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6 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

To me, the announcement from them acknowledges the complaints made to UEFA.  I expect they have to follow a chain of procedure and as the SFA have said they are working  with the police to introduce safe guards and assisting them with their enquiries, then UEFA is right to say they trust them.

On the criminal side of matters I can't see what the SFA or UEFA can do at present. it's a police matter, Once guilt of a cover up has been established then the SFA/UEFA can step in with sanctions.

For me that statement merely affords the SFA the scope it needs to sweep it under their big cover up carpet. 

UEFA have unambiguously roman catholic style 'washed their hands of it'.

Fuckers.

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For me that statement merely affords the SFA to sweep it under their big cover up carpet. 

UEFA have unambiguously roman catholic style 'washed their hands of it'.

Fuckers.

How so? It's a police matter until guilt is established. Once that happens  sanctions can be given. I can't see it being swept under the carpet as  celtics pr company can't stop the SMPs asking questions of them 

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2 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

How so? It's a police matter until guilt is established. Once that happens  sanctions can be given. I can't see it being swept under the carpet as  celtics pr company can't stop the SMPs asking questions of them 

Would you care for the official spin from them or what would be their likely unofficial line?

Both would be describing how it would be swept under their big snp fenian cover up carpet.

Get real now.

 

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24 minutes ago, Blueray said:

Would you care for the official spin from them or what would be their likely unofficial line?

Both would be describing how it would be swept under their big snp fenian cover up carpet.

Get real now.

 

It's clear to see that celtic are trying to cover this up , they haven't answered the MSPs questions, they've not said sorry or offered a compensation scheme to the victims, a 2 year secret probe and now they've hired PR specialists to gag the press, but that Tory MSP has said he and others in his party will carry on pursuing this.  I believe a few from the Labour party are also seeking justice for the victims.

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15 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

It's clear to see that celtic are trying to cover this up , they haven't answered the MSPs questions, they've not said sorry or offered a compensation scheme to the victims and now they've hired PR specialists to gag the press, but that Tory MSP has said he and others in his party will carry on pursuing this.  I believe a few from the Labour party are also seeking justice for the victims.

A fair and pragmatic post.

It will take dogged relentless pursuance to keep it newsworthy as there are those who will in stark contrast very actively  seek to keep it from light. 

Its more likely to remain from light than otherwise due to the current occupiers of leftist filth power snp ira scum in my opinion. 

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1 minute ago, Blueray said:

A fair and pragmatic post.

It will take dogged relentless pursuance to keep it newsworthy as there are those who will very actively similarly seek to keep it from light. 

Its more likely to remain from light than otherwise due to the current occupiers of leftist filth power snp ira scum in my opinion. 

I see your point of view but Imho someone at celtic has the same sort of powers that savile had for hushing things up, I can't see Scotland yard letting them brush this under the carpet as all crimes of this type have to be reported to them from uk police forces as part of their operation 

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13 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

I see your point of view but Imho someone at celtic has the same sort of powers that savile had for hushing things up, I can't see Scotland yard letting them brush this under the carpet as all crimes of this type have to be reported to them from uk police forces as part of their operation 

Likewise, i think you deserve due respect in reply.

However, if lets say the ruling scottish government doesn't take kindly to Scotland Yard becoming involved then in the same way  I'm sure Scotland Yard similar to Uefa's response would be that it is has full trust in scotland and its officialdom to investigate matters. Its highly unlikely in my opinion that any authority outwith scotland would wish to involve itself unless otherwise requested. 

I'm very sure that the fenian snp would  robustly reject Scotland Yard or any other outside body for that matter  from investigating alleged fenian child abuse.

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7 hours ago, Sweetheart said:

It's clear to see that celtic are trying to cover this up , they haven't answered the MSPs questions, they've not said sorry or offered a compensation scheme to the victims, a 2 year secret probe and now they've hired PR specialists to gag the press, but that Tory MSP has said he and others in his party will carry on pursuing this.  I believe a few from the Labour party are also seeking justice for the victims.

We all hope you are correct with that S, but I am still sceptical that anything will happen to them from the SFA/SPFL side, but you never know. 

