SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, cushynumber said: I think £20M spent would do it easily and I base that on some facts not a figure plucked out the air as follows: Celtics first team squad who played against Barca recently: CELTIC : Dorus de Vries (Nottingham Forest, £100,000), Mikael Lustig (Rosenborg, pre-contract), Kolo Toure (Liverpool, free), Erik Sviatchenko (FC Midtjylland, £1.5m), Kieran Tierney, (Home grown, free), Scott Brown (Hibs, £4.4m), (Callum McGregor (Home grown, free), Nir Bitton (FC Ashdod, £700,000), James Forrest (Home grown, free), (Patrick Roberts (Manchester City, loan), Tom Rogic (Central Coast Mariners, £500,000), (Stuart Armstrong (Dundee Utd, £1.75m), Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa, £4m), Moussa Dembele (Fulham, £500,000). UNUSED SUBS: Craig Gordon (Free), Emilio Izaguirre (Motagua, £650,000), Nadir Ciftci (Dundee Utd, £1.5m), Cristian Gamboa (WBA, £1m). TOTAL: £16.6m. and thats an entire squad What would they realistically sell for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF2 WINNIE 1,006 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, BEE said: £50m will only get us half of Dembele fs. As long as it's the bottom half. We will get a player and a half. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,621 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, cushynumber said: I think £20M spent would do it easily and I base that on some facts not a figure plucked out the air as follows: Celtics first team squad who played against Barca recently: CELTIC : Dorus de Vries (Nottingham Forest, £100,000), Mikael Lustig (Rosenborg, pre-contract), Kolo Toure (Liverpool, free), Erik Sviatchenko (FC Midtjylland, £1.5m), Kieran Tierney, (Home grown, free), Scott Brown (Hibs, £4.4m), (Callum McGregor (Home grown, free), Nir Bitton (FC Ashdod, £700,000), James Forrest (Home grown, free), (Patrick Roberts (Manchester City, loan), Tom Rogic (Central Coast Mariners, £500,000), (Stuart Armstrong (Dundee Utd, £1.75m), Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa, £4m), Moussa Dembele (Fulham, £500,000). UNUSED SUBS: Craig Gordon (Free), Emilio Izaguirre (Motagua, £650,000), Nadir Ciftci (Dundee Utd, £1.5m), Cristian Gamboa (WBA, £1m). TOTAL: £16.6m. and thats an entire squad Spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,801 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Doesn't matter who says how much money we need it's not going to change the fact that King has none. He needs chased and hopefully the protest that's supposedly happening this week will be the start of that. Protest? Must've missed this mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza27 15,283 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Doesn't matter who says how much money we need it's not going to change the fact that King has none. He needs chased and hopefully the protest that's supposedly happening this week will be the start of that. Protest? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,801 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: What would they realistically sell for? 750 million Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Just now, Rfc52 said: Protest? Must've missed this mate Seen it shared on a fb page earlier today. Was started by someone called David Keith, not sure how much support there is for it yet though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: What would they realistically sell for? 8 trillion bazillion demebele dollars at todays exchange rate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza1212 1,212 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Works out at a grand a head from a full house at Ibrox . Too much to put an end to this shite? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: 750 million Or seriously, an estimate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: What would they realistically sell for? why would that be relavant?- all kidding aside they inflate their player costs massively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, cushynumber said: 8 trillion bazillion demebele dollars at todays exchange rate Fair point. But every year they have those saleable assets that we don't. They have a track record of doing it and we clearly don't. Ignore if you prefer to though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, cushynumber said: why would that be relavant?- all kidding aside they inflate their player costs massively. Yeah but they still bring in 4, 5 10 millions here and there. Inflated or not that's been real profit. And whilst we're trying to find our 5 to 15 million to have the squad to overtake them they can sell, recoup, reinvest. It's a factor that can't be ignored even if they over inflate the first sale price. That's why I think WH has went higher than what most of us feel is a realistic snapshot figure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal and Blue 19 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Surely the £50m was a dig at King as others have eluded too? However, it does give them more credit then they deserve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yeah but they still bring in 4, 5 10 millions here and there. Inflated or not that's been real profit. And whilst we're trying to find our 5 to 15 million to have the squad to overtake them they can sell, recoup, reinvest. It's a factor that can't be ignored even if the over inflate the first sale price. but surely once we get that level of squad in, we can sell, recoup, reinvest exactly the same as them. This issue at the moment is getting to that level of squad - not what we do with it once we have it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 We need 15 to 20 m to challenge for that title and unless a fairy godmother appears then we better get used to.days like Sunday for a long time to come . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooblue 1,973 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Meanwhile, on planet Earth ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, cushynumber said: I think £20M spent would do it easily and I base that on some facts not a figure plucked out the air as follows: Celtics first team squad who played against Barca recently: CELTIC : Dorus de Vries (Nottingham Forest, £100,000), Mikael Lustig (Rosenborg, pre-contract), Kolo Toure (Liverpool, free), Erik Sviatchenko (FC Midtjylland, £1.5m), Kieran Tierney, (Home grown, free), Scott Brown (Hibs, £4.4m), (Callum McGregor (Home grown, free), Nir Bitton (FC Ashdod, £700,000), James Forrest (Home grown, free), (Patrick Roberts (Manchester City, loan), Tom Rogic (Central Coast Mariners, £500,000), (Stuart Armstrong (Dundee Utd, £1.75m), Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa, £4m), Moussa Dembele (Fulham, £500,000). UNUSED SUBS: Craig Gordon (Free), Emilio Izaguirre (Motagua, £650,000), Nadir Ciftci (Dundee Utd, £1.5m), Cristian Gamboa (WBA, £1m). TOTAL: £16.6m. and thats an entire squad There is one major difference to their squad of last year and that is the manager. Someone who can organise a team and actually get them to play football, plus make a real difference with signings . We are yet to experience a decent manager since Smith left. Is Pedro the answer? Based on the weekend I have my doubts but only he can prove me wrong by never applying those tactics again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, cushynumber said: but surely once we get that level of squad in, we can sell, recoup, reinvest exactly the same as them. This issue at the moment is getting to that level of squad - not what we do with it once we have it. So in several season's time you mean... You can't ignore it. If we buy say 4/5 players worth 15 million total they could in the summer sell Dembele and buy the same calibre of players. We've not moved any further forward against their squad and they have CL money to come. We need to spend a fair bit MORE than them to get to that level, it's more about bridging the overall gap rather than saying 15m will do it. Edit. I reckon they'll get 10+ for Dembele which is why the transfer cost you highlighted earlier is not a true reflection. Did you give a general valuation of their squad? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,775 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, cushynumber said: I think £20M spent would do it easily and I base that on some facts not a figure plucked out the air as follows: Celtics first team squad who played against Barca recently: CELTIC : Dorus de Vries (Nottingham Forest, £100,000), Mikael Lustig (Rosenborg, pre-contract), Kolo Toure (Liverpool, free), Erik Sviatchenko (FC Midtjylland, £1.5m), Kieran Tierney, (Home grown, free), Scott Brown (Hibs, £4.4m), (Callum McGregor (Home grown, free), Nir Bitton (FC Ashdod, £700,000), James Forrest (Home grown, free), (Patrick Roberts (Manchester City, loan), Tom Rogic (Central Coast Mariners, £500,000), (Stuart Armstrong (Dundee Utd, £1.75m), Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa, £4m), Moussa Dembele (Fulham, £500,000). UNUSED SUBS: Craig Gordon (Free), Emilio Izaguirre (Motagua, £650,000), Nadir Ciftci (Dundee Utd, £1.5m), Cristian Gamboa (WBA, £1m). TOTAL: £16.6m. and thats an entire squad You have to factor in wages too though. Their average wage per year is over double what ours is (£717, 860 for them and £316,888 for us) We need the 10-15 million to sign players but we need the same again added to the wage budget because a 2-3 million pound signing probably costs you closer to 4-6 million in total when you factor in their wages over the course of a three or four deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: So in several season's time you mean... You can't ignore it. If we buy say 4/5 players worth 15 million total they could in the summer sell Dembele and buy the same calibre of players. We've not moved any further forward against their squad and they have CL money to come. We need to spend a fair bit MORE than them to get to that level, it's more about bridging the overall gap rather than saying 15m will do it. no i dont agree - because once we have that calibre of player in we could do exactly what they do with dembele. As I say it getting to that level thats the issue. I dont see how us shelling out £15 million would not move us any further forward against their squad - that makes no sense. Them buying the same calibre of player means they stay where they are. Us buying that calibre of player moves us forward considerably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, K.A.I said: He was quite vocal towards King at the start of the season on here, too. He was totally correct then. I agree with his narrative/tone/gist but not the figure of 50-million. 15-million spent well would get us competing with Celtic again IMO and by spent well I mean players like Davis, Mendes, Cuellar, Naismith, Bougherra, Jelavic, Miller (second time round), Cousin etc. They were all 1-4 million each. I know there's an argument saying you can't get players for those prices anymore but I think you can, if you spend wisely. I appreciate it's easier said than done but that's where a good scouting department comes in which we need to assemble too. You would need to be prepared to lose up to 15 million to assemble a good squad, taking in to consideration bad signings, getting rid of current players and also an inflated wage bill. I can understand what you are saying but in reality the final figure would be a lot higher. I think WH is basically tell Kingco, that if they are not prepared to invest then they need to go, as it is never going to get any better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_watp 1,503 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, BEE said: £50m will only get us half of Dembele fs. Aye the half with the pulled hamstring knowing our luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,801 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, A.T.G said: There is one major difference to their squad of last year and that is the manager. Someone who can organise a team and actually get them to play football, plus make a real difference with signings . We are yet to experience a decent manager since Smith left. Is Pedro the answer? Based on the weekend I have my doubts but only he can prove me wrong by never applying those tactics again. His signings have been horrendous. Dembele isnt his. The rest are deilas mob. Most of his signings can't get a game. I'm.choking for him to spend big there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,715 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, cushynumber said: no i dont agree - because once we have that calibre of player in we could do exactly what they do with dembele. As I say it getting to that level thats the issue. I dont see how us shelling out £15 million would not move us any further forward against their squad - that makes no sense. Them buying the same calibre of player means they stay where they are. Us buying that calibre of player moves us forward considerably. Because it is players we'd rely on whilst it supplements their first team and squad. Whilst both sets of signings develop, they sell a Tierney for 5 million, a Sinclair for similar etc. What if their 15m was spent on 2/3 players who are next level players rather than the 4 we need to try to catch up. Still happy with our 15m? Edit Amended after you'd quoted me. What was your valuation of their squad? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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