed to do the job maybe plotless Whyte would have had some money to pay HMRC, which in turn might just have allowed us to stay in administration and playing in the top league.

[bluewhitevanman 1,619]

4 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

It's that stupidity of allowing yourself to believe money was his only motivator that is rank rotten. 

We still talking about money bags? Move on. He is a greedy bastard end of. U must be ally since u know that much. What did wee lenny smell like when u were cuddling him??

[Vwbear 399]

Poor ally 

[folkestoneger 8,134]

4 minutes ago, Vwbear said:

Poor ally 

Poor is the one thing he is most certainly not

[bluewhitevanman 1,619]

6 minutes ago, Vwbear said:

Poor ally 

Poor ally that could buy and sell u bud?

[The Dude 20,026]

49 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Do you not think that he possibly contributed to our circumstances? What if he had seen us through a few more European games, he had a capable squad but blew it, and if he had managed to do the job maybe plotless Whyte would have had some money to pay HMRC, which in turn might just have allowed us to stay in administration and playing in the top league.

I can't help thinking Whyte and co would have found another way of making that cash disappear. Liquidation was their end goal imo Buy the club for a quid. Go into admin, stiff ticketus for their cash, buy the assets on the cheap and newco. Whyte could have had Bill Gates fortune at his disposal and wouldn't have paid off HMRC. 

 

[Virtuoso 27,180]

Regardless of how the Ally appeasers dress it up, he ultimately failed when he needed to prove himself.

He took us from division 3 with a premier league team and budget (that other clubs and managers can only dream of) but yet we struggled against butchers / bakers and candlestick makers who having just come off night shift were outplaying us and subsequently cost us promotion. That is unacceptable and sole blame lies at Allys door, not with McDowall or McCall.

His subsequent behaviour and position as Percy Thrower is a separate issue.

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,137]

5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

I can't help thinking Whyte and co would have found another way of making that cash disappear. Liquidation was their end goal imo Buy the club for a quid. Go into admin, stiff ticketus for their cash, buy the assets on the cheap and newco. Whyte could have had Bill Gates fortune at his disposal and wouldn't have paid off HMRC. 

 

I'm just speculating m8.. What ifs and all that, but knowing the Shytes form your probably right

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, ritchieshearercaldow said:

I'm just speculating m8.. What ifs and all that, but knowing the Shytes form your probably right

The trial is going to be very uncomfortable in all honesty and I've a feeling that opinions will change re: certain people when everything's out in the open. 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

1 hour ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Do you not think that he possibly contributed to our circumstances? What if he had seen us through a few more European games, he had a capable squad but blew it, and if he had managed to do the job maybe plotless Whyte would have had some money to pay HMRC, which in turn might just have allowed us to stay in administration and playing in the top league.

  that's just warped - Whyte was raping us no matter what we did! 

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,137]

2 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

  that's just warped - Whyte was raping us no matter what we did! 

Not as warped as trying to defend failure 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

If money is his God/he's greedy as fuck, as we keep being told, why would he walk away from a £80k p/m gig with months to run on his deal for a few one off shots on BT Sports for a few hundred quid? Doesn't really make any sense at all. 

so your privvy to his contract with BT now are you?

[ianferguson 2,619]

1 hour ago, Bluepeter9 said:

What's pathetic is making no allowances for what he did - under the worst possible circumstances and when all round about him were either bailing out or crooks - we are angry and our shame is that we turned that anger on Ally and not those who deserved it - and that is fuckng pathetic 

The only shame here is that Ally took money from his own .Money he hadn't earned and from people who didn't owe him it or even have it , namely the NEW board and the FANS. He could've walked away with his head held high after making MANY honest mistakes  but the truth is he couldn't resist the easy money and sadly he's now paying the price for his greed. Initially he may have been justified in having his contract honoured, but once the NEW board gained control and the rats moved out he should have accepted Kings invite and settled .

[The Dude 20,026]

11 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

so your privvy to his contract with BT now are you?

Why would I need to be? He isn't a "regular" and won't have a contract with them (unlike Savage, Owen, Collymore etc) He'll be working on a freelance basis with them and will receive a match fee. He could work two games a week every week for a month and would be lucky to cover any more than 10% of his salary here. 

[The Dude 20,026]

37 minutes ago, Virtuoso said:

Regardless of how the Ally appeasers dress it up, he ultimately failed when he needed to prove himself.

He took us from division 3 with a premier league team and budget (that other clubs and managers can only dream of) but yet we struggled against butchers / bakers and candlestick makers who having just come off night shift were outplaying us and subsequently cost us promotion. That is unacceptable and sole blame lies at Allys door, not with McDowall or McCall.

His subsequent behaviour and position as Percy Thrower is a separate issue.

Who were the butcher, bakers and candlestick makers who cost us promotion? Most of the championship teams are full time. Hearts, Hibs, Falkirk, QOTS, Livi & Raith are all full time. Cowden, Alloa and Dumbarton (maybe) are the only part time clubs. 

Why was it McCoist's fault that McCall bottled it in the playoff? Would McCoist have got the credit had we been promoted instead?

[Vwbear 399]

1 hour ago, Fabric said:

Poor ally that could buy and sell u bud?

If he seen how bad i was he probably would buy me 

[bluewhitevanman 1,619]

5 minutes ago, Vwbear said:

If he seen how bad i was he probably would buy me 

Do u weigh 18 stone played for rangers before and like loads and loads of money?

[JograBear 1,074]

Why would a completely clueless ex manager want to join the celebrations? He has nothing to do with our success now. I hope he stays away from the celebrations. Cant stand him and his clueless money grabbing ways.

[siddiqi_drinker 14,635]

10 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said:

what lets 'us' down badly is the way some turned against one of our own and the vitriol spewed about him in threads like this. If you have another genetic phrase that sums up those in that 'hating' collective I happy to use that?

How about not resorting to name calling, no matter your opinion of 'the collective'.  Of course,  I feel sure a man of your intelligence knows  that was my original point.  Ergo no need for a 'genetic phrase'.

 

[DavieMacRFC 850]

Will always be welcome in my book.

Done more for Rangers than most yet is lambasted and made unwelcome by some in the same way the traitors like naismith and lafferty are???

 

He failed miserably as a manager but no one really knows the financial gain and circumstances surrounding his situation and he has never came out and told his story (maybe protecting someone or the club, time will tell) but for me he is and always will be a Rangers Legend.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

He took money he was entitled too, from an employer that could afford to pay him.

Aye, right.