I fear the police are being stopped by the government from investigating those who knew and did nothing, 

I do believe at some point they will have to pay compensation and if it was done through court cases then that would take everything into the open, but again I can see that being done behind closed doors and that will mean it is out of sight to the general public. 

I do hope I am wrong Sweetheart and please keep posting anything that is positive and anything you find to back it up. 👍👍

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Two aspects to the recent posts.

Firstly, UEFA And SFA appear to be focusing on processes and procedures for the future. Laying ground rules to be followed from this point on. There is no indication that they will revisit past cases no matter how obscene.

Secondly, the prosecutions are all being treated as individuals operating alone with no one willing to see the blindingly obvious that there was a network in operation. The official line from Yousaf’s office is that they will await the SFA final, updated report before getting involved although, why a public inquiry has to wait I have no idea.

Liewell’s mythical “investigation” fairy tale has worked a treat and you can feel the pressure on them easing a little every day. Never heard anyone ever ask them how this yarn is coming along - because everyone knows it’s a pack of lies.

As far as I can tell, the only hope for justice is the ongoing involvement of the Tory MSPs (I would love one of them to ask Sturgeon directly at FMQ what the fuck is her Justice Secretary doing) who seem keen but will drop this issue if there is a danger of losing votes. The only other glimmer is a blatantly weak and wishy washy SFA report, so poor that it prompts UEFA/FIFA involvement.

I think the civil actions are more about money than punishment and I can already smell non-disclosure, secret payoffs that celtic can afford especially once the best left back in the world is sold.

The BBC report from Mark Daly seems as imminent as a British Eurovision winner and no other journalist I’m aware of is even looking at this which I find absolutely astonishing. Sadly it might take one of the victims committing suicide with “this is celtic’s fault” pinned to his chest before the carpet is lifted once and for all.

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14 hours ago, Sweetheart said:

It's clear to see that celtic are trying to cover this up , they haven't answered the MSPs questions, they've not said sorry or offered a compensation scheme to the victims, a 2 year secret probe and now they've hired PR specialists to gag the press, but that Tory MSP has said he and others in his party will carry on pursuing this.  I believe a few from the Labour party are also seeking justice for the victims.

You would think these two parties would be storming into Holyrood shouting and demanding answers from the first minister and justice minister about what the hell is going on. It is a political goldmine and will shame the Nazi party but the scum would be dealt a dangerous blow.

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LETTER OF THE LAW 

By Robert Collins

7th September 2017, 4:20 pm

Updated: 5th July 2019, 6:00 pm

celtic chief Peter Lawwell wrote to the SFA’s Stewart Regan about Rangers’ use of EBTs – and sent it to the highest echelons of Uefa.

FIFA president Gianni Infantino – general secretary of European football’s governing body at the time – was given a copy of the 2012 correspondence.

Peter Lawwell’s letter came just days after Mark Daly’s controversial BBC documentary

As were SFL supremo David Longmuir and SPL chairman Ralph Topping, who two months ago said the SPFL was confident it could block any legal challenges to ‘EBT era’ trophies won.

Lawwell called for a judicial review into the saga and asked that ‘retrospective sanctions’ be considered if wrongdoing was established.

He acted just days after Mark Daly’s controversial BBC documentary The Men Who Sold The Jerseys.

Details of the letter – sent shortly before Gers’ liquidation and printed in full below – emerged in The Times.

PETER LAWWELL’S LETTER TO SFA CHIEF EXECUTIVE STEWART REGAN IN FULL

Dear Stewart,

You will already be well aware of the BBC Scotland programme broadcast on Wednesday 23rd May relating to various events at Rangers, and other media coverage in a similar vein.

The situation at Rangers has clearly attracted a huge level of exposure and comment over a number of months, none of it favourable.

The SFA has already conducted one inquiry, with a subsequent Judicial Panel Hearing and Appeal.

LICENCE PROBE SFA investigating its own decision to hand Rangers a Uefa licence in 2011 – months after these Stewart Regan comments

The SPL is attempting to investigate issues associated with the Rangers EBT, although I gather is still trying to obtain all the relevant information.

Wednesday evening’s programme and other media articles have now placed the affairs of Rangers in relation to payments to players under even greater scrutiny.

