K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Gandhi1872 said: People need to wake up because they have a different opinion to you? aye that's what it is. The old different opinion line when there's no response. Been a while since I've seen that used on here but it's a night for things that's not happened in a long time to happen tonight I suppose. I disagree with loads of people on here about loads of things - wakening up is to the fact that blatant mistakes are getting made in front of our faces but some are chosing to ignore it all because Warburton signed the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Persson 547 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Not confident in Pedro now though. Like MW, I am beginning to think this is all sizzle and no meat. . Got to hope he can grow, or has more in the locker with his own players and a way of playing. He hasn't improved the squad, so that is not impressive. Given the way he speaks and with all that knowledge he cannot improve our performances? Got to wonder about that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said: I think some expected Pedro to beat Celtic and start reaching Cup finals after a few weeks in the job. Those expectations were unrealistic as he was on a hiding to nothing for the remainder of this season. That hiding has happened and some have decided to shit the bed anyway. Our season was over long before Pedro arrived at Rangers. I'm excited to watch Pedro sign his own players, build his own team, and implement his own style. Pedro could still be a great Rangers manager and we should be excited by him. Success won't come until we close the financial gap and start buying quality players that will allow Pedro, or any other Rangers manager, to compete with Celtic. Personally speaking I said when he joined that he can't be judged fully with the shite Warburton signed but we still need to see signs of progression in the meantime & hitting the ground running would help. He's not done that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam1872 251 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Boards a sham. He's got the first game of the season to show me he can cut it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,821 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, THE_MIGHTY_BEARS said: I think some expected Pedro to beat Celtic and start reaching Cup finals after a few weeks in the job. Those expectations were unrealistic as he was on a hiding to nothing for the remainder of this season. That hiding has happened and some have decided to shit the bed anyway. Our season was over long before Pedro arrived at Rangers. I'm excited to watch Pedro sign his own players, build his own team, and implement his own style. Pedro could still be a great Rangers manager and we should be excited by him. Success won't come until we close the financial gap and start buying quality players that will allow Pedro, or any other Rangers manager, to compete with Celtic. Trying to share your optimism mate but honestly don't see it with this guy He seems to say one thing and do another, the only reason I can think for that is the players don't understand what he wants or just simply don't give a fuck Didn't like the manager being written off by some fans before he'd even managed 1 game but I can see why people are short on confidence with him at the moment We've hit rock bottom now anyway this season, the weekends game is a rubber match now and tbh I'd play a squad of youngsters and players like Alnwick, the ones who are going should be told after tonight not to bother turning up Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandhi1872 186 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, K.A.I said: aye that's what it is. The old different opinion line when there's no response. Been a while since I've seen that used on here but it's a night for things that's not happened in a long time to happen tonight I suppose. I disagree with loads of people on here about loads of things - wakening up is to the fact that blatant mistakes are getting made in front of our faces but some are chosing to ignore it all because Warburton signed the players. When there's no response? No that is the response. They are not his players and people feel he should get the chance to bring in the players he wants before he can be fairly judged. And it's not just bringing in his players: it's the type of players. This squad is frighteningly unbalanced when it comes to having options for different styles of play. There are no players with steel, grit or determination to embrace the physical side of the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Gandhi1872 said: When there's no response? No that is the response. They are not his players and people feel he should get the chance to bring in the players he wants before he can be fairly judged. And it's not just bringing in his players: it's the type of players. This squad is frighteningly unbalanced when it comes to having options for different styles of play. There are no players with steel, grit or determination to embrace the physical side of the game. It's a stupid response to be fair. I don't tell anyone to waken up over a difference of opinion. A difference of opinion would be something like who's our best central defence pairing ... waken up means something totally different to me - like something that's happening in front of your face but get's ignored. There's more to being a manager than just signing players. This is the perfect get out for the other stuff he's doing wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_blue 108 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 A completely bizarre appointment. Had a little feeling more in hope than anything that he was appointed by someone in the background who is going to invest because it was such a strange choice. Doesn't look like it's the case though and if it continues like this then whoever put him in charge needs to answer serious questions. We need to start showing a bit of ambition again. Starting with a manager with a decent track record would have been a start. He