RDFM 3,809 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Not a big believer in blind faith, he needs to actually show something which suggests he deserves backing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 981 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 For the sake of the club i can only hope he suceeds but he doesnt impress me in any way more bullshitter than bullfighter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,994 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Nothing more patronising than someone telling everyone else to "back the manager" or "back the players" when its consistently the team and manager that are fucking shite and the ones not doing their jobs. Pedro has a lot to do to earn my respect at this point. He had us tanked at home to the taigs, lost a home record against the sheep that was around longer than I have been alive and he got us knocked out of Europe by a team of part timers. Spare me the pish about the European game coming too early too btw, they were a fucking pub team and my local amateur team would have had a better go beating them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Just now, .Williamson. said: Nothing more patronising than someone telling everyone else to "back the manager" or "back the players" when its consistently the team and manager that are fucking shite and the ones not doing their jobs. Pedro has a lot to do to earn my respect at this point. He had us tanked at home to the taigs, lost a home record against the sheep that was around longer than I have been alive and he got us knocked out of Europe by a team of part timers. Spare me the pish about the European game coming to early too btw, they were a fucking pub team and my local amateur team would have had a better go beating them I apologise! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,994 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Turnberry18 said: I apologise! I just get wound up far more easily than normal lately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, eejay the dj said: If Walter miraculously took over again .Just till be found our feet .I would love it .Not going to lie but it's pie in the sky I know Yes mate, i would love it aswell, but the man deserves his retirement and we need to move on. Convinced he masterminded our point we got at the piggery in unlikely circumstances last season, he was the man who advised Murty imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Lloyd72 said: I will agree with you if that "B" turns into an "S" Pedro also talks some amount of BS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,364 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, GersInCanada said: Win the first 3 games and all will be forgiven. I doubt think he is anything like as bad a manager as some on here make out. He still has my support and will keep it until he is able to play his own starting XI on a regular basis. No it won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 If he can get the team playing well and winning then everyone will be right behind him. I don't think any fan wants him to fail, I think we're all just a bit worried about him as we've not seen enough to suggest he'll do well here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Nothing more patronising than someone telling everyone else to "back the manager" or "back the players" when its consistently the team and manager that are fucking shite and the ones not doing their jobs. Pedro has a lot to do to earn my respect at this point. He had us tanked at home to the taigs, lost a home record against the sheep that was around longer than I have been alive and he got us knocked out of Europe by a team of part timers. Spare me the pish about the European game coming too early too btw, they were a fucking pub team and my local amateur team would have had a better go beating them Good post Williamson . Hope that isn't too patronising Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, .Williamson. said: I just get wound up far more easily than normal lately. I don't believe you ever get wound up! I agree about the European game btw. I just hope make something of this team; he has some task on his hands after his record so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam1872 251 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He needs to earn our support. You do that by delivering something of note on the park, both in terms of winning but also in terms of pride and passion and drive. He's provided lacklustre efforts on all fronts, so folk arent blindly backing him. The period for blind optimism has passed., its gone. Its in the baggage hold of the flight home from Luxembourg. I agree we need to encourage him and players though but I think its unreasonable to suggest we all need to ignore his apparent limitations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,983 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 43 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: A packed stadium doesn't, on its own, prove the backing of the manager; a manager can be present in a full stadium and everyone calling for his head. The responsibility to bring success to the club is his and his alone, and he will stand or fall on that, but the fans can play a part in giving him a chance, in the context of having the players that he has signed playing after a few weeks pre-season etc. You clearly think it is a question of us backing him, but like it or not this club needs this manager to succeed, because the alternative is that within a short period we could be looking for another manager, and a lot of his signings wondering where they stand, when they are already trying to adjust to playing for us. In that respect, we do have a part to play. Surely It's up to Pedro to stop this from happening then mate? My statement on packed stadiums means that initially financially the manager has been fully backed with funds via the support to produce a winning team of players that he has chosen .... to produce the goods ... if that is not classed as playing a part then nothing I say will convince you otherwise. And yes I am aware of the fallout that is capable of happening if he is sacked ... that will again only happen if he does not succeed ... and that is where PC has to step up to the plate and prove to all the support he is the man to take us forward. As far as your assumption that we need him to succeed will have really nothing to do with the support getting behind him ... to me it is clearly obvious that only if he does succeed will that happen .... not the other way round. If he does not show signs of doing this sooner rather than later ... fired he will be and deservedly so ... no longer must we reward failure with unreserved loyalty from people in charge who do not have the wherewithal to stop the rot and move us forward ... PC is the one who has to play his part ... the support have every right to criticise and complain about him when this is not evident. It's entirely on his shoulders now mate .... we've had better managers than him who have been sacked for less or had to make way for us to progress. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Just now, Bobby Hume said: Surely It's up to Pedro to stop this from happening then mate? My statement on packed stadiums means that initially financially the manager has been fully backed with funds via the support to produce a winning team of players that he has chosen .... to produce the goods ... if that is not classed as playing a part then nothing I say will convince you otherwise. And yes I am aware of the fallout that is capable of happening if he is sacked ... that will again only happen if he does not succeed ... and that is where PC has to step up to the plate and prove to all the support he is the man to take us forward. As far as your assumption that we need him to succeed will have really nothing to do with the support getting behind him ... to me it is clearly obvious that only if he does succeed will that happen .... not the other way round. If he does not show signs of doing this sooner rather than later ... fired he will be and deservedly so ... no longer must we reward failure with unreserved loyalty from people in charge who do not have the wherewithal to stop the rot and move us forward ... PC is the one who has to play his part ... the support have every right to criticise and complain about him when this is not evident. It's entirely on his shoulders now mate .... we've had better managers than him who have been sacked for less or had to make way for us to progress. Great post, and I can't disagree with one word of it. I hope he proves those of us who doubt him wrong, and going into the season I'm willing to back him. I hope these players can make a difference to the results, and if he can't the best out of them then he won't last long, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 12,983 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Turnberry18 said: Great post, and I can't disagree with one word of it. I hope he proves those of us who doubt him wrong, and going into the season I'm willing to back him. I hope these players can make a difference to the results, and if he can't the best out of them then he won't last long, Although we can all get excited and say things in the heat of the moment mate ... something that happens after every defeat mostly ... I doubt anyone wants to see anyone who takes the mantle of The Rangers manager fail ... but as said by a few above also .... it seems it is not a given that undying blind faith will be a fallback to rely on if things go pear shaped. I can't wait for the season to start in earnest on the 6th of August ... and like yourself .... wish PC and his group of players all the best and hope we become a force to be proud of again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears 792 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Calling for his head before he's had a few games with his full squad is never going to help anyone get the job done right. Or help us find a replacement who thinks he'll be given a chance to succeed either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, William Scott said: He's not my cup of tea but if he can turn it around then I'm sure the support will get behind him. He's no Dar Jeeling that's for sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 3,986 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Has he not been backed? I think we back whoever the manager is! The issue is he has given us 2 of the worst results in our history and led a team that lost a 25 year record. He is being backed but people aren't impressed with what he's given us so far. If he turns it around I don't think any of the people who have lost faith would be devastated because if Pedro does well Rangers do well. Some of us just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong about Pedro as I'm sure many others hope as well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbm26896 995 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Good idea But it just won't happen on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I'll back him when he deserves my backing. two of the worst defeats in our history under him and a 26 year undefeated record throwing away in the blink of an eye. He deserves every bit of criticism coming his way right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I'll back him when he's earned it. Something tells me he'll be gone long before then though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,452 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 No manager at Rangers will ever succeed without the vast majority of the fans backing them. Sadly a large number have already made up their mind and don't want him to get another game. I just get the feeling he could win the first 4 matches and many will still want him gone. Trouble is, we probably aren't going to win our first 4 matches and any dropped points will only increase the clamour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 4 hours ago, BlueThunder said: No manager at Rangers will ever succeed without the vast majority of the fans backing them. Sadly a large number have already made up their mind and don't want him to get another game. I just get the feeling he could win the first 4 matches and many will still want him gone. Trouble is, we probably aren't going to win our first 4 matches and any dropped points will only increase the clamour. A player like Alves could be the catalyst for this team; coupled with the fact that we now have Dorrans and a few others who are better than what we had last season, might mean his record improves. Something tells me that Alves presence will be seen immediately, and might just prove to be the difference to this team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Fans backing the manager, I don't even know what that means, the manager stands and falls on his own ability, he either has it to succeed or not and so far he has shown himself to be short of the mark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, danger ranger said: Fans backing the manager, I don't even know what that means, the manager stands and falls on his own ability, he either has it to succeed or not and so far he has shown himself to be short of the mark. Well, in regards to my OP, it means not writing him off completely, and giving him a chance with most of his signings now going to get a game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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