The BBC and others now appear to have access to detailed documentary evidence to support the statements made.

If the allegations of “double-contracts” for players are true, and a breach of SFA and/or SPL rules is established, the eligibility of those players to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question, in turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by using those players would by necessity also fall into question.

A copy of Lawwell’s letter was sent to Gianni Infantino, then Uefa general secretary

Rangers won 13 trophies during the ‘EBT era’

Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively, if appropriate.

However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.

We have, to date, supported both the SFA and the SPL in their efforts to deal with the situation.

We appreciate fully that this has not been an easy task for either body. But the interests of fairness and Scottish football now demand that the SFA act decisively.

The initial inquiry should now be reconvened, or a new independent panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed, to investigate and report upon the Rangers EBT issues and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.

 

Ex-Rangers chairman David Murray’s reign has come under scrutiny.

Rival fans have called on the SFA’s Stewart Regan to act, but Gers group Club 1872 hit out at ‘hysterical’ reaction

The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined.

This should take place as quickly as possible, irrespective of the SPL’s own investigations.

I look forward to hearing from you with confirmation of the SFA’s intentions.

A copy of this letter is being sent to the Chairman of the SPL [Ralph Topping], the Chief Executive of the SFL [David Longmuir] and to Uefa [Gianni Infantino] as these issues may be relevant in the context of Uefa Financial Fair Play, the eligibility of players participating in competitions organised by these bodies, and the wider responsibilities of these organisations to protect the integrity of the game.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Lawwell.

I never seen any of this as I haven't purchased a rag since Hillsborough .This motherfucker needs brought down along with his Rancid club.I said he could be  a Sociopath in a previous post,fuck that he is a Sociopath. The sanctimonious prick goes on about the lasting damage to Scottish Football and it's reputation,calling for retrospective punishment and the stripping of titles,by fuck the gall of the cunt knows no bounds.

Meanwhile he is sitting on the biggest scandal in the history of sport.

In my eyes this is tantamount to a declaration of war against Rangers Football Club.

Time to call these bastards out is long past and yes Peter we will be calling for retrospective action on your vile club.

Time to name number 7 paed on the run and the other 7 names given to plod.

there is a helluva lot of people in this Country don't realise what is going on ,Traynor when is he going to react and hit them between the eyes,fuck  me a blind man can see the shit that is  going down, call the dirty bastards out. 

They rely on the silence ,it gives them control, shut it down,nobody wants to know or are afraid to know,remind you of anywhere,Nazi Germany ,a bit far fetched,don't think so when the biggest scandal in this Countries history is ignored by the powers that be.

Kick them Out.

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18 hours ago, Bears r us said:

We all hope you are correct with that S, but I am still sceptical that anything will happen to them from the SFA/SPFL side, but you never know. 

I fear the police are being stopped by the government from investigating those who knew and did nothing, 

I do believe at some point they will have to pay compensation and if it was done through court cases then that would take everything into the open, but again I can see that being done behind closed doors and that will mean it is out of sight to the general public. 

I do hope I am wrong Sweetheart and please keep posting anything that is positive and anything you find to back it up. 👍👍

I just hope that the TORY MSP  can do enough through his party to dispel this kind of evil, no child should have to experience something as horrific as that,  celtic owe the victims an apology as they failed in their duty to report these crimes to the police. The victims could have had closure if the club had acted differently instead the victims were left to suffer which altered the course of their lives as they tried to cope with what happened.

The highlighted bit in your post begs the question,  why would the government stop a police investigation into historical abuse in football, when they did not wish to add it to their own inquiry? 

10 hours ago, Malvern said:

You would think these two parties would be storming into Holyrood shouting and demanding answers from the first minister and justice minister about what the hell is going on. It is a political goldmine and will shame the Nazi party but the scum would be dealt a dangerous blow.

SMPs have been asking for an inquiry but it seems to be falling on deaf ears.  It does seem as though someone in the government doesn't want an investigation  into historical abuse in football., Why don't they want this?  Could investigating this expose a Holyrood scandal with just as much evil as the one found in Westminster?   

