Police Scotland confirm received report into historic child abuse within football

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

9 hours ago, eejay the dj said:

I'm of the opinion . The gestapo could easily get involved here .

They choose not to because  , there have been people within their double standard establishment .At the top clearly who have been involved . At some point in history .

Politically , there is no appetite to chase after this bheastly club as we know they are now aligned to the Snp .

This City is now run by them so it stands to reason . They will have everyone doing their best to continue the cover up or make all this media attention go away

End of the day, if a cover-up hadn’t have happened, some kids would of been spared sexual abuse. This boys club,nothing to do with us nonsense, is masking this fact a bit. It’s now not defended that Stein knew and did indeed not report it, it’s also common sense that he wouldn’t be the only cfc employee that would of known what that animal was doing. Parkhead should have crime tape wrapped around it and leading detectives from down south being the only people allowed access.

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

So how has speirs article in the Times came across ,that he  carefully worded last night on Twitter 

[SpidermansGaffer 2,552]

Here's the Spiers piece (hidden 3 articles down under the articles about McLeish & Collum.

The guy is s total fucking scumbag.

celtic need to reach out and offer help to victims of Torbett
It has been an atrocious and embarrassing week for celtic FC. The horrors of the Jim Torbett case, and the cruelties he inflicted on young footballers at the celtic Boys Club three decades ago, are scarcely worth repeating here. Suffice to say, with Torbett sent down for a second time, may further justice be delivered.

celtic, I believe, need to show more compassion for the victims. It doesn’t seem appropriate to argue, as the club repeatedly has, that the boys club was a separate legal entity to celtic FC. Clearly, in so many other ways — cultural, social, financial and more — there was an association between the two. celtic, at the very least, should be reaching out to the victims and offering as much assistance as possible, including financial compensation.

Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

celtic FC today are paying a heavy price for that terrible negligence of 30-plus years ago. It should never have been allowed to happen, and yet, as in most of these sex crimes against young people in football, they occurred because the monsters at the heart of it all were somehow tolerated. A despicable negligence around celtic back then allowed Torbett to pursue his agenda.

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

4 minutes ago, BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT said:

So how has speirs article in the Times came across ,that he  carefully worded last night on Twitter 

Only seen one comment so far, must of mentioned point scoring. No surprise it was a scum minded fan that wrote the comment. It will be worded for a damage limitation exercise. The kids being abused is not his motive for whatever he wrote, think there could be no doubt in that.

”Just read your column. Agree celtic need to show leadership and ignore point scoring reptiles. On McLeish he is a dinosaur who is serial failure. Sacked last 8 jobs. Tax cheat and incoherent ramblings. Hope we lose to get him out.”

[Colin Traive 22,741]

3 hours ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

Well written article from Micheal Grant at The Times

 

 

celtic left with questions to answer

November 9 2018, 12:01am,

Michael Grant

Reaction to sex abuse scandal and attempt to distance itself from boys club is not a good look, writes Michael Grant

Maybe there is no “right” thing a football club can ever say to really comfort and satisfy the victims of sexual abuse for which it bears some responsibility. Perhaps there is no form of words, no soundbites, which could ever make even a dent on the righteous pain and anger felt by young boys who were abused and the families who saw their loved ones broken and damaged.

Football is overburdened by slick public relations teams and, at least at many of the bigger clubs, their default setting for awkward issues is to obstruct, frustrate and say little or nothing. When the same shutdown mentality is applied to far more serious issues, and they don’t come any graver than systematic sexual abuse of young boys by a coach, it can leave a club looking cold, uncaring and defensive. It doesn’t look good.

On Monday the founder of celtic Boys Club, the feeder organisation which has been inextricably linked with celtic for more than four decades, was jailed for the second time for sexually abusing boys at the club. Jim Torbett’s timeline is staggering and grotesque. He founded the boys club in 1966 and left eight years later when claims first emerged about what he was doing with some of the boys. Jock Stein — who was simultaneously manager of celtic and honorary life president of celtic Boys Club — was said to have personally intervened to get Torbett out.

celtic said nothing when Torbett was jailed for the second time on Monday.

No-one alerted the police. Worse — indefensibly, unforgivably — Torbett returned to a role with the boys club some time around 1980 and stayed there for another 16 years during which he resumed the sexual abuse. Finally a tabloid newspaper broke the allegations about him in 1996 and two years later he was jailed for two years. When further victims came forward in the aftermath of the nationwide football sexual abuse scandal two years ago, Torbett, now 71, was tracked down to America and brought back to face fresh charges. On Monday he was jailed again for six years.