is here now however and he needs to be given a chance next season with his own players. That's if the cunts give him money to spend and if they don't then they can get to fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig 176 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, K.A.I said: I don't want a reaction I want a proper debate and I want people to waken up. There is a few people who think he can do no wrong. The posts are scattered about the forum to see and they aren't hard to find. If I get it rammed down my throat that these aren't his players therefore nothing else matters I am more than entitled to call them the Pedro can do no wrong brigade back. you're confusing the -Pedro can do no wrong brigade - with - Pedro needs time to bring his own players in Brigade - and then be judged... The mini tables shows games won....and shows an improvement in results if not improvement in play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: you're confusing the -Pedro can do no wrong brigade - with - Pedro needs time to bring his own players in Brigade - and then be judged... The mini tables shows games won....and shows an improvement in results if not improvement in play. I'm not confusing it at all because (like I've said loads) the can do no wrong brigade are ignoring the other mistakes he keeps making that's nothing to do with buying players. and that ridiculous little red neck of a table will look very different when Celtic win their 2-games in hand. Stupid table. Desperate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,364 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The baldy wank was a better manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivybank 4,573 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Tonight was a game for experienced players,but no he makes a complete arse of it again,forget there not his players,his tactics are absolute shite Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim beam 2,188 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The warning signs are right in our faces for next season and beyond with the appointment of Pedro,the benchmark as been laid down with the calibre of players we can expect in/linked too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig 176 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 You're missing the point....we are not as good as them..they are unbeaten it simply shows that results have improved nothing else...it's easy to turn round and and say Pedro is shit, but simply put with a worse team to pick from ( eg loads of players out or not interested) He has played youth, changed a system completely and got better results without any of his players coming in......now McCoist i hated from the start as a manager, but he deserved a chance - Pedro deserves the same before the knives come out.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandhi1872 186 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, K.A.I said: It's a stupid response to be fair. I don't tell anyone to waken up over a difference of opinion. A difference of opinion would be something like who's our best central defence pairing ... waken up means something totally different to me - like something that's happening in front of your face but get's ignored. There's more to being a manager than just signing players. This is the perfect get out for the other stuff he's doing wrong. But things you think are blatant is a subjective opinion. The way you think your opinion is right that other person probably believes their opinion is just as correct. You're right there's more to it than signing players. What specifically are the things he's doing wrong that people are ignoring? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, K.A.I said: & tonight we fucked it. Just one thing we had to maintain this season. It was clear we didn't have enough to compete with Celtic early on but I stupidly thought we would still finish second but the main thing I wanted was not to lose that record to them. The players didn't care a jot (apart from a 5/10-minute spell after Waghorn scoring) from the off it was like a pre-season friendly to them. Only Miller got it and early on young Wilson at the back, you could see it on the young boys face he was wanting to get stuck in even if ability-wise he might not have had it. I know the 'Pedro can do no wrong' brigade are currently sharpening their knives ready to get stuck into myself for this post and anyone else with legitimate concerns so I'll get the part out of the road that get's rammed down our throats in defence of him every day that I know he didn't sign these players. I know. Cheers. The players are useless wankers who hopefully won't be returning from pre-season holidays but you might have Pedro to thank for helping them down the tools tonight. He made a point of telling them quite blazenly in the press that a lot of them won't be back. This is Pedro all over he talks a good game but doesn't think. He done Aberdeen's team talk for them tonight with his pish he's spouted. Naming teams against Kilmarnock 2-days in advance. Record since the 60's in Scottish Cup Semi's against Celtic gone. Worst ever Ibrox Old Firm defeat. Almost 30-years since they cunt's beat us at Ibrox ... now long gone. Speaking absolute bollocks in the press, taking the huff saying he's keeping his thoughts to himself then resuming the pish talk a day or so after. No further forward with a style of play (yes in spite of it being someone else's signings) We've had Jim Duffy, Gordon Smith, Neil Lennon, Davie Provan, Derek McInnes and some others all come out and criticise Pedro in the past day or two and I can't disagree with what they said. Some of the guys I respect greatly one I don't but I think what they've said is correct - it's nothing to do with the media gunning for him, he's gave the media all sorts of ammo and headlines on a plate. There's a massive difference but it doesn't suit the false narrative about Poor Pedro that some of the support have built up. Pedro was an intentional appointment by this scummy board to keep the heat off them. They knew fine well there's a