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On 06/07/2019 at 03:13, Blueray said:

Likewise, i think you deserve due respect in reply.

However, if lets say the ruling scottish government doesn't take kindly to Scotland Yard becoming involved then in the same way  I'm sure Scotland Yard similar to Uefa's response would be that it is has full trust in scotland and its officialdom to investigate matters. Its highly unlikely in my opinion that any authority outwith scotland would wish to involve itself unless otherwise requested. 

I'm very sure that the fenian snp would  robustly reject Scotland Yard or any other outside body for that matter  from investigating alleged fenian child abuse.

I do get your point but Scotland is still part of the union so I would presume they are following the procedure sent out to all UK police forces by operation Hydrant

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9 hours ago, Lets go 55 said:

Seen this on Follow Follow.

LETTER OF THE LAW 

By Robert Collins

7th September 2017, 4:20 pm

Updated: 5th July 2019, 6:00 pm

celtic chief Peter Lawwell wrote to the SFA’s Stewart Regan about Rangers’ use of EBTs – and sent it to the highest echelons of Uefa.

FIFA president Gianni Infantino – general secretary of European football’s governing body at the time – was given a copy of the 2012 correspondence.

Peter Lawwell’s letter came just days after Mark Daly’s controversial BBC documentary

As were SFL supremo David Longmuir and SPL chairman Ralph Topping, who two months ago said the SPFL was confident it could block any legal challenges to ‘EBT era’ trophies won.

Lawwell called for a judicial review into the saga and asked that ‘retrospective sanctions’ be considered if wrongdoing was established.

He acted just days after Mark Daly’s controversial BBC documentary The Men Who Sold The Jerseys.

Details of the letter – sent shortly before Gers’ liquidation and printed in full below – emerged in The Times.

PETER LAWWELL’S LETTER TO SFA CHIEF EXECUTIVE STEWART REGAN IN FULL

Dear Stewart,

You will already be well aware of the BBC Scotland programme broadcast on Wednesday 23rd May relating to various events at Rangers, and other media coverage in a similar vein.

The situation at Rangers has clearly attracted a huge level of exposure and comment over a number of months, none of it favourable.

The SFA has already conducted one inquiry, with a subsequent Judicial Panel Hearing and Appeal.

LICENCE PROBE SFA investigating its own decision to hand Rangers a Uefa licence in 2011 – months after these Stewart Regan comments

The SPL is attempting to investigate issues associated with the Rangers EBT, although I gather is still trying to obtain all the relevant information.

Wednesday evening’s programme and other media articles have now placed the affairs of Rangers in relation to payments to players under even greater scrutiny.

The BBC and others now appear to have access to detailed documentary evidence to support the statements made.

If the allegations of “double-contracts” for players are true, and a breach of SFA and/or SPL rules is established, the eligibility of those players to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question, in turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by using those players would by necessity also fall into question.

A copy of Lawwell’s letter was sent to Gianni Infantino, then Uefa general secretary

Rangers won 13 trophies during the ‘EBT era’

Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively, if appropriate.

However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.

We have, to date, supported both the SFA and the SPL in their efforts to deal with the situation.

We appreciate fully that this has not been an easy task for either body. But the interests of fairness and Scottish football now demand that the SFA act decisively.

The initial inquiry should now be reconvened, or a new independent panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed, to investigate and report upon the Rangers EBT issues and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.

 

Ex-Rangers chairman David Murray’s reign has come under scrutiny.

Rival fans have called on the SFA’s Stewart Regan to act, but Gers group Club 1872 hit out at ‘hysterical’ reaction

The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined.

This should take place as quickly as possible, irrespective of the SPL’s own investigations.

I look forward to hearing from you with confirmation of the SFA’s intentions.

A copy of this letter is being sent to the Chairman of the SPL [Ralph Topping], the Chief Executive of the SFL [David Longmuir] and to Uefa [Gianni Infantino] as these issues may be relevant in the context of Uefa Financial Fair Play, the eligibility of players participating in competitions organised by these bodies, and the wider responsibilities of these organisations to protect the integrity of the game.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Lawwell.