The focus has now turned on celtic and the club has reacted like a rabbit in the headlights. When Torbett was sentenced on Monday celtic said nothing. On Tuesday, still silence, even as victims and their representatives began calling them out for a response. Finally, on Wednesday, an unattributed statement was released expressing sympathy and “deep regret” but conspicuously failing to offer an apology, perhaps because to do so would amount to an admission of responsibility and liability ahead of potential legal action. The statement acknowledged celtic’s “historic connections” with celtic Boys Club but repeated a familiar assertion that it was an entirely separate organisation.

That does not wash with the victims’ experience. When Torbett established the boys club he sought and was given approval by Stein and the celtic chairman at the time, Robert Kelly, to use celtic’s name and colours. The two clubs’ crests are almost identical. The boys club had regular access to celtic Park and its pitch rentals were said to have been paid by celtic. Torbett was a business partner of two celtic directors. BBC Scotland this week ran grainy footage of an early 1970s boys club prizegiving in which Stein and the then captain, Billy McNeill, handed out trophies while Torbett stood a few feet away announcing the recipients. It made a shiver run up the spine.

Stein, above, was said to haver personally intervened to get Torbett out in the 1970s

Patrick McGuire, a lawyer for some of the victims, has emerged as a vocal thorn in celtic’s side. He has described the attempt to put distance between celtic and the boys club as “simply nonsense”. The statement was insipid, he said, calling for celtic to meet him and discuss compensation on the victims’ behalf.

“Today we speak to every director personally, we ask them to look at themselves in the mirror and to face up to their moral responsibilities but, more than that, their legal obligations, that is to sit down with me as the representative of my own clients and to begin the negotiations immediately to ensure that those clients see the financial justice to which they are entitled.

“We’re giving them the chance to do the right thing, we’re asking them to face up to their legal responsibility, but there is a very clear legal obligation underscoring that. Absolutely, 100 per cent, if they do not come to the table, if they do not do the right thing, they will be facing us across the courtroom.”

McGuire says he has evidence which contradicts celtic’s claim that they learned about Torbett’s behaviour only in the 1990s. Torbett has gone through two trials and yet so many questions remain. If he was booted out in 1974 why did no one go to the police (even if innuendo and rumours were less likely to be acted upon then than now)? Who made the first contact before he rejoined the boys club in 1980? Why didn’t Stein, who had left celtic by then, intervene to warn his former club?

It defies belief that Stein kicked him out over the accusations yet no one else at celtic was aware of them when Torbett returned only five or six years later and started abusing again. How could the boys club let him back in? At the first trial in 1998 the former boys club chairman, Hugh Birt, said in court that he tried to block his return and warned people at celtic about him (ie around 1980). Yet this week’s celtic statement said the club became aware of allegations only in the 1990s and surviving celtic board members from the time say they did not know about Torbett when he came back.

A spokesperson for the survivors’ group White Flowers Alba said: “Is this how a family club should behave? It’s morally repugnant.” Victim and former reserve player Kenny Campbell, whose court testimony helped put Torbett away, said he felt ignored by celtic.

This is deeply damaging for celtic given how seriously it takes its social responsibility. The celtic board is now entirely different from what it was in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s but its predecessors have landed the current directors with an almighty problem. It looks awful to be on the back foot and defensive against an array of upset and angry sexual abuse victims accusing them of not saying sorry, not accepting responsibility and not doing the right thing.

Contesting their claims in court, to limit or avoid compensation, will look far, far worse.

Good article, pretty thorough. Only minor disappointment is that he’s not moved it on to potential consequences, sanctions etc but it’s a start.

Absolutely no reason for this subject to be treated like radioactive uranium by the Scottish media any more.

[Ibroxholm 2,276]

9 minutes ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

Here's the Spiers piece (hidden 3 articles down under the articles about McLeish & Collum.

The guy is s total fucking scumbag.

celtic need to reach out and offer help to victims of Torbett
It has been an atrocious and embarrassing week for celtic FC. The horrors of the Jim Torbett case, and the cruelties he inflicted on young footballers at the celtic Boys Club three decades ago, are scarcely worth repeating here. Suffice to say, with Torbett sent down for a second time, may further justice be delivered.

celtic, I believe, need to show more compassion for the victims. It doesn’t seem appropriate to argue, as the club repeatedly has, that the boys club was a separate legal entity to celtic FC. Clearly, in so many other ways — cultural, social, financial and more — there was an association between the two. celtic, at the very least, should be reaching out to the victims and offering as much assistance as possible, including financial compensation.

Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

celtic FC today are paying a heavy price for that terrible negligence of 30-plus years ago. It should never have been allowed to happen, and yet, as in most of these sex crimes against young people in football, they occurred because the monsters at the heart of it all were somehow tolerated. A despicable negligence around celtic back then allowed Torbett to pursue his agenda.

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

Spiers really is a piece of work.

[hawkeye 1,039]

20 minutes ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

Spiers  could not resist mentioning us he  really is one fucked up individual.

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

23 minutes ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

Here's the Spiers piece (hidden 3 articles down under the articles about McLeish & Collum.

The guy is s total fucking scumbag.

celtic need to reach out and offer help to victims of Torbett
It has been an atrocious and embarrassing week for celtic FC. The horrors of the Jim Torbett case, and the cruelties he inflicted on young footballers at the celtic Boys Club three decades ago, are scarcely worth repeating here. Suffice to say, with Torbett sent down for a second time, may further justice be delivered.

celtic, I believe, need to show more compassion for the victims. It doesn’t seem appropriate to argue, as the club repeatedly has, that the boys club was a separate legal entity to celtic FC. Clearly, in so many other ways — cultural, social, financial and more — there was an association between the two. celtic, at the very least, should be reaching out to the victims and offering as much assistance as possible, including financial compensation.

Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

celtic FC today are paying a heavy price for that terrible negligence of 30-plus years ago. It should never have been allowed to happen, and yet, as in most of these sex crimes against young people in football, they occurred because the monsters at the heart of it all were somehow tolerated. A despicable negligence around celtic back then allowed Torbett to pursue his agenda.

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

Honestly, this fanny really doesn't get it.  One of the primary reasons that Torbett is behind bars, others are following and a paedo ring is slowly being exposed is because us "point scorers" kept it in the public conscience.  Sure as fuck, we couldn't have trusted the likes of this so called "professional journalist" to do his job and go after the story.  He knew as much, if not more, than the rest of us so why didn't HE go after the story?  He has to ask himself why he didn't and see if he can he be at peace with his inaction,  given what our "point scoring" has began to lead to.  Would he preferred we stayed quiet?  He's complicit and he knows it...

#proudtobeapointscorer

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

Ignoring his absurd point scoring shite he is not the only one in the media to ask these questions, still unanswered by celtic.

“Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

 Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

[Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,686]

26 minutes ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

Here's the Spiers piece (hidden 3 articles down under the articles about McLeish & Collum.

The guy is s total fucking scumbag.

celtic need to reach out and offer help to victims of Torbett
It has been an atrocious and embarrassing week for celtic FC. The horrors of the Jim Torbett case, and the cruelties he inflicted on young footballers at the celtic Boys Club three decades ago, are scarcely worth repeating here. Suffice to say, with Torbett sent down for a second time, may further justice be delivered.

celtic, I believe, need to show more compassion for the victims. It doesn’t seem appropriate to argue, as the club repeatedly has, that the boys club was a separate legal entity to celtic FC. Clearly, in so many other ways — cultural, social, financial and more — there was an association between the two. celtic, at the very least, should be reaching out to the victims and offering as much assistance as possible, including financial compensation.

Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

celtic FC today are paying a heavy price for that terrible negligence of 30-plus years ago. It should never have been allowed to happen, and yet, as in most of these sex crimes against young people in football, they occurred because the monsters at the heart of it all were somehow tolerated. A despicable negligence around celtic back then allowed Torbett to pursue his agenda.

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

Fuck off ya arsehole. Couldn't resist getting a dig about us in the terrible article.

I wouldn't be shocked if spiers is sympathetic towards torbett and the rest of the abusers for some reason what a pieceof absolute sub human filth. 

[SpidermansGaffer 2,552]

"Supporters of Rangers who were self evidently gleeful at the Torbett case"

Damn right Rangers supporters are going to be 'gleeful' you fucking idiot - we have just had 6/7 years of our own version of hell, whilst the holier than thou unwashed pontificated about how we had committed the worst crime the football world had ever seen. Now the boot is firmly on the other foot & the deeds done by Torbett et al are actually worthy of the word 'crimes'

 

Pass me the fucking popcorn ? 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

59 minutes ago, Jonok said:

Out on the streets all I'm hearing from the bheast support is separate entity, they have turned their backs on their own they are despicable.

That is what we expect from the bheasts though

They have had many years of denial to get used to it . In fact . I have said for long enough . That is why their club went after us with such gusto.

Their support has had years to convince themselves, that their rhancid club was guilty of nothing . Aided and abetted with a beggar loving media  , that refused to even remotely touch the story for decades .

