Hats off to Paul Murray

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Willis said:

No one complained about the board not sacking Ally?

There's the other myth that the boycotters love. The myth that all of us who wanted Ally sacked or the myth that those against the boycott were fans of the board at the time

Keep twisting things to suit your narrative. Meanwhile the tims are miles ahead with the board ddishing out haun relief to our enemies.

I've not said either of those. When fans were demanding McCoist was sacked there were very few who put any blame for him still being in situ on the board. They could have sacked him and chose not to at any point. Christ, they put him on gardening leave rather than bin him.

Nothing to do with them being fans of the board. I've not said a thing about them being fans of the board. Genuinely baffled where you plucked that one from and then claim I'm twisting things to suit my narrative.

[KingKirk 25,633]

Everyone takes some blame but the board takes the majority Imo cheap as chips mentality has fucked us. Sure the manager signs the players but he doesn't have much options in the market we shop in.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

59 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Our back four had two freebies in it last time we won the title. And one was Kirk Broadfoot ffs

wrong, broadfoot made 8 league starts that season, whittaker at the cost of 2mill made 36, infact broadfoot only made 12 starts that full season in all comps, so our defence that year actually cost in the region of 5mill quid and contained a regular 4 players that 3 were current consistent internationalists and 1 was a regular until retirement the year before

55 minutes ago, ianferguson said:

Sheeps defenders cost fuc* all , we've got the Rangers,Hearts and QPR captains in our back 4.

so, one thing rangers always did was spend money on a backline, go back to any era and our backline cost money, there's a reason why wilson came back to scotland with tail between legs, why hill didnt get any offers down south, why wallace is still here, why tav came up here, they arent that good, they will make mistakes and will cost us

[The Dude 20,026]

5 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

wrong, broadfoot made 8 league starts that season, whittaker at the cost of 2mill made 36, infact broadfoot only made 12 starts that full season in all comps, so our defence that year actually cost in the region of 5mill quid and contained a regular 4 players that 3 were current consistent internationalists and 1 was a regular until retirement the year before

so, one thing rangers always did was spend money on a backline, go back to any era and our backline cost money, there's a reason why wilson came back to scotland with tail between legs, why hill didnt get any offers down south, why wallace is still here, why tav came up here, they arent that good, they will make mistakes and will cost us

Whittaker spent long spells of that season in midfield ahead of KB or Ricky Foster (23 league appearances between them)

[The Dude 20,026]

7 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

wrong, broadfoot made 8 league starts that season, whittaker at the cost of 2mill made 36, infact broadfoot only made 12 starts that full season in all comps, so our defence that year actually cost in the region of 5mill quid and contained a regular 4 players that 3 were current consistent internationalists and 1 was a regular until retirement the year before

so, one thing rangers always did was spend money on a backline, go back to any era and our backline cost money, there's a reason why wilson came back to scotland with tail between legs, why hill didnt get any offers down south, why wallace is still here, why tav came up here, they arent that good, they will make mistakes and will cost us

Surely you can make that argument for any footballer who comes to Scotland. Why Scott Sinclair didnt have offers down south or why Andy Halliday came back with his tail between his legs etc...

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Whittaker spent long spells of that season in midfield ahead of KB or Ricky Foster (23 league appearances between them)

even if you include broadfoot in the backline, our defence back then was way more experienced, much better, cost more, played better etc etc

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

Just now, The Dude said:

Surely you can make that argument for any footballer who comes to Scotland. Why Scott Sinclair didnt have offers down south or why Andy Halliday came back with his tail between his legs etc...

if we want to talk about our midfield then aye, thought we were discussing our defence, halliday probably isnt good enough for where we want to be, however he looks much better the now because he's showing fight and spirit,

fuck knows the relevance of sinclair given he had CL football and still a hefty pay packet on offer from the tarriers no doubt,

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

even if you include broadfoot in the backline, our defence back then was way more experienced, much better, cost more, played better etc etc

But still included the same freebies that are a problem now

Broadfoot had more experience than Tav? KB had played for St. Mirren and St. Mirren. Tav had played in the Europa Leauge for Newcastle, played for Leeds and had Championship experience. Whittaker had played for Hibs.

Clint Hill fought in two world wars/Davie Weir fought in two world Wars.

Was Papac anymore experienced than Wallace is now?

Bougherra was fairly experienced, anymore than Wilson? Playing CL football at 17 for us, moving to Liverpool, ex-Hearts captain, international

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

if we want to talk about our midfield then aye, thought we were discussing our defence, halliday probably isnt good enough for where we want to be, however he looks much better the now because he's showing fight and spirit,

fuck knows the relevance of sinclair given he had CL football and still a hefty pay packet on offer from the tarriers no doubt,

Why didn't he have decent offers down south? Can't be very good.

[B1872 20,711]

4 hours ago, Prso's headband said:

 

He's spot on.