I never seen any of this as I haven't purchased a rag since Hillsborough .This motherfucker needs brought down along with his Rancid club.I said he could be  a Sociopath in a previous post,fuck that he is a Sociopath. The sanctimonious prick goes on about the lasting damage to Scottish Football and it's reputation,calling for retrospective punishment and the stripping of titles,by fuck the gall of the cunt knows no bounds.

Meanwhile he is sitting on the biggest scandal in the history of sport.

In my eyes this is tantamount to a declaration of war against Rangers Football Club.

Time to call these bastards out is long past and yes Peter we will be calling for retrospective action on your vile club.

Time to name number 7 paed on the run and the other 7 names given to plod.

there is a helluva lot of people in this Country don't realise what is going on ,Traynor when is he going to react and hit them between the eyes,fuck  me a blind man can see the shit that is  going down, call the dirty bastards out. 

They rely on the silence ,it gives them control, shut it down,nobody wants to know or are afraid to know,remind you of anywhere,Nazi Germany ,a bit far fetched,don't think so when the biggest scandal in this Countries history is ignored by the powers that be.

Kick them Out.

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It should be obvious to all that these crimes were institutional and the institution should be punished accordingly, both within criminal law and and within assosiation rules and full sanction applied.

Liewell continues in his crusade to embellish the cover up and continues to pervert the course of justice, fully enabled by a compliant media, crown office and the SFA.

The political landscape is one where dissenting voices are simply closed down. Outwith the few, there is no will to bring this cancer of an eddiface to be expunged from society.

We can only but hope that the tenacity of the few can win through and and natural justice is seen to be done  and brings down an  a so called sporting institution that needs erased from history for their crimes against innocents.

 

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On 07/07/2019 at 04:06, Sweetheart said:

I just hope that the TORY MSP  can do enough through his party to dispel this kind of evil, no child should have to experience something as horrific as that,  celtic owe the victims an apology as they failed in their duty to report these crimes to the police. The victims could have had closure if the club had acted differently instead the victims were left to suffer which altered the course of their lives as they tried to cope with what happened.

The highlighted bit in your post begs the question,  why would the government stop a police investigation into historical abuse in football, when they did not wish to add it to their own inquiry? 

SMPs have been asking for an inquiry but it seems to be falling on deaf ears.  It does seem as though someone in the government doesn't want an investigation  into historical abuse in football., Why don't they want this?  Could investigating this expose a Holyrood scandal with just as much evil as the one found in Westminster?   

It’s no real surprise tbh - it’s appalling of course but the SNP’s apathy around this is in line with everything else they do. Persecute one Club/supporters/community whilst turning a blind eye to the other at every single turn.

There are no boundaries to this, absolutely nobody can believe that this would have been handled the same if the issue was at Rangers.  A full public enquiry would have been ordered and at a minimum there would have been calls to suspend the club pending that investigation....rightly so btw  

 

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Dear Ian,

You will already be well aware of the convictions of various officials at CBC relating to various events that took place at celtic Park and other locations not only in Scotland but elsewhere, are you not duty bound to contact these football associations to establish if they were aware of the crimes being committed in their countries.

The situation at  celtic  has  attracted little or minimal exposure from the media and your organisation ,is this by design or pressure from celtic and Others .

Are you a willing participant in the cover up as previous incumbents linked to celtic clearly were.

Compare this with the feeding frenzy that was visited upon Glasgow Rangers for a legal Tax scheme which attracted a huge level of exposure and comment over a number of years , none of it favourable.

The SFA has supposedly held its own investigations into  issues associated with the child abuse and the prevention of same,  although I gather you are still trying to obtain all the relevant information here's a hint.

Have you asked celtic to comment and if so what was their response ,have you asked Jack Mcginn or is that to close to home.

 The affairs of  celtic and others in relation to the systemic abuse of Children should come under even greater scrutiny.

If the "allegations "of child abuse are true, and a breach of SFA and/or SPFL rules is established, the eligibility of Glasgow celtic Football and Athletic Club to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question, in turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by them would by necessity also fall into question.

Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively.

However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.

We appreciate fully that this will  not be an easy task for you . But in the interests of fairness and Scottish football we  now demand that the SFA act decisively.