good chance all this would happen but they did it anyway so they could say "it was a gamble we tried a different route for the good of the club" .. I almost feel sorry for Pedro as he's being used as a clear patsy here. Pedro (like Cathro at Hearts) is an excellent number two who's tactically minded but out his depth as the manager of a team like ours. I could be totally wrong (I hope I am) but watch our transfer recruitment involve all sorts of random dudes from South America and the Gulf states with a couple of second-rate Scottish talent like Jack from Aberdeen and Crawford from Hamilton and us having to rebuild again next summer. Identiclal position. I don't rate our youths but to prove a point I'd send every single one of our first team players away for their summer holidays right now and give everyone of them a game against St Johnstone last game of the season. Show some balls Pedro and just do that. It's not PC's fault he is here with a squad full of dross. The board picked him and that is where the big picture in our future lies. Everything else is a distraction. Everything this board and particularly king has touched has turned to shit. If we are shit off the park, you cannot expect to be anything other than shit on it. I fully expect more disapointment next season as the funds are not there to challenge the scum and so it will remain whilst this board remain in power. Jose or Pep G couldn't do anythong with this lot. In fact they would refuse to work with them and walk away laughing. Whilst this board remain, our glory days will not be coming back. We will remain also rans and King and this board give not one fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Gandhi1872 said: But things you think are blatant is a subjective opinion. The way you think your opinion is right that other person probably believes their opinion is just as correct. You're right there's more to it than signing players. What specifically are the things he's doing wrong that people are ignoring? Of course but I'm not telling anyone to waken up over a simple difference of opinion - that's why what you are saying is wrong. It's a lot more serious than a simple matter of opinion. Something blatant is happening and people can't see it (or maybe they can but are deluding themselves - only they will know) I've mentioned some of the things in the OP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandhi1872 186 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ivybank said: Tonight was a game for experienced players,but no he makes a complete arse of it again,forget there not his players,his tactics are absolute shite The only experienced players on the bench were Halliday, Holt and Waghorn. Halliday and Waghorn have been absolutely slaughtered on here recently so the only one he maybe should've included was Holt but even then he had a poor game on Saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 32 minutes ago, K.A.I said: He needs to earn the leeway. He needs to give us a glimmer of hope. He's not given me one. I listed instances in the OP of things he's doing wrong which are nothing to do with the players Warburton left him so he's not got that excuse but they examples always get ignored. I agreed he has questions to answer, you also never looked at the results he has got us. Ive simply said right from the off he needs a season with the players he wants and them I'll judge him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Blue Avenger said: It's not PC's fault he is here with a squad full of dross. The board picked him and that is where the big picture in our future lies. Everything else is a distraction. Everything this board and particularly king has touched has turned to shit. If we are shit off the park, you cannot expect to be anything other than shit on it. I fully expect more disapointment next season as the funds are not there to challenge the scum and so it will remain whilst this board remain in power. Jose or Pep G couldn't do anythong with this lot. In fact they would refuse to work with them and walk away laughing. Whilst this board remain, our glory days will not be coming back. We will remain also rans and King and this board give not one fuck. I acknowledged that right off the bat in my OP. But the manager has to take responsibility too. He's got to. It's going to get like the Warburton mess where Pedro and his failings takes the heat off the board and the board and their failings takes the heat off Pedro. It's a great set-up for them all and in the meantime your average fan with a brain-cell starts to think that if the scummy cunts in blazers finally stump up the cash we need - do we even trust Pedro with it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, K.A.I said: Of course but I'm not telling anyone to waken up over a simple difference of opinion - that's why what you are saying is wrong. It's a lot more serious than a simple matter of opinion. Something blatant is happening and people can't see it (or maybe they can but are deluding themselves - only they will know) I've mentioned some of the things in the OP. What is blatant is by this board. PC is but just another pawn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: I agreed he has questions to answer, you also never looked at the results he has got us. Ive simply said right from the off he needs a season with the players he wants and them I'll judge him. Results he's got us? you being serious? ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Blue Avenger said: What is blatant is by this board. PC is but just another pawn. Again, I said that clearly in my OP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, K.A.I said: Results he's got us? you being serious? ... So if it goes wrong it's his fault but if it goes right he doesn't get praise? Thats a slightly one sided view to say the least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam1872 251 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Every single game under Pedro we have been dug shite for 45 mins at least Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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