Even now we have corrupt stations like Radio Snyde that won't touch the story . Well with no real debate

This Country stinks to high even of corruption and nepotism . They may find it hard now , to make this one go away

[They Gnu 11,553]

Let’s not forget McNeils interview with the Evening Times “IT WAS AN OPEN SECRET AT PARKHEAD”  the Bheasts all knew Torbertt was a paedo, Stein kicked him out for abuse, Stein moved on and the same people who knew what Torbertt was up to invited him back into celticpark.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

25 minutes ago, Straight-Edge-Loyal said:

Fuck off ya arsehole. Couldn't resist getting a dig about us in the terrible article.

I wouldn't be shocked if spiers is sympathetic towards torbett and the rest of the abusers for some reason what a pieceof absolute sub human filth. 

It's scumbags like him , that have taken it up the arse from this club for decades , while never once being brave enough to do his job and go after this club . 

Everyone in this Country knows . They Covered up Child Abuse and they didn't want any answers

[eejay the dj 31,964]

2 minutes ago, They Gnu said:

Let’s not forget McNeils interview with the Evening Times “IT WAS AN OPEN SECRET AT PARKHEAD”  the Bheasts all knew Torbertt was a paedo, Stein kicked him out for abuse, Stein moved on and the same people who knew what Torbertt was up to invited him back into celticpark.

That seems to have been hidden or hardly mentioned in past few days

[Malkster 4,878]

24 minutes ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

"Supporters of Rangers who were self evidently gleeful at the Torbett case"

Damn right Rangers supporters are going to be 'gleeful' you fucking idiot - we have just had 6/7 years of our own version of hell, whilst the holier than thou unwashed pontificated about how we had committed the worst crime the football world had ever seen. Now the boot is firmly on the other foot & the deeds done by Torbett et al are actually worthy of the word 'crimes'

 

Pass me the fucking popcorn ? 

Him included

[eejay the dj 31,964]

If all this happened , 20 years ago . I honestly think the bheasts  would be in trouble . Big trouble

It's now 2018 and they have all their pawns in favourable high powered places . It will make things a lot easier to hide

[LOL153 No Surrender!!! 1,810]

How many is left of the old board as they are calling it, is there still some alive that could be chased up about this or would it still need to land at scum fc for payments.

Just a thought, as we know they did give torbett money to his business etc, would they even be involved in the abuse as well, it wouldn't seem far fetched the way this is going with them.

[Siam69 26,874]

This sums it all up for me, especially the 'Morally repugnant' quote, both then and now -

McGuire says he has evidence which contradicts celtic’s claim that they learned about Torbett’s behaviour only in the 1990s. Torbett has gone through two trials and yet so many questions remain. If he was booted out in 1974 why did no one go to the police (even if innuendo and rumours were less likely to be acted upon then than now)? Who made the first contact before he rejoined the boys club in 1980? Why didn’t Stein, who had left celtic by then, intervene to warn his former club?

It defies belief that Stein kicked him out over the accusations yet no one else at celtic was aware of them when Torbett returned only five or six years later and started abusing again. How could the boys club let him back in? At the first trial in 1998 the former boys club chairman, Hugh Birt, said in court that he tried to block his return and warned people at celtic about him (ie around 1980). Yet this week’s celtic statement said the club became aware of allegations only in the 1990s and surviving celtic board members from the time say they did not know about Torbett when he came back.

A spokesperson for the survivors’ group White Flowers Alba said: “Is this how a family club should behave? It’s morally repugnant.” Victim and former reserve player Kenny Campbell, whose court testimony helped put Torbett away, said he felt ignored by celtic.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

Have the SFA or the Government got anything to say about this scandal ?...............................................................................

ahem . I will not hold my breath

[Ibroxholm 2,276]

20 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

Honestly, this fanny really doesn't get it.  One of the primary reasons that Torbett is behind bars, others are following and a paedo ring is slowly being exposed is because us "point scorers" kept it in the public conscience.  Sure as fuck, we couldn't have trusted the likes of this so called "professional journalist" to do his job and go after the story.  He knew as much, if not more, than the rest of us so why didn't HE go after the story?  He has to ask himself why he didn't and see if he can he be at peace with his inaction,  given what our "point scoring" has began to lead to.  Would he preferred we stayed quiet?  He's complicit and he knows it...