An independent inquiry should now be convened, or a new panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed with no connection to celtic or the SFA, to investigate and report  on Glasgow celtic and Others involved in child abuse and the subsequent cover up  and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.

The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined with an air of transparency to protect the integrity of the game.

I look forward to hearing from you with confirmation of the SFA’s intentions.

Yours sincerely,

A. Concerned Chairman.

Kick them Out.

 

 

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On ‎06‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 02:20, Sweetheart said:

Agreed, Imho, he should recuse himself from any SFA/SPL committees  also.

Recuse . You been watching Billions :-)) That is a word I learned watching that .

The corruption and sweep sweep still on going it seems . What a cancerous Country we have become

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Jeffery Epstein, American billionaire and friend of the President, arrested for being a sexual predator for crimes committed  in 1997 -2005.  He did a year but because it was paid off,  they are coming after him again. You can't hide or cover it up in the States but you can in this country.

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40 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Recuse . You been watching Billions :-)) That is a word I learned watching that .

The corruption and sweep sweep still on going it seems . What a cancerous Country we have become

I had to use  google for 'recuse' :happy: but in this country people who should stand down are there because they 'knew' they needed to be there and so no chance of them standing down.

What should happen off course is the decision should be taken away form him and he should be made to stand down, but no one will challenge him because he already has his friends in place to protect him.  :headwall: 

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On 07/07/2019 at 12:30, Lets go 55 said:

Dear Ian,

Yours sincerely,

A. Concerned Chairman.

Kick them Out.

 

 

Ever since I read this post I have been wanting to ask is this a mock up or did it come from a chairman ?? I feel a bit of a prat for asking but I genuinely do  not know what is the correct answer. :unsure:  

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46 minutes ago, Bears r us said:

Ever since I read this post I have been wanting to ask is this a mock up or did it come from a chairman ?? I feel a bit of a prat for asking but I genuinely do  not know what is the correct answer. :unsure:  

Well sorry to tell you it's true, but only  if any of the chairmen including our own could grow a pair and call these cunts out.

Why they don't is anyone's guess, every person that is involved with the running of Scottish football should  hang their heads in shame, along with the Government that will stoop to the levels of hell to achieve their aims, 

How anyone with a braincell can vote for these cunts is beyond me. Aint no Tory but by fuck I will never vote for Labour when you have the Ira lovebhoys in charge 

Kick them Out. 

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3 minutes ago, Lets go 55 said:

Well sorry to tell you it's true, but only  if any of the chairmen including our own could grow a pair and call these cunts out.

Why they don't is anyone's guess, every person that is involved with the running of Scottish football should  hang their heads in shame, along with the Government that will stoop to the levels of hell to achieve their aims, 

How anyone with a braincell can vote for these cunts is beyond me. Aint no Tory but by fuck I will never vote for Labour when you have the Ira lovebhoys in charge 

Kick them Out. 

Thanks for that info mate, I hoped it was true but I was not sure and decided to ask.

It would only take about 5 or so other chairmen to follow that lead and the SFA would have to answer them, but it is probably too much to expect that to happen.

The only hope is that the one who sent it knows who would back up their letter, and maybe get them to also send one.  

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6 hours ago, eejay the dj said:

Recuse . You been watching Billions :-)) That is a word I learned watching that .

The corruption and sweep sweep still on going it seems . What a cancerous Country we have become

Not me eejay, I was replying to Doonald. He had used the word 'recuse' when he said Lawwel should recuse himself from any UEFA committee. I just thought he should recuse himself from the SPFL/SFA first. 

It does appear that way, when you say that the "sweep sweep is still on going". It makes me wonder who's brand of carpet sweeper they are using.

6 hours ago, Bears r us said:

I had to use  google for 'recuse' :happy: but in this country people who should stand down are there because they 'knew' they needed to be there and so no chance of them standing down.

What should happen off course is the decision should be taken away form him and he should be made to stand down, but no one will challenge him because he already has his friends in place to protect him.  :headwall: 

I agree BRU..

Maybe UEFA will take this stance and order Lawwell to step down , if the police decide do a criminal investigation into whether the 6 convicted were part of a organised ring ran  through celtic and their boys club. 

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