Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Next up: I don't rate Joe Dodoo = I've joined the KKK Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, wilberforce1 said: None so blind... I'm not blind at all, I'm just not short sighted n easily led Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Getstiffed said: Surely "taig like" would be taking pleasure in the guys behaviour towards Rangers managers rather than condeming it? It's what people do when they are unable to counter-argue - all they can do is offer insults. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Lloyd72 said: Why do cunts keep up with this Barry is a Ned patter ffs I don't like the guy much either but it's such a shit reason for people to not want the guy. Standards some people has them. Cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, bigsasasfloopyhair said: I'm not blind at all, I'm just not short sighted n easily led What's short sighted about seeing a man's behaviour towards 3 seperate Rangers managers and then thinking "hmm, maybe not the guy to take advice from if you've just become Rangers manager"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperpete 3,186 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: Ntnxt up: I don't rate Joe Dodoo = I've joined the KKK How do you get the sheet to stay IN the cone shape and stop IT folding over ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, wilberforce1 said: It's what people do when they are unable to counter-argue - all they can do is offer insults. Nah its a strawman. Its the same thing BP does. If you don't rate someone you hate them and the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: I'm not blind at all, I'm just not short sighted n easily led That implies that you think anyone not in favour of BF is both of these? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, piperpete said: How do you get the sheet to stay IN the cone shape and stop IT folding over ? Starch mate :wink: piperpete 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, wilberforce1 said: That implies that you think anyone not in favour of BF is both of these? Yes and therefore should be dismissed without the need to produce a counter argument. Convenient isn't it wilberforce1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperpete 3,186 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: Starch mate :wink: I will pop a few tatties INto the washing machine with the sheet and try IT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: He is young manager learning his trade. Going to Clyde wasn't about results, it was a sounding pad to work on ethos, style of play etc for a bigger role. Any top flight player/manager would struggle to adapt to working with PT players of a poorer quality than used too. Ferguson knows he will be offered bigger jobs. Clyde was a chance to develop himself. The guy has taken the time to learn unlike many players who jump straight in and he still gets slaughtered. Wrap it up anyway you like, Barry Ferguson at Clyde, with one of the bigger budgets in the 4th tier, against other part-time bosses with similar restrictions, FAILED in his remit to get them promoted and left them in 8th place out of 10. ie. he hasn't proved himself as yet, has just instilled more doubts wrt his ability in a dug-out / training pitch and if Rangers weren't knocking on his door wouldn't have had any offers from other teams at a reasonable to decent level. The Hammer127 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Getstiffed said: What's short sighted about seeing a man's behaviour towards 3 seperate Rangers managers and then thinking "hmm, maybe not the guy to take advice from if you've just become Rangers manager"? It's short sighted to look only st the negatives of a person. Nobody actually able to see that the guy has flaws on his career n character, but still achieved great things. I believe learning from your mistakes and thus makes Ferguson a great choice to work with players and keep them on the right path. Do as I say not as I do. Also Ferguson was 100% correct on plg, never a rangers manager and rangers being undefeated the rest of the season after he left was clear proof. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Getstiffed said: Yes and therefore should be dismissed without the need to produce a counter argument. Convenient isn't it It'd be great If his supporters could come out with something other than "he's a Ranger man" or "his Da is a really nice guy". Getstiffed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CottonRunt 978 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I loved BF as a player, but since he's retired he's been nothing but a rent-a-gub! Working for the Daily Record and not standing up for the club. DJ mark 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: Yes and therefore should be dismissed without the need to produce a counter argument. Convenient isn't it I'm happy to argue. My opinion and points are valid, you may not agree but that's why we debate. Out if the people mentioned Ferguson is the most realistic n credible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's short sighted to look only st the negatives of a person. Nobody actually able to see that the guy has flaws on his career n character, but still achieved great things. I believe learning from your mistakes and thus makes Ferguson a great choice to work with players and keep them on the right path. Do as I say not as I do. Also Ferguson was 100% correct on plg, never a rangers manager and rangers being undefeated the rest of the season after he left was clear proof. The case for BF Ignore the many negatives in his past, including that he doesn't learn from his mistakes and left Clyde 8th in the 4th tier and give him the job because he knows how to do what you shouldn't do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's short sighted to look only st the negatives of a person. Nobody actually able to see that the guy has flaws on his career n character, but still achieved great things. I believe learning from your mistakes and thus makes Ferguson a great choice to work with players and keep them on the right path. Do as I say not as I do. Also Ferguson was 100% correct on plg, never a rangers manager and rangers being undefeated the rest of the season after he left was clear proof. I would say that trust is one of the most important attributes (if not the most important) of any candidate. I think it's already been highlighted in this thread (and elsewhere) that BF falls short in the department. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's short sighted to look only st the negatives of a person. Nobody actually able to see that the guy has flaws on his career n character, but still achieved great things. I believe learning from your mistakes and thus makes Ferguson a great choice to work with players and keep them on the right path. Do as I say not as I do. Also Ferguson was 100% correct on plg, never a rangers manager and rangers being undefeated the rest of the season after he left was clear proof. Its specifically related to his relationship with managers (and yes it is 3 managers despite your latest attempt at a strawman by reducing it to the PLG issue) and as he is being proposed for a role created specifically to help the new manager, I don't see how considering these factors in Ferguson's past is short sighted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's short sighted to look only st the negatives of a person. Nobody actually able to see that the guy has flaws on his career n character, but still achieved great things. I believe learning from your mistakes and thus makes Ferguson a great choice to work with players and keep them on the right path. Do as I say not as I do. Also Ferguson was 100% correct on plg, never a rangers manager and rangers being undefeated the rest of the season after he left was clear proof. He's already attacked the appointment of a foreign manager. Yep, that's someone I want covering my back..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, buster. said: Ignore his past, including that he doesn't learn from his mistakes and left Clyde 8th in the 4th tier and give him the job because he knows how to do what you shouldn't do. It's not ignoring it in the slightest. So the guy made some mistakes, did it stop him being a tremendous player and captain? No. Can he use these experiences to help others, undoubtedly yes. Anyone who has been involved in football knows a young manager needs time to learn and develop. Let's not forget you're using his time at Clyde to judge him against a non management position. Who is your preferred choice for the job? McCann-no Miller-no Novo-no Brown-no Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: I'm happy to argue. My opinion and points are valid, you may not agree but that's why we debate. Out if the people mentioned Ferguson is the most realistic n credible. Yeah now you are You're point isn't valid. You are literally claiming that someone's past behaviour towards managers (PLURAL) of our club should have no bearing on his suitability for assistant to the current manager of our club Why don't we get Charles Green back as CEO. He did net us 70 odd million quid. We'll just ignore his other behaviour. You're logic. Not mine. wilberforce1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I think posters are getting worked up over nothing . He getting a small role in the new managers set up. Inigo and surfsup2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's not ignoring it in the slightest. So the guy made some mistakes, did it stop him being a tremendous player and captain? No. Can he use these experiences to help others, undoubtedly yes. Anyone who has been involved in football knows a young manager needs time to learn and develop. Let's not forget you're using his time at Clyde to judge him against a non management position. Who is your preferred choice for the job? McCann-no Miller-no Novo-no Brown-no I couldn't give a flying fuck what the guys done in his managerial career so far. Haven't taken one bit of notice and if it hadn't ever been posted on here I probably would never have heard about it. He's fucked over one manager and attempted to fuck 2 others over. That's how I'll judge his suitablility as assistant to the current Rangers manager. theiconicman 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: It's not ignoring it in the slightest. So the guy made some mistakes, did it stop him being a tremendous player and captain? No. Can he use these experiences to help others, undoubtedly yes. Anyone who has been involved in football knows a young manager needs time to learn and develop. Let's not forget you're using his time at Clyde to judge him against a non management position. Who is your preferred choice for the job? McCann-no Miller-no Novo-no Brown-no This was the case against (below). Please provide a counter based on fact Quote - Played a big part in refusing to adapt to and the undermining of a Rangers manager, using the mhedia to help in that. Lost Captaincy+ - Off-field Irresponsibility with Scotland see him stripped of Captaincy and further appearences - Disrespecting another Rangers manager see him lose Captaincy AGAIN and cold shouldered. - As Clyde manager, is sent to stands after getting involved in abusive exchange with Clyde supporter whilst in charge of a team being horsed by Spartans in the Scottish Cup. - His repeated highly irresponsible and sometimes deceptive behaviour shows that he doesn't learn lessons very well. - With one of the highest budgets in the 4th tier, he fails to get Clyde promoted and leaves them in danger of losing league status. - Works with the Daily Record and BBC Scotland and has his contacts for the day when he reverts to type and briefs against mgmt. team when results don't go well and will be hyped by the same people (Keith Jackson/ghostwriter) to fill any vacums that may arise in the future. - On BBC Scotland a week or two ago, he actually said that he thought the foreign route was a mistake for Rangers and they should go for McInnes. Fine to have an opinion but not an opinion that marries well with him getting a job within the foreign route. - Listening to him talk about football is like going back a decade or more. He doesn't seem to be an advocate of progressive methods. Again, a bad fit with new set-up. In summary, Ferguson has a off the field history that screams 'NOT Suitable & Dangerous' and has a coaching/mgmt. history that doesn't suggest he has a lot to offer (failed at Clyde). Quite how the board saw him as a candidate for this job is beyond me and IMO can only be via the Parks family influence. This won't end well. The Hammer127 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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