The Widow's Son 399 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 As a Bear of a certain vintage, I grew up cheering for a Scottish Protestant team starting in the 1950's. Our players were Scottish (for the most part) and Protestant, our club ethics and traditions were so, our fans were and their songs were too. I never, ever want to whine about "the good old days" largely because I've never believed in that mentality but it's harder for any pro sports team in any arena or market to remain unchanged these days. The bottom line, sponsorship, phone number salaries for the players, agents and endorsements have an impact. Our Orange associations are gone, few if any players arrive via the BB, in fact few are even Scottish. Is it possible to explain our heritage to new arrivals from overseas? Will they listen? Do they care? Through the years, I've read many posts suggesting that Scotland has changed and inevitably Rangers must too. Maybe older Bears will see (and feel) more changes than younger Bears. I still cheer for my team and defend them to the hilt even in these foreign parts but our club has changed. What I'm trying to remember is: did my dad and grandfather tell me that the Rangers of the 1950's had changed from his childhood? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,369 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 No. The new club is an all-inclusive club, thankfully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Only one club in Scotland is a religious club and it isn't ours. EDIT - So, no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue93 76 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 your damn right we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,369 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just now, ForeverBlue93 said: your damn right we are. You're. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsLaud 4,184 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 In short, yes we are obvs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 We are known all over the world as a Protestant club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue93 76 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: You're. fanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,227 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, The Widow's Son said: As a Bear of a certain vintage, I grew up cheering for a Scottish Protestant team starting in the 1950's. Our players were Scottish (for the most part) and Protestant, our club ethics and traditions were so, our fans were and their songs were too. I never, ever want to whine about "the good old days" largely because I've never believed in that mentality but it's harder for any pro sports team in any arena or market to remain unchanged these days. The bottom line, sponsorship, phone number salaries for the players, agents and endorsements have an impact. Our Orange associations are gone, few if any players arrive via the BB, in fact few are even Scottish. Is it possible to explain our heritage to new arrivals from overseas? Will they listen? Do they care? Through the years, I've read many posts suggesting that Scotland has changed and inevitably Rangers must too. Maybe older Bears will see (and feel) more changes than younger Bears. I still cheer for my team and defend them to the hilt even in these foreign parts but our club has changed. What I'm trying to remember is: did my dad and grandfather tell me that the Rangers of the 1950's had changed from his childhood? So was our country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 We are still a Scottish club, and while our club is built on good Scottish Protestant values and our support largely comes from that community, we have never been a club exclusively for Protestants. The beggars brought religion into football in Glasgow not us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 1,114 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, minstral said: We are known all over the world as a Protestant club. That's often the first thing trotted out when describing Rangers in foreign press, as it often comes in the context of an old firm game and they nearly always explain the rivalry in terms of Protestant Rangers v Catholic Celtic. It's actually lazy C&P journalism and the reality is somewhat diluted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, ForeverBlue93 said: your damn right we are. Pathetic. Move with the times ffs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,635 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Scotland is no longer a Protestant country, a recent survey showed the major secular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
one55 1,510 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 we are a scottish club with a proud protestant history. my dad was protestant and he brought me up as protestant too. he and his side of the family are all very proud protestants and rangers fans. i personally am not religious but love this club and respect its history. we should be proud of our club but i think we should be welcoming to everyone no matter age, sex, race, religion or political views. i know that'll get some people worked up and no doubt be told to stay away from ibrox or that i'd better supporting celtic and i totally understand why people think like that but that's just my opinion and i don't care if you disagree with it. as long as we turn up to support the team on the pitch then i don't care who sits beside me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue93 76 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Soprano said: Pathetic. Move with the times ffs. How is it pathetic? Of course we are a Scottish Protestant club, this does not mean we can't be accepting of others, small minded opinions like that make it sound like we should be ashamed of what we are. PATHETIC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, ForeverBlue93 said: How is it pathetic? Of course we are a Scottish Protestant club, this does not mean we can't be accepting of others, small minded opinions like that make it sound like we should be ashamed of what we are. PATHETIC. We are not a Protestant club, that outdated outlook was left with the old club. We are now thankfully multicultural and open to all. PATHETIC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDYT2 96 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 This old club you speak off ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 minute ago, MDYT2 said: This old club you speak off ? What of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,369 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 minute ago, MDYT2 said: This old club you speak off ? Rangers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDYT2 96 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just now, Mr Soprano said: What of it? Elaborate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Too many of our support and people connected with us are ashamed of our past. Only one club in this country should be ashamed of their past. yes we are a Protestant club and that should never change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, MDYT2 said: Elaborate The outdated outlook died with the old club. That's it really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,140 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: No. The new club is an all-inclusive club, thankfully. Your sarcasm is getting to predictable ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDYT2 96 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just now, Mr Soprano said: The outdated outlook died with the old club. That's it really? Don't know what club you support then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, The Widow's Son said: As a Bear of a certain vintage, I grew up cheering for a Scottish Protestant team starting in the 1950's. Our players were Scottish (for the most part) and Protestant, our club ethics and traditions were so, our fans were and their songs were too. I never, ever want to whine about "the good old days" largely because I've never believed in that mentality but it's harder for any pro sports team in any arena or market to remain unchanged these days. The bottom line, sponsorship, phone number salaries for the players, agents and endorsements have an impact. Our Orange associations are gone, few if any players arrive via the BB, in fact few are even Scottish. Is it possible to explain our heritage to new arrivals from overseas? Will they listen? Do they care? Through the years, I've read many posts suggesting that Scotland has changed and inevitably Rangers must too. Maybe older Bears will see (and feel) more changes than younger Bears. I still cheer for my team and defend them to the hilt even in these foreign parts but our club has changed. What I'm trying to remember is: did my dad and grandfather tell me that the Rangers of the 1950's had changed from his childhood? As a Bluenose, Protestant, Presbyterian child, boy and man, I originally started watching The Rangers mid 1960's and have followed them whenever possible - travelling across a few times per season when I can. I spend most of my life in Cape Town now - and I still have, as my wife, kids and most of my friends have - blue blooded Rangers supporter and shall forever be. if Rangers change, further then I'll still support them, but still keep my pre-60s/70s ethic. By the way, even my pool table is blue and you'll never find anything green anywhere near my hoose - even playing golf I aim for the bunkers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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