#proudtobeapointscorer

Oh, he fully gets it.   Don’t confuse his deception tactics with ignorance.  He’s not stupid, he knows what he’s doing and he has been using the same tactic for decades.  ‘Point scoring’ is the standard deflection narrative for those complicit in the cover up like Spiers.  Ultimate purpose of the tactic is to paint the ‘point scorers’ as reprehensible (or even worse) as the perpetrators of the abuse so that their words are ignored in the public arena.  The strongest words, he uses in his article are ‘stomach-churning’, look who they are directed at.  The other tactic is to falsely link the ‘point scorer’ accusations/condemnations with the original crime rather than the five decade cover up.  Don’t let them get away with it, concentrate on the cover up aspect of the crime.  

Point scorer = whistle blower. #proudtobeawhistleblower.

[Bears 792]

The cover-up deniers who claim 'separate identity' should be asked one thing: if it was their kids or even themselves who were abused then would they be happy there was a cover-up or would they change their minds?

If yes then is it ok for other people and their kids to suffer it?

If no then they don't belong in society.

They are distancing themselves from the reality of child abuse to strengthen their football allegiance.

The deniers need to be outed.

[Bears r us 30,791]

1 hour ago, SpidermansGaffer said:

Here's the Spiers piece (hidden 3 articles down under the articles about McLeish & Collum.

The guy is s total fucking scumbag.

celtic need to reach out and offer help to victims of Torbett
It has been an atrocious and embarrassing week for celtic FC. The horrors of the Jim Torbett case, and the cruelties he inflicted on young footballers at the celtic Boys Club three decades ago, are scarcely worth repeating here. Suffice to say, with Torbett sent down for a second time, may further justice be delivered.

celtic, I believe, need to show more compassion for the victims. It doesn’t seem appropriate to argue, as the club repeatedly has, that the boys club was a separate legal entity to celtic FC. Clearly, in so many other ways — cultural, social, financial and more — there was an association between the two. celtic, at the very least, should be reaching out to the victims and offering as much assistance as possible, including financial compensation.

Quite apart from the cruelty inflicted by Torbett on these boys — and they now number at least five, with the likelihood being far more — there remains this harrowing question: how was it that the celtic board of the 1980s allowed this man back inside celtic Park to work again, when many were aware of his previous crimes against youngsters in the period between 1966 and 1974?

Torbett was a friend and business associate of at least two celtic directors at the time — Jack McGinn and Kevin Kelly — which makes this case even more uncomfortable for celtic. How on earth was this man accommodated?

celtic FC today are paying a heavy price for that terrible negligence of 30-plus years ago. It should never have been allowed to happen, and yet, as in most of these sex crimes against young people in football, they occurred because the monsters at the heart of it all were somehow tolerated. A despicable negligence around celtic back then allowed Torbett to pursue his agenda.

There was one other highly unfortunate consequence of the celtic Boys Club case this week: the transparent and disgusting antics on Twitter and elsewhere of certain supporters of Rangers and other clubs who were self-evidently gleeful at the Torbett case. Little wonder many chose not to go near social media while this case was being played out: it became a stomach-churning charade of point-scoring. I never thought I would ever see a child-abuse case causing such excitement.

It can assuredly be said once more: Twitter absolutely betrays the darker side of human nature.

Just as many predicted on here last night. 

[Bears 792]

Spiers needs to realise that overall we are celebrating the fact that the common-knowledge abuse of children at celtic for decades ('open secret') is finally being dealt with by the legal system and eventually the media.

While we have known for years about this, the authorities and press (still) have failed to deal with it properly.

We are celebrating that justice is finally being done and if he wants to call that 'point-scoring' then he needs to step back and re-assess his understanding of humanity and how little of it he has.

If we were actually trying to point score then we'd be marching on Hampden, flooding phone-ins and comments boxes and starting up dedicated blogs, never mind taking out full page ads in the foreign press!

So he hasn't noticed that the very ones screaming for our destruction for financial issues have been covering up something so horrific and thus we are happy that the focus of punishment is no longer on us.

If Spiers did justice then he would be embarrassed to try to have a go at us at the moment.

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

1 hour ago, coopsleftboot said:

Honestly, this fanny really doesn't get it.  One of the primary reasons that Torbett is behind bars, others are following and a paedo ring is slowly being exposed is because us "point scorers" kept it in the public conscience.  Sure as fuck, we couldn't have trusted the likes of this so called "professional journalist" to do his job and go after the story.  He knew as much, if not more, than the rest of us so why didn't HE go after the story?  He has to ask himself why he didn't and see if he can he be at peace with his inaction,  given what our "point scoring" has began to lead to.  Would he preferred we stayed quiet?  He's complicit and he knows it...

#proudtobeapointscorer