Wool pulled over our eyes for months. 

Nonsense! Is it the board who can't defend? Or who won't change tactics? Has no plan B? Has bought absolute dross? 

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

3 hours ago, In walter we trust said:

We bought two blue chip players to win us games , ones larking about in England and the other is blowing out his are. Bucks stops with the manager who looks to have completely underestimated the league and bought the wrong players.

David Weir should shoulder some of that blame

[Moody Blue Legend 61,463]

4 hours ago, The Godfather said:

OP's a banger but the board are as to blame as anyone for the shambles we find ourselves in.

 

Op loves the club as much as you and me mate. 

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Has anyone ever worked out what exactly Paul Murray does for the club?

 

[Prso's headband 35,445]

25 minutes ago, B1872 said:

Nonsense! Is it the board who can't defend? Or who won't change tactics? Has no plan B? Has bought absolute dross? 

It's the board who don't spend. We've spent less in 2 year than the tarriers spent on Sinclair That is unfortunately the difference

[B1872 20,711]

Just now, Prso's headband said:

It's the board who don't spend. We've spent less in 2 year than the tarriers spent on Sinclair That is unfortunately the difference

What is the net spend of us and the tarriers? I don't think for one second that Mark Warburton doesn't get the final say in transfers.

[B1872 20,711]

15 minutes ago, Moody Blue Legend said:

Op loves the club as much as you and me mate. 

No I think he loves Mike Ashley more.

[The Dude 20,026]

24 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:

It's the board who don't spend. We've spent less in 2 year than the tarriers spent on Sinclair That is unfortunately the difference

And we've spent more this year than the other 10 clubs combined. Who do we blame against those teams? You know, like Ross County or Kilmarnock or Hamilton...

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

50 minutes ago, The Dude said:

But still included the same freebies that are a problem now

Broadfoot had more experience than Tav? KB had played for St. Mirren and St. Mirren. Tav had played in the Europa Leauge for Newcastle, played for Leeds and had Championship experience. Whittaker had played for Hibs.

Clint Hill fought in two world wars/Davie Weir fought in two world Wars.

Was Papac anymore experienced than Wallace is now?

Bougherra was fairly experienced, anymore than Wilson? Playing CL football at 17 for us, moving to Liverpool, ex-Hearts captain, international

again though, broadfoot only made 8 starts that season in the league, 12 overall, he was a back up player, everyone knew that, tav is our first choice right back and has been suspect for over a year defensively now, if tav, with the record he has as you posted, was any good he wouldnt be here, there's a reason why the wigan team that were aiming for first time promotion last season let him go to us, same for waghorn

clint hill and davie weir, at least weir knew the scottish game and was way more experienced given his international career, the closest hill ever got to a cap was when he messed about with the FM editor one year on his laptop

papac retired from international duty with 39 caps, wallace has 8, its arguable i suppose but looking at their careers you'd have to say papac was more experienced

yes bougherra was much more experienced, wilson played the CL at 17, big deal, kyle hutton has as well, so did darren cole, fact is wilson spent years in the wilderness with liverpool then came crawling back to scotland to play for hearts, while at liverpool including his loan deals he made 35 appearances in 4 years, at a crucial devlopment time as well

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

They could have sacked him and chose not to at any point. Christ, they put him on gardening leave rather than bin him.

 

you know they couldnt afford to

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

you know they couldnt afford to

But they could afford to pay his contract up in full.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,540]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Why didn't he have decent offers down south? Can't be very good.

not good enough for down south aye, i agree, however he was still valued in the millions, villa still knew they could command a hefty fee for a scottish club to pay, if he didnt sell they would have kept him

as we have seen before with the likes of davis etc, they might not be good enough for regular english games down south, but if they are good enough to command a 7 figure fee then they will likely be miles ahead of the dross in scottish football

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

4 hours ago, The Dude said:

Our net transfer spend this summer was higher than Celtic's

Is it?

Who did they sell for decent money?

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

not good enough for down south aye, i agree, however he was still valued in the millions, villa still knew they could command a hefty fee for a scottish club to pay, if he didnt sell they would have kept him

as we have seen before with the likes of davis etc, they might not be good enough for regular english games down south, but if they are good enough to command a 7 figure fee then they will likely be miles ahead of the dross in scottish football

and that makes them any better as players than Tavernier or Waghorn? Didn't Waghorn command a seven figure fee not that long ago? I genuinely don't get the point you were trying to make about Tav having no other offers etc..

[HG5 11,112]

2 hours ago, The Dude said:

Our back four had two freebies in it last time we won the title. And one was Kirk Broadfoot ffs

Maybe someone earlier was better at the free transfer market than our current expert at bargain hunting....

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Is it?

Who did they sell for decent money?

Scepovic and Johanssen. Fisher was undisclosed as was Kazim-Richards