Popular Post coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, buster. said: Wrap it up anyway you like, Barry Ferguson at Clyde, with one of the bigger budgets in the 4th tier, against other part-time bosses with similar restrictions, FAILED in his remit to get them promoted and left them in 8th place. ie. he hasn't proved himself as yet, has just instilled more doubts wrt his ability in a dug-out / training pitch and if Rangers weren't knocking on his door wouldn't have had any offers from other teams at a reasonable to decent level. Living in Elgin, I occasionally pop along to games. Watched his Clyde team a couple of times last season and once this. What was noticeable about the way his team was set out and the way they play is this...the game plan appeared to be "let's be physical and bully teams" which surprised me. Now, it may be that's how he decided is best to play in the 4th tier but it wasn't exactly pretty, but it almost paid off for them being beaten by the odd goal in the play-off final. Relating that to potential assistant at Ibrox? Well, watching his team and watching him from the sideline, he certainly retains a desire to win. so as long as that's the prime driver for his appointment, aligned with his Rangers credentials and his knowledge of the Scottish game, then he could be useful in the role. But I can't help thinking that once he had his foot in the door he'd be undermining the gaffer and looking for the opportunity for himself. For that reason, I'm out. Smile, Bears, wilberforce1 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, buster. said: This was the case against (below). Please provide a counter based on fact May or may not end well but you can be sure that if it doesn't go his way it will be the foreign guys fault again. AlCapone 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: Who is your preferred choice for the job? McCann-no Miller-no Novo-no Brown-no The more I listen to this debate and see the candidates, the more I'd prefer Pedro to learn as he goes with some assistance from Graeme Murty regards continuity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: Its specifically related to his relationship with managers (and yes it is 3 managers despite your latest attempt at a strawman by reducing it to the PLG issue) and as he is being proposed for a role created specifically to help the new manager, I don't see how considering these factors in Ferguson's past is short sighted. I only reduced it to plg as that was his major controversy. If he is so disruptive and a negative for managers then why was he in captain under different managers at rangers, Blackburn, Scotland, blackpool etc?? The guy is a leader, passionate and the type of guy I want in my club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,748 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Smile said: I think posters are getting worked up over nothing . He getting a small role in the new managers set up. I think that's what people are worried about. Ferguson is clearly a massive and influential personality, as we've seen first hand several times both positively and negatively over the years so is Ferguson going to be content with only having a small background role at the club? My question is if Caixnha really needs somebody like that beside him when he also comes across as having that sort of strong alpha type personality too? rab wilson and buster. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, bigsasasfloopyhair said: I only reduced it to plg as that was his major controversy. If he is so disruptive and a negative for managers then why was he in captain under different managers at rangers, Blackburn, Scotland, blackpool etc?? The guy is a leader, passionate and the type of guy I want in my club. The type of guy that would undermine Walter Smith's authority. Aye Pedro stands a right good chance against someone who can get away with what is by our standards heracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, buster. said: This was the case against (below). Please provide a counter based on fact My opinion stands, the only real choice for me. Couldnt care about a journalists views are, it's poor to only consider the negatives in a person to rule people out. The guy could prove to a credit for us but people aren't willing to give him the chance. Yet no doubt these people will be first to chant his names when times are good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, bigsasasfloopyhair said: My opinion stands, the only real choice for me. Couldnt care about a journalists views are, it's poor to only consider the negatives in a person to rule people out. The guy could prove to a credit for us but people aren't willing to give him the chance. Yet no doubt these people will be first to chant his names when times are good. Fair enough, you have your opinion. But obviously have little to nothing to back it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: The type of guy that would undermine Walter Smith's authority. Aye Pedro stands a right good chance against someone who can get away with what is by our standards heracy. At that time Barry was integral to the team and worth multi millions. If he undermines Pedro he gets let go with minimum fuss or financial repercussions. the scenarios are not comparable Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, trueblueal said: At that time Barry was integral to the team and worth multi millions. If he undermines Pedro he gets let go with minimum fuss or financial repercussions. the scenarios are not comparable It'd most probably begin via his mhedia buddies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: Living in Elgin, I occasionally pop along to games. Watched his Clyde team a couple of times last season and once this. What was noticeable about the way his team was set out and the way they play is this...the game plan appeared to be "let's be physical and bully teams" which surprised me. Now, it may be that's how he decided is best to play in the 4th tier but it wasn't exactly pretty, but it almost paid off for them being beaten by the odd goal in the play-off final. Relating that to potential assistant at Ibrox? Well, watching his team and watching him from the sideline, he certainly retains a desire to win. so as long as that's the prime driver for his appointment, aligned with his Rangers credentials and his knowledge of the Scottish game, then he could be useful in the role. But I can't help thinking that once he had his foot in the door he'd be undermining the gaffer and looking for the opportunity for himself. For that reason, I'm out. Good post a reasoned argument with actual attendance at a game he's managed in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Didny want Fergie , although if it's between him and Bomber , Fergie gets it for me . (nobody else in the running ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Smile said: Good post a reasoned argument with actual attendance at a game he's managed in. I don't know, Buster listed many reasons why he should not be near the job. But you choose to endorse someone who attended a Clyde match! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT said: Didny want Fergie , although if it's between him and Bomber , Fergie gets it for me . (nobody else in the running ) Where did you hear this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,600 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, wilberforce1 said: I don't know, Buster listed many reasons why he should not be near the job. But you choose to endorse someone who attended a Clyde match! Endorse someone who actually seen him coach is that a daft choice over someone getting quotes and info from various websites. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, wilberforce1 said: Where did you hear this? That's meant to be a question mate .Should be ( Is there nobody else in the running) wilberforce1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Imagine.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,241 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, wilberforce1 said: Imagine.... As opposed to Bomber who's permanently bemused Bears r us and Jack The Flipper 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRunsBlue 1,303 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 BF. Our next manager, after he undermines and gets rid of Pedro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodRunsBlue said: BF. Our next manager, after he undermines and gets rid of Pedro. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, buster. said: Wrap it up anyway you like, Barry Ferguson at Clyde, with one of the bigger budgets in the 4th tier, against other part-time bosses with similar restrictions, FAILED in his remit to get them promoted and left them in 8th place out of 10. ie. he hasn't proved himself as yet, has just instilled more doubts wrt his ability in a dug-out / training pitch and if Rangers weren't knocking on his door wouldn't have had any offers from other teams at a reasonable to decent level. Weir was a similar disaster at Sheffield United yet we still hired him as a managerial assistant. Being a 'Rangers Man' is credential enough it seems. I would also argue that an encyclopaedic knowledge of Scottish football means nothing if you can't coach. You must be able to understand the information and how to use it your own benefit. Jack The Flipper and buster. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 64,423 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Having thought about it I'd prefer Murty but the over-reaction in here is mental. People making out as if this is some kind of sinister plot by BF to get the managers job Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Doubt Ferguson would even be a coach if he does get appointed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, wilberforce1 said: Imagine.... 'Bemused'. Too soon after the bald fraud for me. RFCRobertson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUILDMYGALLOWS1986 413 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ian FERGUSON anyone? Coplandbear11, Shetland Bear and Bears 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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